Halftime Show

[Searc]

Someone asked this previously but didn’t get a response. How many of you calling these ladies “classless” and that felt the need to shield your children from watching felt the same way about Michael Jackson’s performance (and not getting into the whole accusation thing here, just his performance).

His Super Bowl performance has been called one of the greatest ever. Did anyone count how many times he grabbed his crotch? Or is that just reserved for women?

Are you referring to the Super Bowl in 1993? LOL

 

[kiddo76]

Are you referring to the Super Bowl in 1993? LOL

Yes, MJ revolutionolized and set the standard for the modern SB halftime show. With lots and lots of actual crotch grabbing. Before that, it was all Up With People and marching bands.

 

[Hikergirl]

for one, the performers aren't responsible for the work of the cameramen.

for another, you may not have ever attended a ballroom competition or exhibition. Some of the latin dances are very suggestive by your average american standard. And yet those are acceptable.

With a choreographed routine that is being filmed, is this statement accurate?
If it is then it sure is amazing the shots camerapersons get. They don't get enough credit for their skill at being at the exact right place at the exact right time to capture them.

 

[luvsJack]

Are you referring to the Super Bowl in 1993? LOL

Yes but honestly any MJ performance, anywhere.

Even if someone didn't see it in 93, they can watch it over and over again. It was pretty amazing even 27 years later.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, MJ revolutionolized and set the standard for the modern SB halftime show. With lots and lots of actual crotch grabbing. Before that, it was all Up With People and marching bands.

I kinda don't want to see crotch grabbing anywhere but I grew up on MTV (back when they actually had music videos) and VH1 (when they had music videos) so it's not really pearl clutching to me. I didn't think this half-time show was pearl clutching either but I do get how the poles created controversy and I preferred Shakira over JLO's performance. I thought JLO was forcing it too much

That said there are a lot of moments over time that I can remember from half-times or award ceremonies (like the VMAs with Miley and Robin that just came off very creepy IMO) that I'd rather forget. I think people are talking about this isolated half-time (given that it's a thread) and making leaping assumptions about how people feel about other half-times including double standard talks. I've long since thought it a bit interesting that guys walk around shirtless and it's no biggie but girls doing the same it's a problem but suddenly because I didn't think to talk about Adam Levine's last year performance (which TBH I'm not even sure many people would have thought about it if it weren't for that meme I saw floating around FB before even opening this thread) but because I'm presently talking about this year's I'm branded something.

Eh..people need to tone that part down. I can't think of all the instances out there and when people bring up so many other events it kinda becomes more like a whataboutism. Like "oh you have an issue with this but what about this other thing that isn't what we're talking about but I'm going to use it to show you're this and that kind of person".

And for MJ I was not even 5 at the time. I can look at YouTube videos of it but forgive me if I wasn't really cognisant to be shocked or not shocked about it lol.

 

[kiddo76]

I bring up MJ's halftime more in response to those who say J Lo's performance was not appropriate for a SB halftime show. It makes me wonder, have these people not watched a SB halftime show during the past 25+ years?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I bring up MJ's halftime more in response to those who say J Lo's performance was not appropriate for a SB halftime show. It makes me wonder, have these people not watched a SB halftime show during the past 25+ years?

Well people have differing things that make it inappropriate to them right?

Even though it's my own 'whataboutism' I think of PDA for instance. I know a few couples who holding hands is way too intimate to do so in public..it's indecent to them and PDA that they are not comfortable with nor do they deem it appropriate to engage in. But then there's other people who holding hands, hugging, peck on the cheek or lips is no biggie..in fact it's just normal to them (that would include my husband and I in that mix), then there's people who full on making out and what one would probably say is groping is no biggie.

And sometimes it's a situational thing so some may say "hey it's not as big of a deal what JLO did if it weren't at the half-time show and instead at a different venue" If that's the way they feel then that's the way they feel. Purely an opinion on my part but I think Howard Stern and his uhm well chaps thing is far more appropriate for MTV than it would be at the half-time show and while it may have still gotten people talking the whole Janet Jackson thing probably wouldn't have been as big of a deal had it happened on MTV rather than being on prime time super bowl event despite the event being the exact same thing happening.

I don't think people have to think about all the previous half-time shows to be able to have an issue with this one though. It may simply be the one they remember the most because well it just happened a few weeks ago. Even for me sometimes we watch the super bowl sometimes we don't, sometimes we tune in only for the half-time show and sometimes we don't.

 

[luvsJack]

So, do tell, which men in entertainment have been criticized for their performance in the same way as these women?

Even with the Robin Thicke and Miley performance, Miley held most of the criticism.

That is what makes it a double standard. Not because someone has an opinion of what they do or don't like.

And talk about an over used word! "Whataboutitism". Good grief. Its a comparison. MJ grabbed his crotch all the time. In every performance. And actual grab. What JLO did was not a grab. And the rest of that comparison, is simply that 27 years ago it wasn't that big of a deal from a man, now a woman does something remotely similar and everybody loses their minds.

Its perfectly ok to COMPARE one situation to another and to dismiss anyone's opinion or statement because one wants to yell "whataboutitism" is ridiculous.

 

[kiddo76]

So, do tell, which men in entertainment have been criticized for their performance in the same way as these women?

Even with the Robin Thicke and Miley performance, Miley held most of the criticism.

That is what makes it a double standard. Not because someone has an opinion of what they do or don't like.

Same with Justin/Janet. Janet got most of the blame. Anyone who believes that Justin wasn't aware of what was going to happen and/or that it was really a "wardrobe malfunction" is extremely naive.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So, do tell, which men in entertainment have been criticized for their performance in the same way as these women?

Even with the Robin Thicke and Miley performance, Miley held most of the criticism.

That is what makes it a double standard. Not because someone has an opinion of what they do or don't like.

And talk about an over used word! "Whataboutitism". Good grief. Its a comparison. MJ grabbed his crotch all the time. In every performance. And actual grab. What JLO did was not a grab. And the rest of that comparison, is simply that 27 years ago it wasn't that big of a deal from a man, now a woman does something remotely similar and everybody loses their minds.

Its perfectly ok to COMPARE one situation to another and to dismiss anyone's opinion or statement because one wants to yell "whataboutitism" is ridiculous.

lol okie dokie. You've shown you don't really want to discuss things so I'm not going to respond to you whatsoever anymore on this thread so don't look for a response. Have at your assumptions it's all good by me.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Same with Justin/Janet. Janet got most of the blame. Anyone who believes that Justin wasn't aware of what was going to happen and/or that it was really a "wardrobe malfunction" is extremely naive.

I'm not held responsible by what others feel. The thing is you get isolated vacuum style discussions. IMO it's not fair to make assumptions about posters on this thread whilst using generalized viewpoint on it. That's a terrible way to foster conversations if you're truly interested in someone's opinion.

Who says that a poster who has an issue with this year's half-time show won't have also had an issue and placed blame also on Justin? Are they supposed to be required to recall and discuss every incident in the past just to prove a point? Or that both Robin and Miley were creepy in their performances (which I personally already said was the case for me). People are also capable of having an issue with one thing but not an issue with another.

 

[kiddo76]

It just shows a pattern of men getting a pass and women getting sl.. shamed for the same behavior.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It just shows a pattern of men getting a pass and women getting sl.. shamed for the same behavior.

Is that fair to assign that to posters on this thread without knowing if that's their viewpoint or not? If the talks were more of a generalized discussion it would be different but many many comments were aimed at particular posters.

And for that point it's not shaming simply by saying you don't think xyz was appropriate at the half-time show. You can disagree with an outfit or with hand motions or the venue in which it was done in without going after someone's personal life and their sexuality within that.

 

[mnrose]

It just shows a pattern of men getting a pass and women getting sl.. shamed for the same behavior.

That's because women are "supposed" to be virginal in public, but turn into hookers and porn stars in the bedroom. It's ridiculous.

 

[kiddo76]

Is that fair to assign that to posters on this thread without knowing if that's their viewpoint or not? If the talks were more of a generalized discussion it would be different but many many comments were aimed at particular posters.

And for that point it's not shaming simply by saying you don't think xyz was appropriate at the half-time show. You can disagree with an outfit or with hand motions or the venue in which it was done in without going after someone's personal life and their sexuality within that.

Well, one poster specifically just said that it's ok men to use foul language, but a woman who does is classless. It's the same issue...women being held to different "appropriate" standards than men. Which is bull.

 

[luvsJack]

lol okie dokie. You've shown you don't really want to discuss things so I'm not going to respond to you whatsoever anymore on this thread so don't look for a response. Have at your assumptions it's all good by me.

You used the word as though no one should be able to compare two situations. That isn't what it means. To question your use of a word doesn't mean anyone doesn't want to discuss something.

I am not assuming anything except perhaps that people mean what they say.

Everyone has been ASKED if they had an issue with other performances and no one will answer the question.

Besides, you do understand that a lot of what is being said is meaning more than just this one thread?? There are people everywhere that had an issue with the performance not just here on the DIS and have said pretty much the same things that were said here. "those that have a problem with. . ." can mean more than the handful of posters here on this thread.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, one poster specifically just said that it's ok men to use foul language, but a woman who does is classless. It's the same issue...women being held to different "appropriate" standards than men. Which is bull.

That poster has had a history of such types of comments so I take that with a grain of salt

There are far more even thinkers out there than there are for people on the extremes at least the even thinkers are the ones I'm around far more often.

 

[Wendy31]

I think people bring up previous Super Bowl halftime performances to demonstrate that Shakira’s & J Lo’s halftime performance wasn’t anything unusual or shocking.

I said waaaaaaay earlier on this thread that years ago, DH was the youth group director at our church, &, every year, we would have a Super Bowl party. In fact, we were having a party the night of Janet Jackson’s “wardrobe malfunction.”

However, we didn’t see it live, since, 16 years ago, we knew that we probably should turn off the TV during the Super Bowl halftime show while we had youth group teenagers in our house... because, even then, however many years ago, we knew we didn’t want to be responsible/accountable if something less than ”family-wholesome” was shown during the performance while we were in charge of other people’s children.

This particular show was not shocking or groundbreaking in its “riskiness” for anyone that has even been halfway tuned into prior Super Bowl halftime shows.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think people bring up previous Super Bowl halftime performances to demonstrate that Shakira’s & J Lo’s halftime performance wasn’t anything unusual or shocking.

Agreed but it can still be seen as shocking to someone else and people should still feel comfortable expressing that without being essentially told "haven't you been paying attention".

 

[Turn the Page]

Well people have differing things that make it inappropriate to them right?

Even though it's my own 'whataboutism' I think of PDA for instance. I know a few couples who holding hands is way too intimate to do so in public..it's indecent to them and PDA that they are not comfortable with nor do they deem it appropriate to engage in. But then there's other people who holding hands, hugging, peck on the cheek or lips is no biggie..in fact it's just normal to them (that would include my husband and I in that mix), then there's people who full on making out and what one would probably say is groping is no biggie.

And sometimes it's a situational thing so some may say "hey it's not as big of a deal what JLO did if it weren't at the half-time show and instead at a different venue" If that's the way they feel then that's the way they feel. Purely an opinion on my part but I think Howard Stern and his uhm well chaps thing is far more appropriate for MTV than it would be at the half-time show and while it may have still gotten people talking the whole Janet Jackson thing probably wouldn't have been as big of a deal had it happened on MTV rather than being on prime time super bowl event despite the event being the exact same thing happening.

I don't think people have to think about all the previous half-time shows to be able to have an issue with this one though. It may simply be the one they remember the most because well it just happened a few weeks ago. Even for me sometimes we watch the super bowl sometimes we don't, sometimes we tune in only for the half-time show and sometimes we don't.

Not to mention your comfort level changes over time. When the oft cited MJ halftime show occurred I was 9. I'm sure I didn't watch it and wouldn't have cared what he did if I had. But now I'm an adult with 3 kids, two of whom are girls that are starting to form a picture of who they are and what their moral code is. For that reason alone I can have found MJ's performance acceptable at the time while taking umbrage at Jlo's nearly 30 years later without being sexist.