Guests behaving badly

[Donna]

When these pushy people do this, they don't realize they're missing one of the truly magical times in the parks, for example-magic kingdom - at closing time. Even if you just sit down and relax and people watch for 30 minutes or so, you get to see the castle change colors and experience "the kiss goodnight" closing of the park and walk down an empty main street and usually have an empty bus or monorail. It's something not to be missed!

 

[lovethecastle]

I've never heard of the 'kiss goodnight'. What is that?

 

[proudmomof4]

My family was at FW 12/17-12/23 and for the most part did not have any problems with rudeness except:

Guests who feel they don't have to wait in line for the bus, when the back doors open for the debarking guests they just "jump" the line and get on the bus through the back door. This one time the bus driver had to load a wheelchair and he politely asked the people who were boarding at the back door to please get out, well this group had a little girl of about 7 years old and the parents kept telling her to stay on the bus while the bus driver was saying please get off the bus. What kind of example does this give that little girl about obeying rules or adults? Oh and when the driver had finished loading the wheelchair the people still boarded through the back door.

The other instance was at the campfire, there was a boy of about 10 or 11 who was lighting sticks on fire and waving them around and then flicking sparks and ashes all around, a CM came up and told him to stop. Well, no sooner did the CM walk away when the boy started doing it again, another boy said "you're gonna get in trouble, she said to stop" and the firestarter said "my dad works here so I can do whatever I want" and he continued to flick sparks and ashes from the campfire towards all the other people. I was sitting there trying to roast a marshmallow and I said to him "excuse me but if I wanted to have ashes all over my marshmallows I would put them in the fire by myself" so he then said to the other boy "this is lame, let's find something else to do". I have to give the other boy credit because he said "no thanks, I'll go back to my parents now".

Okay, that's a little more than my 2 cents, but there you go.

 

[Donna]

I've never heard of the 'kiss goodnight'. What is that?

That is the closing comments over the loudspeaker at MK. The times i've heard it, characters come on and say goodnight (mickey/minnie) and i believe walt says a little thing. It's been a long time since i've stayed that late. It is literally closing down the park. So many people leave after parades that they don't even realize they missed it.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

That is the closing comments over the loudspeaker at MK. The times i've heard it, characters come on and say goodnight (mickey/minnie) and i believe walt says a little thing. It's been a long time since i've stayed that late. It is literally closing down the park. So many people leave after parades that they don't even realize they missed it.

After a day at MK all I can hear is the shower and my pillow calling me.

 

[Swimnoid]

My family was at FW 12/17-12/23 and for the most part did not have any problems with rudeness except:

Guests who feel they don't have to wait in line for the bus, when the back doors open for the debarking guests they just "jump" the line and get on the bus through the back door. This one time the bus driver had to load a wheelchair and he politely asked the people who were boarding at the back door to please get out, well this group had a little girl of about 7 years old and the parents kept telling her to stay on the bus while the bus driver was saying please get off the bus. What kind of example does this give that little girl about obeying rules or adults? Oh and when the driver had finished loading the wheelchair the people still boarded through the back door.


Okay, that's a little more than my 2 cents, but there you go.

I was there 12/15-12/24 and I saw this everyday! Usually I'll just see it one time or so per trip.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

I heard more than a few folks complaining abut having to wait while the driver loaded or unloaded a wheelchair/scooter guest.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

I agree, Scott. When confronted, the standard reply seems to be "everyone else is doing it, so it must be okay." I thought that answer was left behind in high school.

I forgot to reply to you on this one.

My Mom used to counter that with "if everyone jumped off a bridge would you also?"

 

[Tricializ]

I heard more than a few folks complaining abut having to wait while the driver loaded or unloaded a wheelchair/scooter guest.

I have found myself getting annoyed after a long day in the parks when the bus driver has to load up a scooter. It takes what seems like forever. Of course I say nothing and realize it is just me being tired and thank God I am not in a position that I have to use one. Not excusing people who complain of such things at all. Just saying that sometimes the lack of buses in a timely manner causes some of these bad behaviors.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

I have found myself getting annoyed after a long day in the parks when the bus driver has to load up a scooter. It takes what seems like forever. Of course I say nothing and realize it is just me being tired and thank God I am not in a position that I have to use one. Not excusing people who complain of such things at all. Just saying that sometimes the lack of buses in a timely manner causes some of these bad behaviors.

I agree completely but folks should keep those thoughts to themselves.

 

[Tricializ]

I agree completely but folks should keep those thoughts to themselves.

Oh my. Completely agree. It's the impatient part in me that is my downfall. But, truly, some of these annoyed people (and how annoyed can you be? You are at Disney, for goodness sakes..not work!) should take a walk in one of these people's shoes for just one day. As annoyed as I can internally get when I get stressed, I do have a handicapped husband who, if he went to Disney for any time, would need a scooter or wheelchair (he won't use one so he only goes to Disney rarely and for just a couple of hours at a time). I can bet with certain certainty that every single person using a scooter or wheelchair would GLADLY give up their boarding status to feel good enough to stand all day and wait in line. I was just voicing my concern for some of the ridiculously long and slow lines where bus after bus keeps pulling up at one depot and leaving the lines grow at another.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

I really dont mind the busses but there are times when its just hard to move enough people on them no matter how many they have. I know its been discussed before but there has got to be a better way to move people. Walt was famous for coming up with ideas and then have the technology catch up to him, too bad something like that cant happen in the transportation.

Scott

 

[lovethecastle]

Donna, Thank you for the explaination of the kiss goodnight. That sounds really neat. I am never up that late anymore. Even when we are on vacation my kids get up very early.

When we went to Disney in Dec 03 my dh took our ds to see the parade & after went into the park instead of leaving with the crowd. He said there were no lines on any of the rides because of the mass exodus.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

One of our last days on vacation was the worst! We had 2 ECVs. My mom and I were able to get off of them so my sister, dad, bil..would free wheel them up the ramp. The bus driver lowered the ramp and my sister started up the ramp. As she was doing so a group of like 4 adults and a bunch of kids under the age of 5 were suppose to wait to board the bus. The kids ran up the bus steps and darted for the back of the bus. My sister almost ran into a few of the kids with the ECV.

My mom and sister made comments to the adults. They just looked at her blankly and said how were we suppose to know? one person actually said to another in their party. Is she actually yelling at us?

Uh duh! What morons.

I saw my first rude ECV person. We got to a bus at TTC to board for MGM. This lady in an ECV zips up to the back door. Well the bus had already been loading and was now loading standing room only. She made a stink with the driver that wheelchairs are priority.

I don't exactly know what the heck she was expecting. Sure--they take priority when you are already there...but it isn't a fast pass and you cannot remove people from a bus that is nearly fully loaded.

Her attitude kept on going and I inserted my pregnant 2 cents and she got really pi$$y.

Next bus after a long wait shows up and by this time there are 4 wheelchairs waiting. Now if it were me...I would have made sure to position myself so that I was first. she was too busy complaining by the benches...that she ended up placing herself 3rd in line.

Bus shows up--he goes to board the wheelchairs and she keeps her mouth shut. Then she lets a little girl go ahead of her. I'm thinking--WOW...she's redeeming herself. NOPE. The bus only boards 2 wheelchairs and not 2 seconds after she gave up her spot not once, but twice...she started complaining how this was the 2nd bus that would NOT let her on.

FTR..all she had was a busted ankle. I can empathize with a temporary circumstance..I used a wheelchair in Hawaii when I went. But I have seen worse manners and entitlement from someone in my life. She should have looked on the bright side--she would be out of that thing soon.

 

[Donna]

Donna, Thank you for the explaination of the kiss goodnight. That sounds really neat. I am never up that late anymore. Even when we are on vacation my kids get up very early.

When we went to Disney in Dec 03 my dh took our ds to see the parade & after went into the park instead of leaving with the crowd. He said there were no lines on any of the rides because of the mass exodus.

You're welcome! Hey I can't stay up that late anymore either (unless i take a break during the day) so we usually do this every once in awhile. Since our family trip is usually in the summer, we take a nice long mid day break so we're all usually up later when the sun is down and the parks are cooler. That's about the only time it's doable for us!

 

[tallyfamily]

We had a blast at the Fort first week of December. However some of the golf cart drivers were downright scary! One guy in particular had a cart full of kids and he was zooming from the road behind the 2000 loop down into the ditches, then back up onto the road, then back into the ditch, over and over while the kids were screaming and bouncing around. I thought a child was going to come bouncing right out, or they were going to tip over or they were going to come up out of the ditch right into the path of a bus!

We also noticed a lack of "happy" CMs, particularly on the monorails!

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

It's not just in Disney - it's gotten worse everywhere. What can be done to bring back the social graces that should be the norm?

Flogging?

 

[VAN]

I do have a bit of a pet peeve regarding buses and those in ECV/Wheelchairs ... A year or so ago when we were there, we had to wait a very long time for a bus to arrive. A minute before the bus shows up, a group of 10 arrive with an extremely old person in a wheelchair. If the individual was not strapped in, he would have fallen out. Well, the bus driver holds up the line to board the wheelchair and the entire group of young adults with him troop onto the bus prior to the wheelchair boarding, filling up the back (they didn't wait for him or even sit near him).

[Our observation was that this group got Grandpa out of the nursing home so they could enjoy front-of-the-line access for their WDW vacation!! They appeared to have no concern what-so-ever about Grandpa!!]

THEN they began boarding those of us who had been waiting over a 1/2 hour. Needless to say, a good portion of the line had to wait for the next bus (another 20 minutes).

There was a time when not all the buses could take wheelchairs, so when one arrived, they needed to use it; however, all of the buses have them now and so, in my opinion, I don't see why the wheelchair and their party can't wait in line with the rest of the people. It seems to be one of those cases where they not only want "equal" treatment, but "special" treatment.

Flame all you want, this is just my opinion!!!

 

[Sinclare]

Most of such things don't usually bother me, though I have experienced the longer wait times (somtimes over 30-45 minutes) due to each bus comming in having to load several ecv's but I understand the position of most people using them and it just can't be helped. Many times I feel for the bus drivers even though I'm annoyed at the wait times (which seem to have gotten much longer lately).

One thing I did have a problem with though was last year in the 2000 loop. Someone brought one of those mini-motorcycles with them for their kids. This wasn't one of those toy battery power things, this was a mini-motorcycle made like a crotch rocket. They were tearing around the loop very fast with no regards to younger kids walking around or riding bikes. My parents who were worried about my younger niece whom they had almost hit once turned them in. They still kept doing it after the CM's had visited but a couple days later they were gone so I don't know if that was a result of it or not. CM's did a lot of extra drive arounds for a couple days while they were there so I suspect they may have gotten kicked out.

Still, that the kids were doing it doesn't suprise me but that the parents were letting them do it amazes me.

 

[ftwildernessguy]

We saw the same thing a couple of years ago. Not only was the guy driving it recklessly, but it was loud and a 2 stroke engine, so it smelled and put out a lot of exhaust fumes. A quick call to the front desk after I found out which site he was at and the offender was evicted. It seems a lot of others had complained but no one knew what site he was from. Last October someone had a 50cc scooter (licensed and street legal) which he used the same as a bicycle - parking it in the bike racks, riding on sidewalks, etc. I never did find his site. I have a Yamaha Vino, but it stays home when we go to FW. If I can leave my ride home while at Disney, everybody else can too.