GCV Direct or Resale?

It’s been speculated that they don’t have the 2024 UY points or don’t want to give them away. I’m actually going insane over here because I’ve purchased 36 OTUP since the year turned over and 24 of them have been VGC points…so it seems like they have them. 🤪
What if you had said screw the 2024 points, I just want them in my use year?
 

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Are they not able to reassign the UY when they get them back from ROFR/foreclosures?

They have the ability to reassign UY but they still have to have points within that same unit that would allow for the UY change.

For example, if the points from ROFR/foreclosures are for Unit 1, and those are the only points in that unit available, outside of the ones DVD owns....they never sell 100% of any one unit....then they would only be able to swap UY's to ones that match what the points have.

If the contract was void of 2024 points, and started with 2025 points, they can't change the UY to one within its 2024 UY.....but could change it to any UY within the 2025 UY since that is the first set of points the contract had.

One of the reasons we see OTU points at VGC, along with others, is that those are the ones DVD owns and therefore, can't be sold.
 
Thanks everyone! It’s helpful to hear your perspectives.

For more context - confirming I have a decent chunk of WDW direct (300 points) and will probably land closer to 500 when all is said and done. So I don’t need/plan on using these points - whether GCV or VDH - as SAP. Though to PP’s point, knowing I can if I had a stranded point or two is a nice benefit (or peace of mind 🙂)

I also understand that in theory I can use my existing direct WDW points at both - this is what we did for this trip - used RIV points for our VDH stay (and waitlisted CGV). But I also don’t have a ton of confidence that I could do it regularly - especially since I won’t have a lot of flexibility with dates.

I recognize that 75 points isn’t a lot - but we would stay in studios and I don’t foresee us making it to CA more than every other year given the other traveling we do.

Last night I was leaning towards GCV and today I’m back to VDH…so we shall see where I land 🤣

Thanks again!!


Here's my perspective as a recent new owner:

We had a summer vacation this year in California. We spent a week at Marriott's Newport Coast Villas (we own a few deeded weeks at that resort - it's fabulous and all 2BR units) and also a couple of nights at VGC in a 1BR booked at 7 months out.

We had 4-day (70th anniversary) DL tickets since it was hard to pass on that pricing and experienced it both offsite and onsite. Driving from the Marriott resort was about 30 minutes and not bad at all. In fact, that property was supposed to be DVC until Disney sold it to Marriott. But staying at VGC was obviously a more convenient and we loved the resort and unbeatable locatiuon.

In the past we've considered adding some point at VGC either resale or direct. We were looking at something that would cover 3-4 studio nights or 2 one-bedroom nights with every other year travel. I wasn't really able to find anything on the resale market in the right use year, with the right number of points, and at a price I was ok with given the status of the contract (usually at least partially or fully stripped) and eventually stopped looking. And I told our WDW guide we'd be open to direct but she never followed up on that (maybe it's harder for the WDW guides to get those points?)

Then on this trip we did a tour of a VDH unit at DL, and met a guide who was able to get us a small direct VGC contract the right size and use year within a couple of days! Maybe we got very lucky, or at least that's what a couple of other DVC guides we later chatted with told us.

Yes, $330/pt hurts but here is how I rationalized it:

1) It's only about 20% more than resale... Paying $330 vs ~$270 is less painful percentage-wise than paying $210 vs ~$150 for Poly for example (the latter direct contract being 40% more than resale)

2) That ~$270/pt small resale contract, if I ever found it, is more likely than not to be stripped. So that's probably an extra hidden cost that should be accounted for.

3) I'm saving ~$5/pt by getting full 2025 points and paying prorated dues, and direct closing costs of ~$350 are also much lower than resale (~$700) which adds up more $/pt savings with a small contract. These two line items are worth maybe $10/pt in actual savings vs resale.

4) With no restrictions and no nightly occupancy taxes, this resort should maintain value well into the 2040s, much like BCV does today. VDH direct was not even a consideration for me because the restrictions are a deal-breaker and I'd expect a much higher capital loss on a restrcited direct contract if sold in 20 years or less (we loved the model room though and would happily stay there).

5) Will I regret not doing it? - that was an obvious "yes" (especially with stock markets at all-time highs).
 
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3) I'm saving ~$5/pt by getting full 2025 points and paying prorated dues, and direct closing costs of ~$350 are also much lower than resale (~$700) which adds up more $/pt savings with a small contract. These two line items are worth maybe $10/pt in actual savings vs resale.
I have often remarked that small contract closing costs can add $10 (or more!) to closing costs…on the tiny contracts it can be over $20/pt. I think if I was mentally prepared to pay for small contract pricing, I would probably go direct before hitting my UY (to get the prior year points) instead of hoping something showed up on the resale market.
4) With no restrictions and no nightly occupancy taxes, this resort should maintain value well into the 2040s, much like BCV does today. VDH direct was not even a consideration for me because the restrictions are a deal-breaker and I'd expect a much higher capital loss on a restrcited direct contract if sold I’min 20 years or less (we loved the model room though and would happily stay there).
I never buy anything I don’t plan to hold for a couple decades (or expiration, if it comes first!) but I do feel more comfortably buying at the resorts likely to hold their value and I think VGC is close to the top of that list— the only wild card being if Disney decided to build a new property at an even more desirable location (like inside Tomorrowland? Adjacent to the expansion with direct entry to both parks?) or convert many many more rooms to VGC— but I don’t think either of those possibilities are very high.
5) Will I regret not doing it? - that was an obvious "yes" (especially with stock markets at all-time highs).
One of the reasons I’ve been casually looking for DVC points (at non-restricted resorts) is that I think there’s a decent chance they will outperform the market over the next 5 years. 😵‍💫

To be clear, I don’t think anybody should look at DVC as an investment, only that my “fun money” stock portfolio will probably buy more DVC points today than it will (all else being equal other than market performance and DVC prices) in 2027 or 2028.

(Disclaimer: not financial advice, also I expect DVC resale to dip a bit further over the next year if commercial renters actually exit their memberships)
 



















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