Great pedestrian cities w/ stipulations

Last winter was definitley NOT a dusting of snow in DC. DC got creamed...twice...last winter with snow.

DC is kind of hit or miss with snow. It can get a dusting of snow thorughout the winter or it can get full on blizzards. When the federal government had to shut down last winter more than once because of the snow, you know it's bad.

But, DC is also basically in the middle of a swamp. This past year it was a miserbale winter (cold and more than 6 feet of snow) AND a pretty bad summer (the humidity was really bad this year apparently).

Last year was the blizzard of a lifetime, and pretty much one of the hottest summers of a lifetime too. NO ONE should judge whether or not they want to live in DC by last year's weather, because we probably won't see it again for a very long time.
 
DC had more snow last year then Minneapolis but I would have to say that with what is available in DC and how easy it is to use the metro there that DC is probably the most "pedestrian" friendly city in the US mostly because of how compact the city really is and while traffic is bad it is nothing compared to places like Boston (the worst traffic in the WORLD), New York, etc.

Minneapolis is actually very pedestrian friendly and compared to other major metro's has NO traffic (there is traffic just nothing like what you see elsewhere). With the skyway system you would never have to walk outside in in the winter if you lived downtown.

No, actually the traffic in the DC area is horrible. And it got worse this past year. Although that wouldn't matter if you were primarily walking, and it's really the whole metro area that's bad with people traveling in from the suburbs.

According to Forbes, worst traffic ratings were: 1.) LA, 2.) New York, 3.) Chicago, 4.) DC.

I hope you were just joking about Boston traffic :rotfl: Really, in the world?
 
In your list of stipulations - you are not including "good mass transit system". If that is an OK addition to your list - I'd have to say Atlanta might work.

What? Atlanta barely has a mass transit system. It is also the least pedestrian friendly city I've ever seen!

I would TOTALLY suggest Athens, GA. You can easily get by without a car, it has great cultural activities, museums, parks, etc. Really good restaurants, too!
 

No, actually the traffic in the DC area is horrible. And it got worse this past year. Although that wouldn't matter if you were primarily walking, and it's really the whole metro area that's bad with people traveling in from the suburbs.

According to Forbes, worst traffic ratings were: 1.) LA, 2.) New York, 3.) Chicago, 4.) DC.

I hope you were just joking about Boston traffic :rotfl: Really, in the world?

No, I was not joking, all those cities might have MORE traffic but in Boston no one obeys traffic laws :scared1: Red lights mean speed up, green lights mean proceed at your own risk. It is perfectly acceptable to turn left from the far right lane, across 4 lanes of traffic on a red light.
 
New York City itself almost never gets snow, I say almost because once I saw snow there... once in all those years I stepped out into slush but the storm was of legendary proportions. They say it's because the subway gives off so much heat that the snow melts before it can accumulate. There were times the outer boroughs were covered in the stuff but NYC streets & sidewalks were completely clear. Odd but true

For me the only question would be which neighborhood I would prefer, lots of good ones to choose from and each has it's own distinct personality... I love that about NYC.

MY SIL loves DC, she lives somewhere in Virginia near a train station but spends a great deal of time in DC. I don't know about snow but her biggest complaint is that she despises the swamp like humidity that the summer brings there. I don't know how true it is but she tells me DC is built on a swamp, or near a swamp and that the water tables are so high that summers are very unpleasant. Her BF says the same thing which is interesting because he comes from Miami so i tend to take them at their word. I don't know for sure though, just what they tell me. Still, they love it and enjoy the restaurants and night life very much.
 
No, I was not joking, all those cities might have MORE traffic but in Boston no one obeys traffic laws :scared1: Red lights mean speed up, green lights mean proceed at your own risk. It is perfectly acceptable to turn left from the far right lane, across 4 lanes of traffic on a red light.

I've seen a lot of that in DC. I've never driven in New York but I can only imagine.
It especially makes me laugh because nothing here in the US could compare to anything they have in Asia. There are basically no rules on the road. And in China, they recently had a traffic jam that spanned several days, yikes!
Even in Europe, they seem to interpret traffic laws much more loosely than we do. For our taxi driver in Italy every lane seemed to be a turn lane, or a passing lane :lmao:
 
Is this possible:

1. USA only
2. Nothing out west
3. No snow
4. Car isn't necessary
5. Plenty of things to do like museums, concerts, art galleries, farmers market, community activities, college or professional sports, etc. all nearby

Am I dreaming? I can think of plenty of places that meet most of the stipulations but they all have winter weather or they are out west.

I agree with DC as others have mentioned,
I have to say Boston too even though you mentioned the snow. But its a great city to get around, although you would need a way to get down to Foxboro if professional football is on your radar. ( there must be buses down to foxboro from the city)

DC had more snow last year then Minneapolis but I would have to say that with what is available in DC and how easy it is to use the metro there that DC is probably the most "pedestrian" friendly city in the US mostly because of how compact the city really is and while traffic is bad it is nothing compared to places like Boston (the worst traffic in the WORLD), New York, etc.

Minneapolis is actually very pedestrian friendly and compared to other major metro's has NO traffic (there is traffic just nothing like what you see elsewhere). With the skyway system you would never have to walk outside in in the winter if you lived downtown.

No, I was not joking, all those cities might have MORE traffic but in Boston no one obeys traffic laws :scared1: Red lights mean speed up, green lights mean proceed at your own risk. It is perfectly acceptable to turn left from the far right lane, across 4 lanes of traffic on a red light.

Boston........really???? in the world?? nah!
we are very polite drivers around here. LOL, you just have to LEARN our ways. actually I have lived many many places due to hubby and Boston driving is actually the easiest I have encountered.
have often do you drive in Boston?
 
New Orleans. Also, Austin, TX.

In Florida, my top vote would be Sarasota, which ranks very high on most cultural indices. Thing is, though, it's not young; people 20-44 years old are only 25% of the population.
 
I can't really offer up any opinions as I haven't been to very many places in the US but I did find a website that ranked cities and towns for their walkability and explains the criteria they used. I find the topic of walkable cities and pedestrian corridors very interesting, and in fact wrote a paper on the topic in my Transportation & Land Use Planning class back in the day.
http://www.runtheplanet.com/trainingracing/training/walkers/americancities.asp

Top 5 Small Communities pop < 50,000

1. Dunedin, FL
2. Exeter, NH
3. Eureka Springs, AK
4. Burlington, VT
5. Xenia, OH

Top 5 Medium Cities pop 50,000 - 500,000

1. Boulder, CO
2. Chattanooga, TN
3. Raleigh, NC
4. Portland, ME
5. Austin, TX

Top 5 Large Cities pop 500,000 +

1. Washington, DC
2. Minneapolis, MN
3. Boston, MA
4. Portland, OR
5. Seattle, WA
 
Last year was the blizzard of a lifetime, and pretty much one of the hottest summers of a lifetime too. NO ONE should judge whether or not they want to live in DC by last year's weather, because we probably won't see it again for a very long time

Nope. Not the blizzard of a lifetime. Blizzard of '96. Summers are basically always miserable in that area. I remember having like 2 weeks straight of code red days in 2008. 95 degrees with 95% humidity is not uncommen for a good portion of the summer.

And winters are alawys ridiculously cold. I remember having more than a week in winter of '08-'09 where I would leave for school at 7:30AM and it would be below 10 degrees outside.

I love DC. I love the surrounding areas. I lived there for 20 years. But the weather is definitley not ideal.
 
What about Savannah, GA? It's a gorgeous little town and it's great for walking. :)
 
What about Savannah, GA? It's a gorgeous little town and it's great for walking. :)

As much as I love Savannah, it is too touristy for me. Living in FL, I get tired of all the tourists (not complaining because we need the revenue but when we retire, I would rather not deal with tourists).

And yeah, safety would be an issue. ;)
 
In your list of stipulations - you are not including "good mass transit system". If that is an OK addition to your list - I'd have to say Atlanta might work.

Not in a MILLION years... :scared:

New York City itself almost never gets snow, I say almost because once I saw snow there... once in all those years I stepped out into slush but the storm was of legendary proportions. They say it's because the subway gives off so much heat that the snow melts before it can accumulate. There were times the outer boroughs were covered in the stuff but NYC streets & sidewalks were completely clear. Odd but true

It's the infrastructure and the fact that the snow plows get out IMMEDIATELY after a snow. We used to run after the snow fell so we could enjoy it before it became yellow with brown balls on it... the lovely DAWGS of NYC... :lmao:
 
:lmao: Is this a joke?

:lmao: Although from what I hear...if you are in the actual city of Chicago, snow removal is a priority, so although there may be some, it gets taken care of & if you aren't actually DRIVING in it, then no big deal right?

Actually, if it weren't for the snow part, I would say Chicago...however, it IS windy & cold (I didn't see anything about temperatures, just snow itself).
 
New York City itself almost never gets snow, I say almost because once I saw snow there... once in all those years I stepped out into slush but the storm was of legendary proportions. They say it's because the subway gives off so much heat that the snow melts before it can accumulate. There were times the outer boroughs were covered in the stuff but NYC streets & sidewalks were completely clear. Odd but true

For me the only question would be which neighborhood I would prefer, lots of good ones to choose from and each has it's own distinct personality... I love that about NYC.

That's not quite accurate. We do get a bit of snow here in the city. Not as much as in past years. Less each year. I've been here 30 years, from way upstate, so I DO know snow country.

Only twice in my recollection has a the city fully shut down completely because of a Noreaster blizzard. But, mainly, when they announce a "blizzard" coming in, it's only 4". :rolleyes: That's not much for people who know blizzards usually mean 6" - 12" of snow, falling several straight days.

The reason people don't see snow on the streets & sidewalks of NYC, is that each building get fined up the wazoo if their walkway in front has snow or ice. Not to mention, if someone falls, they could be subject to a major lawsuit. :headache: Landlords & businesses are usually out shoveling within hours of snow falling, and even during a snowfall, keeping the sidewalks clear. When I wake up in the morning, I can hear one of the guys shoveling the walk below, and I know it snowed overnite.

What then happens is they push all the snow into snow banks that people can't walk through. They have to cross streets only at the corners. If you do own a car, and you leave it at the curb overnight during a storm, don't expect to be able to get your car out for a few DAYS, as the snow plow AND businesses will have pushed and shoveled a literal foot of snow all the way around your car. It's like a snow barricade. Unless you have a shovel, you cannot get your car out.

The snow banks cause two problems: The huge trash bags that are normally piled neatly at the edge of the curbs are now moved inwards, and it's hard to negotiate around them, especially when you have self-involved tourists, who just stop & stand in the middle of the flow of busy, moving pedestrians, so unaware of their surroundings, as though they are still in some empty corn field some where, and start yakking to each other. :sad2:

Second, all the snow on the snow banks and in the parking lanes clog up the sewer drains. All that snow melting from the heat of the sidewalks directly above the underneath subway lines, has nowhere to go. Clogged sewer drains mean the water collects and floods various street corners. Some intersections become a virtual moat :boat: to try to cross to get to the other side. :eek: That's when you have to try to climb the snow banks in the middle of blocks as they are drier areas instead. I don't think I've ever come home without soggy, water-filled shoes.

If the temperature turns to freezing, the few days after the snow has turned to water, the accumulated water turns to ice all over the ground, which is worse than the snow. Since there was no snow fall, the plows to NOT have to come by to move away formed ice. Any areas not shoveled, and there are many, become treacherous to walk or drive on.

Anyone with mobility problems will have a hard time negotiating the streets of NYC because of the snow banks & the flooded street corners and ice. :headache:

Then, you add taxi drivers from Jamaica & the Caribbean, who've never driven in the snow before. . . they don't know about pumping their brakes. :scared1: Plus, they have NO idea what black ice is. :scared:
 


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