Got PAP with DVC offer, now with FP+ maybe regretting

[jade1]

That would make sense but if resort guest status is otherwise meaningless with regard to FP+, there may not be a viable method to differentiate.

Seems easy enough. If the AP in question has been reserving say 20 FP+ each quarter no problem. Then when the AP gets tied to a resort ressie-it will be allowed to do the 3 per day as well.

 

[tjkraz]

Seems easy enough. If the AP in question has been reserving say 20 FP+ each quarter no problem. Then when the AP gets tied to a resort ressie-it will be allowed to do the 3 per day as well.

Most passholders would therefore have multiple resort stays under a single AP. The question is whether the database architecture would allow linking multiple reservations to a single AP.

In all other situations, FP+ rights could be managed by some ticket identifier. Buy a 7-day MYW, get 7 days worth of FP+ rights. Buy an AP, get 20 per quarter (or whatever).

In your example, you're talking about co-mingling FP+ rights which are issued on the basis of type of ticket along with rights linked to a hotel reservation.

Those aren't insurmountable obstacles but the system would have to be carefully designed to allow it to happen. They would have to make sure that the resort entitlements don't eat into the AP entitlements, and vice versa. It's very much an area where programming glitches or customer misunderstandings could cause ongoing problems.

It would be more straightforward (IMO) if Disney intended to give all resort guests some additional FP+ perk on top of whatever their ticket allows. For instance, imagine that resort guests get two FP+ per day on top of the ones allowed by their MYW tickets or APs. That way you're keeping the resort entitlements and park ticket entitlements entirely separate, albeit linked under a single MagicBand / KTTW card.

 

[jade1]

Most passholders would therefore have multiple resort stays under a single AP. The question is whether the database architecture would allow linking multiple reservations to a single AP.

In all other situations, FP+ rights could be managed by some ticket identifier. Buy a 7-day MYW, get 7 days worth of FP+ rights. Buy an AP, get 20 per quarter (or whatever).

In your example, you're talking about co-mingling FP+ rights which are issued on the basis of type of ticket along with rights linked to a hotel reservation.

Those aren't insurmountable obstacles but the system would have to be carefully designed to allow it to happen. They would have to make sure that the resort entitlements don't eat into the AP entitlements, and vice versa. It's very much an area where programming glitches or customer misunderstandings could cause ongoing problems.

It would be more straightforward (IMO) if Disney intended to give all resort guests some additional FP+ perk on top of whatever their ticket allows. For instance, imagine that resort guests get two FP+ per day on top of the ones allowed by their MYW tickets or APs. That way you're keeping the resort entitlements and park ticket entitlements entirely separate, albeit linked under a single MagicBand / KTTW card.

I'm all for extra on site.

As for keeping track of AP quarterly quantities, pretty sure a computer program could allow "extra FP+" to a given AP "when" its linked to a resort-and not deduct against the QTY 20. In other words-use up your 20 days in Jan and Feb-then if you have a spring break week resort reserved in Mar-you get the additional 3 per day. Seems easy actually. ANY resort stay with an AP-would not deduct from that AP's quarterly 20.

Actually even your example wouldn't always work, if the AP user had used up all the 20 for the quarter-then would only get the "2 additional" for staying onsite-not 3 like everyone else. However-if they have not used them and would like to, then I would agree the extra would be nice (5 per day).

 

[tjkraz]

As for keeping track of AP quarterly quantities, pretty sure a computer program could allow "extra FP+" to a given AP "when" its linked to a resort-and not deduct against the QTY 20. In other words-use up your 20 days in Jan and Feb-then if you have a spring break week resort reserved in Mar-you get the additional 3 per day. Seems easy actually. ANY resort stay with an AP-would not deduct from that AP's quarterly 20.

You may think it seems easy but I could give you a dozen scenarios in which human error--on the part of either Disney or the guest--would quickly create headaches.

Things like filled waitlist requests, linked reservations, split stays and point reallocation could easily create problems.

I have experience with software development and allowing for human error is one of the most overlooked aspects of the design process. Sure it's important to write the program correctly. But you have to allow for the fact that humans will process transactions which go against the program design.

If you create a situation where this is likely to happen, customer dissatisfaction is the most likely outcome. Even if the customer is the one at fault, the vendor is often held accountable.

Like I said, such a system certainly COULD be designed. It's technologically possible. But there will be a lot of if/but/except scenarios which must be accounted for if the system is to operate efficiently. And even then, human error could wreck havoc on the whole bloody thing.

Actually even your example wouldn't always work, if the AP user had used up all the 20 for the quarter-then would only get the "2 additional" for staying onsite-not 3 like everyone else.

That was the specific intent of my example. The passholder would get their hotel allocation and then could draw from their quarterly allowance if they wish to have more on a given stay.

That was just one example. There are dozens of different ways it could play out.

 

[DougEMG]

It would be more straightforward (IMO) if Disney intended to give all resort guests some additional FP+ perk on top of whatever their ticket allows. For instance, imagine that resort guests get two FP+ per day on top of the ones allowed by their MYW tickets or APs. That way you're keeping the resort entitlements and park ticket entitlements entirely separate, albeit linked under a single MagicBand / KTTW card.

I'm thinking that this is what they will eventually do, give out additional FP+ tickets to resort guest rather than room discounts or free dining discounts.

 

[jade1]

That was the specific intent of my example. The passholder would get their hotel allocation and then could draw from their quarterly allowance if they wish to have more on a given stay.

But what if they are local and used the 20 already before the resort stay? They would not have any left to draw from so they would only get 2 per day.

Furthermore-if the AP gets 20 per quarter (to cut down on nonstop daily reserving) and they reserve a 10 day stay (we just did 12 as AP holders), they would only get 2 per day-plus 2 bonus for onsite, and all others would get 5.

 

[jade1]

I'm thinking that this is what they will eventually do, give out additional FP+ tickets to resort guest rather than room discounts or free dining discounts.

I do agree as well-just wondering about the whole AP guidelines and how that could be handled.

 

[keys2kingdom]

There are about a million possibilities with this, I think Disney is going to have to be very careful and methodical with this program. Many, many people are just fine with the status quo and if this rolls out with a lot of problems I think customer discontent will be fierce. We all know Disney's track record with software isn't the greatest and while I like to be optimistic I'm glad I won't be heading to WDW until December. I'm going to keep my eyes open and my head down.

 

[Shellandscott]

Sorry to resurrect a dead horse. But I was asked where I got the idea that FP+ would need a room reservation to use it at 60 days. There by not allowing AP holders with out room reservation to make advanced FP+ reservations. It was several articles over time that I read. Here is one I happened to see today about EMH that was posted on Facebook. This article was written July 2012 in the Orlando Sentinel. It states--
Disney this fall will open much of its $425 million Fantasyland expansion in the Magic Kingdom, which should draw increased crowds to that already-packed park. And sometime in the fall or early 2013, it might roll out a new ride-reservation system — a key piece of its $1 billion "Next Generation Experience" project — in which hotel guests may be able to reserve ride times far in advance of their trips, potentially driving up standby wait times for other guests.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-24/news/os-disney-cuts-extra-magic-hours-20120724_1_hotel-guests-theme-parks-airport-shuttle-and-luggage-service

 

[vicki_c]

An article from a year ago that says "might" "may be" and "potentially" would not concern me much. Until they roll it out, no one knows what it's going to be like. Just speculation.