Gun Toting Disney employee suspended

Should Disney employees with concealed-weapons permits be allowed to keep their guns in their cars while at work?

Yes. All other employees are able to. (12939 responses)

80.7%

No. It's too dangerous for visitors. (2962 responses)

18.5%

Not sure (141 responses)

0.9%
I love the "Not sure" people. No matter WHAT question you ask, there will always be a small percentage of the population that says, "Uhhh, I dunno."

"Yes" or "No", people. It's isn't a hard question.

I vote "Yes" they should be allowed to carry their guns.

You never know when a gun will come in handy. A guy went into a McDonalds and shot people. That guy in Russia went into a school and shot up a bunch of little kids.

You just never know when it might be nice to have a gun around...unless it could never happen to you, of course.
 
I love the "Not sure" people. No matter WHAT question you ask, there will always be a small percentage of the population that says, "Uhhh, I dunno."

"Yes" or "No", people. It's isn't a hard question.

I vote "Yes" they should be allowed to carry their guns.

You never know when a gun will come in handy. A guy went into a McDonalds and shot people. That guy in Russia went into a school and shot up a bunch of little kids.

You just never know when it might be nice to have a gun around...unless it could never happen to you, of course.



i have no problem with people carrying guns.....where i live, lots of people carry guns, both concealed and not...
but there are very strict licensing laws here (e.g., you have to pass a shooting test every year)...

my problem is with the idea that you can lock a gun in the car safely..
that is just ridiculous...
 
I can't believe that so many people are willing to overlook the fact that we are talking about private property. I don’t have a problem with any law abiding citizen carrying a weapon, but I can tell you that you can’t bring it on my land. No matter how ridiculous the rule might be, it should be Disney’s (or any other corporation’s) right to bar you from bringing a gun on property. They own it. Should I be required to allow you into my house carrying a gun?

Disneyholic, I am confused as to why you think that the notion of safe transport is ridiculous. Seems to me that stored in the trunk, unloaded, in a locked case is just about as safe as you can get. What am I missing?
 

I can't believe that so many people are willing to overlook the fact that we are talking about private property. I don’t have a problem with any law abiding citizen carrying a weapon, but I can tell you that you can’t bring it on my land. No matter how ridiculous the rule might be, it should be Disney’s (or any other corporation’s) right to bar you from bringing a gun on property. They own it. Should I be required to allow you into my house carrying a gun?

Disneyholic, I am confused as to why you think that the notion of safe transport is ridiculous. Seems to me that stored in the trunk, unloaded, in a locked case is just about as safe as you can get. What am I missing?
The car can be stolen. The gun can be stolen. This gun can then be sold to a third party or used to kill a person.

This is the argument that people seem to be using to stop others from having guns in their car.

I carry a gun in the car. I also carry carry scissors, baseball bats, a tire iron and, occasionally, parakeets. And of them could be stolen and used to kill a person (except the birds, they're far too dumb.) Doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to carry them around in my car.

Also, if anyone in a state near Ohio would like 2 parakeets (green and yellow), I would be more than happy to deliver them. Cage, food, fruity treat, gravel, mirrors, toys, swing, bird gym (not kidding), whole bit...for the low, low price of NOTHING. Free birds. Dumb and noisy, but free.
 
Don't fool yourself into thinking that banning guns from WDW property (or anywhere for that matter) will stop one from "road rage taken to a new level" or a disgruntled employee from going beserk. Criminals break the laws no matter what they are (that is why they are criminals).

Oh not fooled at all. Some days it might be nice though :)

Sadly, there are plenty of people out there who do terrible things no matter what we do.

It will be interesting to see how this specific issue with Disney turns out.
 
And that's the bottom line. Disney used a loophole in the law to get around what--like it or not--is currently the law in Florida. Not many other employers in Florida were able to do that. Unless it's Universal, which has suddenly become part of the Orange County School system:)
Disney will be trying to get the entire law thrown out (seems they weren't able to prevent it's passage in the legislature) while some in the legislature may try to close the loophole, which no one really expected would apply to WDW in the first place.
Be interesting to see how it all plays out as the lawyers have at it in court.
 
I can't believe that so many people are willing to overlook the fact that we are talking about private property. I don’t have a problem with any law abiding citizen carrying a weapon, but I can tell you that you can’t bring it on my land. No matter how ridiculous the rule might be, it should be Disney’s (or any other corporation’s) right to bar you from bringing a gun on property. They own it. Should I be required to allow you into my house carrying a gun?

Disneyholic, I am confused as to why you think that the notion of safe transport is ridiculous. Seems to me that stored in the trunk, unloaded, in a locked case is just about as safe as you can get. What am I missing?

the law where i live doesn't even permit a gun to be stored in the house when no one is home...so that a burglar doesn't have access....
i suppose the logic is, if you have a gun, you need to be nearby to supervise it.....after all, they ARE dangerous (i have a semi-automatic handgun and it is very very very very very dangerous)...

a gun locked in a car can also be stolen.....how fun..
 
the law where i live doesn't even permit a gun to be stored in the house when no one is home...so that a burglar doesn't have access....
i suppose the logic is, if you have a gun, you need to be nearby to supervise it.....after all, they ARE dangerous (i have a semi-automatic handgun and it is very very very very very dangerous)...

a gun locked in a car can also be stolen.....how fun..

Where do you live? So instead of leaving it at home you must carry it everywhere? Where do put it when you goto Disney?

Someone else mention not ever having a gun in your car? How do you transport it? What if I am going to the range?

robertgp24, I think the transport rules should be that a person is allowed to transport a gun safely in their car. Lock in a case and in the truck or back compartment. IMHO, making "gun free zone" only tell the bad guys the best place to bring their guns. That said, I still think one should follow the law and breaking it isn't the way to get it fixed.
 
I love the "Not sure" people. No matter WHAT question you ask, there will always be a small percentage of the population that says, "Uhhh, I dunno."

"Yes" or "No", people. It's isn't a hard question.

I vote "Yes" they should be allowed to carry their guns.

You never know when a gun will come in handy. A guy went into a McDonalds and shot people. That guy in Russia went into a school and shot up a bunch of little kids.

You just never know when it might be nice to have a gun around...unless it could never happen to you, of course.

There's a lot of things that "COULD" happen to you. Do you not drive because you "COULD" get hit by a drunk driver? How about not flying because you "COULD" crash? Employees shouldn't need guns. But, I believe tourists should be able to carry them. We are most likely going to be targets of crime, because most tourists have money on them. I own and carry a gun. I just don't bring it to work. But, I did keep it in my car when we drove to WDW last year. But, that's because we had a long drive and did not know what area we would have to stop in. I won't do that again. I'll still travel with it, but will just have to find a temporary place for it in Orlando. I just don't want anyone at WDW with a gun, including me.
 
Oh, good call! Traffic jam got you down? I have a cure for that!

yes, because all us cowboy, hillbilly, gun toten morons like to pull out our guns and shoot our way thru a traffic jam.

Do you really feel that way? Are we not smart enough to use it responsibly?
 
yes, because all us cowboy, hillbilly, gun toten morons like to pull out our guns and shoot our way thru a traffic jam.

Do you really feel that way? Are we not smart enough to use it responsibly?
Sweetie - I wasn't talking about the responsible people. I was talking about this guy (who I just happen to google right now - this was only the first story to pop up)

http://www.miamiherald.com/top_stories/story/593447.htm...
Still being pummeled after he ran back to his van, Thomas Thompson
got his gun and shot the other driver. Authorities, weighing his action,
haven't charged him with anything yet.

David Haroldo Figueroa was so enraged over a minor fender bender, Broward sheriff's deputies say, that he pummeled the other driver and then attempted to yank the man out of his van when he tried to drive away.

Thomas Warren Thompson, 50, answered fists with gunfire, BSO said, blasting Figueroa with a gun he had stashed in the van.

Figueroa, 28, died at a nearby hospital. Thompson's fate is less certain.

The Fort Lauderdale man was taken to the BSO Public Safety Building, where detectives questioned him for some time -- but did not immediately charge him with a crime.

''Homicide detectives recognize that this incident has elements pertaining to self-defense,'' BSO said in a press release.

The Broward state attorney's office will give the case a full legal review and consider charges.

Here's what happened, according to BSO.

Some time after 11 a.m. Thursday, Figueroa -- behind the wheel of a gold Chrysler 300 -- rear-ended Thompson's white van on Dixie Highway, somewhere between East Oakland Park Boulevard and Northeast 34th Court.

Thompson hopped out of the van and went to speak with Figueroa, who was furious over a ''scratch'' on his Chrysler, and began throwing haymakers at Thompson, who suffered bruises from the scrum.

That's when Thompson ran back to his van, with Figueroa, of Lauderdale Lakes, on his tail.

The two struggled inside the vehicle, which is where Thompson opened fire. BSO did not reveal where he was hit or how many times.

Paul Remy, 48, of Lauderhill, was working security at a nearby jewelry store when he heard a bang, looked out the window and saw traffic backed up. People started getting out of their cars.

Remy went outside to take a look. There he found Figueroa flat on the ground. And the apparent shooter calmly standing by.

''It's pretty sad,'' Remy said.

``I was in an accident a couple of months ago and this didn't happen. I think it is ridiculous that people have so much anger in them.''

Both men have arrest records, although Figueroa's arrests were more frequent and for more violent crimes.

In Maryland, he faced criminal charges in four counties over a five-year stretch. They included first-degree assault, second-degree assault, reckless endangerment, concealing a deadly weapon and attempted first-degree murder.

After the homicide arrest, he ultimately pleaded guilty to second-degree assault and was sentenced to a year in jail. However, he was transferred to a work-release center after a couple of months behind bars, Maryland records indicate.

Thompson's run-ins with the law over the last three decades usually involved drugs and prostitution. Twenty-eight years ago, in 1980, he faced four felony charges -- including firing a weapon into an occupied building -- but was not convicted of any of them.

He started an alarm company in 2004, and has had no brushes with the law since.

However, Rafiqul Haque has noticed a change in Thompson in recent months. Haque owns USA Grocers, a convenience store adjacent to Thompson's North Dixie Highway home. Once friendly and outgoing, Thompson now let the bushes lining his yard grow high and has an electric gate blocking his driveway.

''He's a very funny character,'' Haque said. ``I'm not surprised he was involved in something like this.''​
 
You should read american rifleman. Great stories every month about how many lives have been saved due to responsible gun ownership. That story says nothing but what an irresponsible and law breaking citizen might do. If he had a record then he did not have permit to carry a gun in his car. If he had been carrying it legally it would have been locked and unloaded in the back. I doubt he could have gotten to it and loaded it in time to use it in this altercation.
 
Oh, good call! Traffic jam got you down? I have a cure for that!

I didn't mean that & you know it. What if you break down on the way home? What if you stop off at a convenience store & a robbery is taking place? It's about protection. If the law-abiding public is armed, the bad guys have less of an advantage.
 
Where do you live? So instead of leaving it at home you must carry it everywhere? Where do put it when you goto Disney?

Someone else mention not ever having a gun in your car? How do you transport it? What if I am going to the range?

robertgp24, I think the transport rules should be that a person is allowed to transport a gun safely in their car. Lock in a case and in the truck or back compartment. IMHO, making "gun free zone" only tell the bad guys the best place to bring their guns. That said, I still think one should follow the law and breaking it isn't the way to get it fixed.

i have no problem with the gun in the car, if the person is in there with it...
i have a problem with the gun locked in the car when no one else is around..

when we're in disney, the gun is stored in a place that has a license to store guns for people....the place we go is a sporting goods store that has a license to store guns (in their special safe)...

if we were to go on vacation and leave the gun in the house (even double locked as it is), we would be violating the law....
we actually carry proof that it's been stored when we leave the country....

i live in israel......to keep your gun license, you have to pass a test every year.....the test includes things like being able to take the gun apart and put it back together, in addition to shooting....but before the test, you have to take a refresher course.....so that's good....so even if you don't go to practice during the year, once a year i have to take a refresher course, practice and then pass a test......it's a pretty good system....

to get the gun license in the first place you have to take a longer course, and then pass a test......the licenses are from the ministry of the interior (not sure what the equivalent would be in the states - the interior ministry is also responsible for the police and also things like passports and the like)...
 
i have no problem with the gun in the car, if the person is in there with it...
i have a problem with the gun locked in the car when no one else is around..

when we're in disney, the gun is stored in a place that has a license to store guns for people....the place we go is a sporting goods store that has a license to store guns (in their special safe)...

if we were to go on vacation and leave the gun in the house (even double locked as it is), we would be violating the law....
we actually carry proof that it's been stored when we leave the country....

i live in israel......to keep your gun license, you have to pass a test every year.....the test includes things like being able to take the gun apart and put it back together, in addition to shooting....but before the test, you have to take a refresher course.....so that's good....so even if you don't go to practice during the year, once a year i have to take a refresher course, practice and then pass a test......it's a pretty good system....

to get the gun license in the first place you have to take a longer course, and then pass a test......the licenses are from the ministry of the interior (not sure what the equivalent would be in the states - the interior ministry is also responsible for the police and also things like passports and the like)...

Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea you lived in Israel and it's very interesting to hear how things are done there. I like the idea of taking a course to get your license and a test and a refresher course for your renewal. I doubt that would ever happen here, but it sounds like a pretty good system like you said.
 
Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea you lived in Israel and it's very interesting to hear how things are done there. I like the idea of taking a course to get your license and a test and a refresher course for your renewal. I doubt that would ever happen here, but it sounds like a pretty good system like you said.

:) i'm originally from Michigan....not that far from you i guess....
the first time i walked into the Outdoor World store (at Great Lakes Crossing in Auburn HIlls MIchigan) i couldn't believe it.....the gun section is GIGANTIC....just the ammunition section was as big as some stores...
and you can just buy those guns and walk right out of there....the rifles i mean....i don't know about the handguns, but who needs a handgun when there's as much fire power as you can buy over the counter.....no checks,...no tests....nothing.....pay your money and take your gun......pretty scary......


i'm curious.....is this new florida law unusual? are there any other states with similar laws?
 
Finally got to listen to yesterdays podcast....as Pete kept talking/ranting, I kept thinking what a great argument he was making FOR the Florida law. After hearing his rant I was convinced Disney should back down. I think I had better re-listen....:confused3
 
Sweetie - I wasn't talking about the responsible people. I was talking about this guy (who I just happen to google right now - this was only the first story to pop up)

http://www.miamiherald.com/top_stories/story/593447.htm...
Still being pummeled after he ran back to his van, Thomas Thompson
got his gun and shot the other driver. Authorities, weighing his action,
haven't charged him with anything yet.

David Haroldo Figueroa was so enraged over a minor fender bender, Broward sheriff's deputies say, that he pummeled the other driver and then attempted to yank the man out of his van when he tried to drive away.

Thomas Warren Thompson, 50, answered fists with gunfire, BSO said, blasting Figueroa with a gun he had stashed in the van.

Figueroa, 28, died at a nearby hospital. Thompson's fate is less certain.

The Fort Lauderdale man was taken to the BSO Public Safety Building, where detectives questioned him for some time -- but did not immediately charge him with a crime.

''Homicide detectives recognize that this incident has elements pertaining to self-defense,'' BSO said in a press release.

The Broward state attorney's office will give the case a full legal review and consider charges.

Here's what happened, according to BSO.

Some time after 11 a.m. Thursday, Figueroa -- behind the wheel of a gold Chrysler 300 -- rear-ended Thompson's white van on Dixie Highway, somewhere between East Oakland Park Boulevard and Northeast 34th Court.

Thompson hopped out of the van and went to speak with Figueroa, who was furious over a ''scratch'' on his Chrysler, and began throwing haymakers at Thompson, who suffered bruises from the scrum.

That's when Thompson ran back to his van, with Figueroa, of Lauderdale Lakes, on his tail.

The two struggled inside the vehicle, which is where Thompson opened fire. BSO did not reveal where he was hit or how many times.

Paul Remy, 48, of Lauderhill, was working security at a nearby jewelry store when he heard a bang, looked out the window and saw traffic backed up. People started getting out of their cars.

Remy went outside to take a look. There he found Figueroa flat on the ground. And the apparent shooter calmly standing by.

''It's pretty sad,'' Remy said.

``I was in an accident a couple of months ago and this didn't happen. I think it is ridiculous that people have so much anger in them.''

Both men have arrest records, although Figueroa's arrests were more frequent and for more violent crimes.

In Maryland, he faced criminal charges in four counties over a five-year stretch. They included first-degree assault, second-degree assault, reckless endangerment, concealing a deadly weapon and attempted first-degree murder.

After the homicide arrest, he ultimately pleaded guilty to second-degree assault and was sentenced to a year in jail. However, he was transferred to a work-release center after a couple of months behind bars, Maryland records indicate.

Thompson's run-ins with the law over the last three decades usually involved drugs and prostitution. Twenty-eight years ago, in 1980, he faced four felony charges -- including firing a weapon into an occupied building -- but was not convicted of any of them.

He started an alarm company in 2004, and has had no brushes with the law since.

However, Rafiqul Haque has noticed a change in Thompson in recent months. Haque owns USA Grocers, a convenience store adjacent to Thompson's North Dixie Highway home. Once friendly and outgoing, Thompson now let the bushes lining his yard grow high and has an electric gate blocking his driveway.

''He's a very funny character,'' Haque said. ``I'm not surprised he was involved in something like this.''​


Just out of curiousity, did you post this as a pro-Disney (no guns in cars) stance or Anti-Disney (go ahead and carry your gun and leave it in your car) stance....maybe I am having a hard time seeing it:confused3 I bet you can google many stories on both sides of the argument, maybe some clearer than this one.....I am getting from this story that Thompson is going a bit crazy and may just have been carrying a gun in his car regardless of any laws/policy. Those who have tendencies to this behavior (aka criminals) will do whatever they want regardless.of what laws or work policies are out there. Personally, I find this whole discussion rather interesting. No good answer.
 














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