GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[wombat_5606]

What you describe here is similar to the plan my DH’s plant has. These guys already work rotating shifts so you have three guys who work day shift (12 hours) for four days and another crew who works three nights shifts (12 hours) with each of them having off 1, 3, 4 or 7 days depending on the week so you only have crews interacting briefly with each other when they exchange day for night. They’ll go a couple weeks without ever seeing the other set of crews. That’s their normal everyday. When things closed up they had trailers brought onto the property and the plan was (still is if things get too bad) was to have two shifts stay onsite for two weeks, swap out with the next two shifts and be off for two weeks. This way if someone got sick they could quarantine and still have an able crew on deck.

You husband's plant doesn't interact with the public at all?

 

[shh]

I ask why can't that work for Florida? Our percent positive from last week was 1%.

Because too many losers who live here think following covid rules is the death knell to their "freedom in americuh" and refuse to comply. There aren't enough enforcement personnel here to catch them all. They don't just disagree with the covid rules and stay home - which would be the mature and adult thing to do. They disagree by actively going into bars, restaurants, crowded streets to push the issue and show their "independence" - some scream at business managers and staff trying to get them to comply.

Of course, this isn't everyone....but tensions are high in many areas of the state -

 

[peaceluv&mickeymouse]

Because too many losers who live here think following covid rules is the death knell to their "freedom in americuh" and refuse to comply. There aren't enough enforcement personnel here to catch them all. They don't just disagree with the covid rules and stay home - which would be the mature and adult thing to do. They disagree by actively going into the community to push the issue and show their "independence" - some scream at business managers and staff trying to get them to comply. The nastiness lately is unbelievable.

I wish people would just get it. I live in WNY, we just went into phase 4 today and that is because people listen and practice social distance and wear masks. It’s so easy to do. It works. I just don’t get it , a global pandemic and people are dying and they still can follow what the scientist are saying.

 

[wenrob]

You husband's plant doesn't interact with the public at all?

On site? No. They also do not come into close contact with each other. Usually one running operations inside, another outside and maintenance. It’s actually the perfect kind of job to have during a pandemic. Which is fortunate since they run a power plant and are essential.

Other than groceries we don’t go anywhere. I know one of the guys on my DH’s shift has his grown kids shop for him and leave it in the garage. To the best of my knowledge they all take things pretty seriously.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I wish people would just get it. I live in WNY, we just went into phase 4 today and that is because people listen and practice social distance and wear masks. It’s so easy to do. It works. I just don’t get it , a global pandemic and people are dying and they still can follow what the scientist are saying.

What does phase 4 include? I'm always interested to learn what the numbers mean for other states.

 

[KBoopaloo]

Wait, but if no COVID cases have been tied to any of these things, why would we keep them closed? Same goes for beaches and parks. I think there is a line where decisions to close things are being based on "misery loves company" rather than actual science. I for one, got my first haircut in over 3 months last week. I was the only one there and the hairdresser and I both wore masks. There was ZERO chance of either of us transmitting COVID. She seemed fine staying home and collecting her COVID check from the government (could be she was joking though). Personally, as a taxpayer and a guy who really needed a haircut, I'd rather pay her to cut my hair.

Since she was a working taxpayer herself before the shutdowns she paid into the system - let’s not pretend that only those of us who have been able to keep working during the shutdowns are footing the bill for unemployment benefits. And on top of that unemployment is taxed.

 

[tippity]

Things have opened here where I live too and our cases haven't skyrocketed from it. Safe reopening is working here. Difference is our theme parks aren't open and indoor seating at restaurants is not an option. If our numbers stay as low as they have then our theme parks can possibly open. People are going out more here and following all social distancing guidelines for the most part. An economy can function without theme parks for a little while longer. I have always been against theme parks opening this soon.

I ask why can't that work for Florida? Our percent positive from last week was 1%.

Could you please provide more info? Where do you live? What phase of opening? How long have you been open? I think the phased re-opening was a sound plan that would have worked if the virus made everyone symptomatic. But if 25% of the carriers are symptomatic, no one will ever know when it’s safe to open.

 

[Jrb1979]

Could you please provide more info? Where do you live? What phase of opening? How long have you been open? I think the phased re-opening was a sound plan that would have worked if the virus made everyone symptomatic. But if 25% of the carriers are symptomatic, no one will ever know when it’s safe to open.

I live in Ontario Canada. We are in phase 2 now which means restaurant patios can open along will hairdressers. All retail and campgrounds have been open for almost a month now. We have yet to that spike that most US states are. The biggest key here seems to be that they have been fining people for not complying with social distancing. Like I said our theme parks aren't open yet

 

[tippity]

I live in Ontario Canada. We are in phase 2 now which means restaurant patios can open along will hairdressers. All retail and campgrounds have been open for almost a month now. We have yet to that spike that most US states are. The biggest key here seems to be that they have been fining people for not complying with social distancing. Like I said our theme parks aren't open yet

Thanks for the info. The cases didn't start going up in the US states until we moved into Phase 3 of opening. If you look around the US, the states that remain in Phase 2 aren't having spikes.

 

[cmp3400]

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[montreid]

Trouble with the phased reopening in most of America is that we're not following and maintaining the basic medical advice WITH reopening - physical distancing as one can and masking if one cannot.

The second issue is that the reopening phases are coming too quick in succession before true data can capture and reflect increased transmission -- typically 2 weeks lag before an uptick of cases can be seen and really more like 3-4 weeks for true trendlines appear.

This is why it wasn't until end of June that we had confidence in the data that it was probably Memorial weekend that really started kicking off the spikes everywhere.

Contrary to others, I believe theme parks actually probably will have lower transmission risks IF rules are enforced. There is greater risk of loss by the patron for noncompliance (escorted off the premises and $100+ ticket voided) to posted rules and most parks will have security to apply such enforcement. This is not the case for most other venues were a patron chooses not to comply with stated rules of the establishment.

We CAN reopen safely. It's the matter of whether WE WANT to do it as a community or not. It will be interesting to see we can get to the preview days and see how Disney handles things and how the AP community acts as a whole.

 

[kymom99]

Statement of a friend at a social distancing outdoor gathering:

she’s not afraid of this virus. She wishes they would put it in a room and we just run through it and if we get it, we get it. God already knows how and when she is going to die. Yet she now has a gun and is collecting coin money because the violence frightens her. Oh, and she was afraid we might be hit by lightening as it was threatening rain.

 

[GreatLakes]

Trouble with the phased reopening in most of America is that we're not following and maintaining the basic medical advice WITH reopening - physical distancing as one can and masking if one cannot.

The second issue is that the reopening phases are coming too quick in succession before true data can capture and reflect increased transmission -- typically 2 weeks lag before an uptick of cases can be seen and really more like 3-4 weeks for true trendlines appear.

This is why it wasn't until end of June that we had confidence in the data that it was probably Memorial weekend that really started kicking off the spikes everywhere.

That is my belief. Way too short between phases so we didn't really understand the ramifications. In Ohio we had one week between phases at one point. Far too short.

Contrary to others, I believe theme parks actually probably will have lower transmission risks IF rules are enforced. There is greater risk of loss by the patron for noncompliance (escorted off the premises and $100+ ticket voided) to posted rules and most parks will have security to apply such enforcement. This is not the case for most other venues were a patron chooses not to comply with stated rules of the establishment.

We CAN reopen safely. It's the matter of whether WE WANT to do it as a community or not. It will be interesting to see we can get to the preview days and see how Disney handles things and how the AP community acts as a whole.

The problem with theme parks isn't just the social distancing and precautions, it is that people from all over the county come and bring both infections in from their locations and then infections back. It is all these people coming and going from all around the country that are causing issues. We haven't left the two counties that surround my house since before the pandemic. People need to minimize the radius they travel so going across state lines for vacation is a bad idea.

 

[MamaLema]

I live in Ontario Canada. We are in phase 2 now which means restaurant patios can open along will hairdressers. All retail and campgrounds have been open for almost a month now. We have yet to that spike that most US states are. The biggest key here seems to be that they have been fining people for not complying with social distancing. Like I said our theme parks aren't open yet

I live in Ontario too but my area is very cautious. Even though hair salons have been open, I am still seeing the majority of teen boys and men with overgrown hair. Daycare was given the green light a few weeks ago but majority will be opening in the next few weeks. The real test will be when more things open up which I am both excited and scared for.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

NYC decided not to open up indoor dining after seeing what's doing in Florida and other states.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Florida adds 6,563 cases overnight. Ran 45,000+ tests, was running (or at least reporting) 70,000+ much of last week. Positivity rates for new cases is back up above 15%.

 

[hsmamato2]

That is my belief. Way too short between phases so we didn't really understand the ramifications. In Ohio we had one week between phases at one point. Far too short.



The problem with theme parks isn't just the social distancing and precautions, it is that people from all over the county come and bring both infections in from their locations and then infections back. It is all these people coming and going from all around the country that are causing issues. We haven't left the two counties that surround my house since before the pandemic. People need to minimize the radius they travel so going across state lines for vacation is a bad idea.

this is my big concern- phased reopenings don't mean much if people are traveling at will all over the country.... I understand the wish and desire to go to WDW this summer/fall,but I don't understand the actual doing it. I think travel without considering the ramifications is going to bring more problems....(I mean the ramifications,not just for me, but for others)

 

[hsmamato2]

NYC decided not to open up indoor dining after seeing what's doing in Florida and other states.

Good!

 

[dlavender]

Florida adds 6,563 cases overnight. Ran 45,000+ tests, was running (or at least reporting) 70,000+ much of last week. Positivity rates for new cases is back up above 15%.

Oof.....

Really hoping that the mask ordinances start moving this bad boy the other way.....

 

[threeboyzdad]

Florida adds 6,563 cases overnight. Ran 45,000+ tests, was running (or at least reporting) 70,000+ much of last week. Positivity rates for new cases is back up above 15%.

Can you please share what site you’re using. I’m using a dashboard that hasn’t updated yet and trying to track Orange co specifically. We leave next week and are watching closely