GayDays At Magic Kingdom

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ECurto said:
Hate to inform you on this... But as a gay man, whose been "married" for 6 years... i hate watching heterosexuals in the park making out. I hate how I feel like i cant hold my partners hand, or steal a kiss on a ride. I I hate how heterosexual kids walk around with "FCUK" shirts on, and or wear the same shirts you are claiming were worn by these offensive homosexuals.

You need realize your living in 2005, in America, not your back woods town of the 20s. How about instead of complaining about it, you teach your kids that some people have different life styles, and this group is acting inappropriate at this time. Just as any group can. But its not a judgment of all homosexual people. Some homosexuals may act out at gays days, but until you know what its like to 24/7 hide your actions, to walk down main street during the happiest celebration, and NOT be able to just hold the hand of the person you love, b/c Billie Bob and is wife/sister will cause a scene... then don’t come on these boards and judge the situation.

And that’s all I have to say about that. lol


If anyone ever implies that it is wrong for anyone to hold hands than they are simply lost souls, imho.

A few bad apples gotta ruin it for a lot of us whether your gay, straight, purple or orange. So, what to do? Understand it is NOT the norm for "said" behavior of a certain select group. If people can "grasp" THAT then life would be simpler, eh?

I just don't see that most people will have a good attitude about this subject of Gay days in WDW. Certain groups are just looking for probs with it, imho!

I am a "straight" Mom of a son and I prefer to be among like minded lovers of Disney/WDW...gay, straight, purple, or orange.

I haven't been during gay days for a few years only due to the fact my son is in school now. Never had a prob.

I have had only uncomfortable moments with other heterosexuals and their children, actually. Do I condem ALL heterosexuals???? All children???

I do think having this sort of event sets itself up for probs, though. People aren't gonna come home and comment on the thousands of gay people that they didn't even notice...the comments are gonna be on those THAT made an impact. ;)

Like I mentioned, if people understood there are a "few" in every group...it would be a non issue. ;)

I never had a prob explaining to my child about 2 men or woman kissing anymore than 2 straight people kissing. I just always used it as an opportunity to enforce we all have a right to live our lives and to respect all people and love is love. As a parent, seems pretty simple to me. :confused3

The shirts and outta control behavior regardless...I'd be the first one in front of my son to tell them to get a room or keep on walking or use it as an example of what NOT to wear or how NOT to act in public. :teeth:
 
Amy&Dan said:
Since things seem to be totally out of control with this event I wonder what if anything Disney can do about it?
I think the only thing Disney could do is officially sponsor a Gay Days event BUT make it a hard ticket situation like MNSSHP. But if Disney does officially sponsor something like that they open themselves up for various other groups to protest Disney. As far as the offensive clothing is concerned, I think this is a job for the security folks to deal with before the person in question gets into the park. A CM friend of mine told me they are taught not to confront guests so I don't think a CM is responsible. If Disney really wants to do something about this, then the security people are the way to go..IMHO.
 
If you were at MK on the day they did their official meet thing, maybe that was the problem. Since they were are all meeting their as the kickoff to the event, maybe they were a little over the top.

DD and I were at Epcot today. We saw a lot of red shirts, but saw nothing inappropriate as far as attire or actions.
 

Pete Werner, webmaster and creator of this site, wrote an excellent diatribe against what has happened to gay days at Disney -- a refreshing and surprising dissent, imho, as it comes from a gay man who admittedly has some liberal leanings. (Others have alluded to it, earlier in this thread, and it is worth reading.)

As he states in his piece, the behavior going on at these things is offensive whether you're gay or straight -- it's just plain wrong, and inappropriate. Parents should not have to be explaining to their children what is going on, and why those two men are French kissing in the middle of an amusement park.

Gays do themselves a grave disservice by perpetuating this stereotypically shallow and self-indulgent behavior.
 
Christopher Robin 26 said:
I guess this topic should not have be mentioned on this board. Ones observations sure can get misconstrued.

Talking about gay people and things that happen around them isn't a bad subject and it has been talked about on these boards several times over the years and will be talked about again next year around this same time.

I see no where that anyone as misconstrued anything, the subject may have expanded a great deal but that's about it. If you were looking for a bunch of folks to hop on some band wagon and start gay bashing, that wasn't going to happen because for some reason alot of people here are a little more open minded then that although we do have a few people that love to stur the pot. If you were just posting what you saw and that is what you did, we read it, understood it, made comments about that and a few other things about gay folks and life is fine.

I see nothing wrong with what you posted or some of the comments made about the post...
 
As a gay man, I find many of these posts hurtful. They seem to imply that all gays and lesbians are vulgar and indecent. I have never been to Gay Days, but I have been to many Gay Pride celebrations and the people wearing the vulgar t-shirts and inappropriate clothing are a small minority. I despise all crass behavior, regardless of the source. Sadly, there are many people in our society who believe that homosexuals are vulgar by their mere existance.

I don't doubt that there are some people who get out of control at Gay Days. That is a problem at all large parties. But please do not stereotype gays and lesbians by the actions of a few. College spring break has earned a reputation for vulgarity, but I know of no one who would chastise all college students because of it. The same reasoning should apply to Gay Days and gays and lesbians.
 
Pete says it well. See below.

“Go get a room”

That’s exactly what I feel like yelling this time every year as Gay Days descend upon Orlando. I know that during the first week in June, unsuspecting families and otherwise good and reasonable people will, at times, be confronted with images and events they would probably rather not see or experience on their family vacation. These people paid to visit Disney World, but during the first week in June, it looks a lot more like South Beach.

For the record, I’m a 40 year old gay man living in Orlando. I’ve been to Gay Days before, and thought it was a little bit over the top, but always bit my lip – especially here on the site. This year though, it just seems completely out of control, and I wanted to get this off my chest.

I’ve watched over the years as Gay Days has grown in scope and size. What once was a small group of well meaning gay men and lesbians has grown – and in my opinion, deformed – into what is now nothing more than a vile spectacle of self indulgence and indecency.

No matter how prudish that last sentence may sound, trust me – I’m no prude. I have a liberal streak that cuts through me like a hot knife through butter, but I like to think that I was raised with a certain sense of decency and a pretty good sense of right and wrong. There is a time and a place for everything, and Disney World is neither in this instance.

Over the years I have heard about, and have witnessed, what is commonly referred to as PDA (public displays of affection) during gay days, and almost always it’s done in full view of a family, or at least children. I don’t care if you’re straight or gay, there are some things kids don’t need to see – and trust me, two queens frenching outside Cinderella castle is really high on that list.

I can’t help but think of, and feel sorry for – the unsuspecting family who saved for years for a once in a lifetime trip – only to arrive and find that Disney had in fact, been invaded by he-women and shaved down muscle boys. By itself that would not be a problem, but the sheer number of people who seem to go out of their way to rub their sexuality in everyones face during this ‘event’ is nothing short of disgraceful. Is the Magic Kingdom REALLY the place for a 5 year old to ask his father why those two men are kissing? Is it really up to any person to decide for that parent when, or if, they will have that conversation with their child? I’ve always believed the best way we, as gay men and lesbians, could further our cause was to simply live our lives openly, and with dignity. Not hide in shame, and not force our beliefs or lifestyle down anyone elses throat. I don’t like it when I hear pompous windbags telling me I’m going to burn in hell for being gay, and I’m sure most of the free world would appreciate a visit to Disney World that did not include the vision of grown men in go-go shorts, and ads for lubricant prominently displayed throughout the host hotel. Oh, and while we’re on the subject of ‘image’ at the host hotel (the Sheraton World on International Drive)– the line of beer trucks outside the resort was a nice touch, and the liquor kiosks and condom ads every 5 feet will certainly not further the image of us as a bunch of drunken sex fiends.

The argument is often put forth that since Christian groups congregate at Disney World, why not us? Fair enough, except that the ‘Night of Joy’ (the Christian concert that takes place at the Magic Kingdom each year) is a hard ticket event – meaning that it’s not open to the public, and requires separate admission. The Magic Kingdom is closed down to the public at a certain time, and only those people that CHOOSE to be there are allowed in. Families that come to the Magic Kingdom on Gay Days are not afforded the luxury of choice. Since Disney does not sanction the event, it’s not mentioned anywhere, or to anyone booking a reservation during that week. If “Gay Day” at the Magic Kingdom was a hard ticket event like the Night of Joy, sign me up. But it’s not – it’s far from it. Trust me, if a religious group organized 100,000 Christians to go and ‘make yourself known’ in the Magic Kingdom one day a year – and began rubbing their lifestyles in the faces of visitors by preaching to them as they tried to ride Space Mountain – plenty of people would be up in arms.

Then there is the issue of drugs. It is widely known throughout the gay community in Orlando that if you want good drugs and great sex, the first week of June is a great time to visit. So much so, that the Orange County Sheriffs office found it necessary to station deputies and drug sniffing dogs in the lobby of the host hotel. And before the oppression chorus starts warming up, just get real – we all know that it goes on in droves during gay week – and it’s not ‘oppression’ if it’s justified. I don’t mean to imply that every person attending gay days is a drug crazed lunatic – the vast majority are not – but no one in the gay community can deny how pervasive this problem is, and the problem travels with us.

Now, I have to tell you I’m uncomfortable writing this. In the 8 years I’ve had the site, I’ve never used it to espouse my beliefs – political or otherwise, and I doubt seriously I ever will again. But, I know a little something about Disney, and as a gay man – I feel I had something to say on this issue – something that should be said, something that many good, decent and reasonable people feel – but will never openly express for fear of ‘political incorrectness’.

I’m also more than a little fed up. I’m fed up with the world thinking that this is what being gay in America is all about – it’s not. I’m fed up that those of us with some sense of ourselves outside of circuit parties and body building are painted with this tawdry brush. But most of all, I’m fed up with watching a place I love get defiled by the kind of twisted nonsense that routinely takes place during Gay Days. The Magic Kingdom is not the place to make a stand, or to further an agenda. While Disney does not openly promote or discourage the event, I know that many inside the mouse house dread its arrival every year. It’s a political land mine and Disney does their best to walk it very carefully. In my mind, Disney already does it right. I’ve stayed at Disney hotels, sailed on the Disney Cruise Line and probably eaten in every restaurant on Disney property – on both coasts– and done all of it with my male partner. NEVER ONCE was I treated any differently than any other guest – it was a non issue – the way it should be. That’s Disney’s policy and it’s a good one. In return for that, my partner and I act appropriately when we’re in public – the way any couple should – straight or gay.

And before I get any emails from my gay brethren calling me a ‘self loathing aunt tom’ (someone actually called me that once), let me be clear – I’m proud of who and what I am. I just don’t feel the need to force feed it to the world in that way. Disney is a place where reality is suspended, at least for a time. It’s not a place for anyone’s political agenda – right or left. Keep Key West in Key West – and let Disney be Disney.
 
Disney can certainly be explicit about behavior and clothing, and then enforce those rules. I worked at a Six Flags park for a few years. Many people (usually young guys) were denied entrance until they turned their shirts inside out. And if people (again, usually groups of young guys) repeatly used profanity, they were warned and then ejected if they did not stop. Season passes were voided for extreme offenses (sex in the park, pulling top up on photo rides like Splash). People even lost their tickets for doing things in the parking lot.

I think Disney could, and should, enforce any policies they have about behavior in the parks. It would require a lot of internal training and monitoring to make sure they were enforcing it equally among all groups, but it could be done fairly.

Offensive behavior in a public, family-oriented place is wrong. It doesn't matter who, why, when . . . it's just wrong and should be dealt with by Disney swiftly and consistently.

Jenny
 
ECurto said:
Hate to inform you on this... But as a gay man, whose been "married" for 6 years... i hate watching heterosexuals in the park making out. I hate how I feel like i cant hold my partners hand, or steal a kiss on a ride. I I hate how heterosexual kids walk around with "FCUK" shirts on, and or wear the same shirts you are claiming were worn by these offensive homosexuals.

You need realize your living in 2005, in America, not your back woods town of the 20s. How about instead of complaining about it, you teach your kids that some people have different life styles, and this group is acting inappropriate at this time. Just as any group can. But its not a judgment of all homosexual people. Some homosexuals may act out at gays days, but until you know what its like to 24/7 hide your actions, to walk down main street during the happiest celebration, and NOT be able to just hold the hand of the person you love, b/c Billie Bob and is wife/sister will cause a scene... then don’t come on these boards and judge the situation.

And that’s all I have to say about that. lol



What I don't understand is why anyone would dress in a vulgar t-shirt at WDW? This is a place where you know that families are with small children. I have no problem with anyone holding hands or kissing at Magic Kingdom, but displaying vulgar images is beyond me. Even during GayDays, MK is full of kids and responsible adults should take that into account, no matter how much they feel like celebrating. I wish that WDW will impose a dress code, if this proves to be a trend. There is no excuse for this.

Jen
 
College spring break has earned a reputation for vulgarity, but I know of no one who would chastise all college students because of it. The same reasoning should apply to Gay Days and gays and lesbians.

Well said and true. Given the choice, I'd much rather attend Gay Days at Disney than any spring break-college/highschool-beach town.
 
And if you don't like people "judging the situation" as you claim (and last time I checked, people WERE allowed to have an opinion of how they feel about things), perhaps it's best you don't judge people by saying they're living in the backwoods town in the 20s simply because they disagree with certain acts. You labeling people as "Billy Bob & his wife" is no better than what you're saying other people are doing against gays.

I'm so glad you pointed that out. I guess stereotyping is OK if you don't agree with those being stereotyped. :rolleyes:

Btw, are you a UofL or UK fan?
(go cats ;) )
 
I wonder if someone started a post on how during star wars weekend there were lots of PDAs and vulgar t-shirts would so many people get offended and call it "star wars bashing"? The OP was just making an observation on how "Walt Disney World IS NOT the place for such indecency and the officials/security at WDW should monitor it in the future." I don't think there is as much "gay bashing" going on as there is "gay-hater witch hunting"!
 
We wernt to MK on Sat. and after riding one ride I chose to leave!! The vulgarity on the shirts was enough for me. The final straw was--3 girls leading another girl around on a rainbow dog leash and collar. I would be pissed if I saved for a vacation and that was my disney magic!!! :sad2:
 
WOW!! :earseek: We were at Epcot on Sat and saw none of what has been mentioned here in regards to excessive PDA and vulgar shirts. I saw a few couples holding hands and that made me smile; I was happy that they felt comfortable enough to be able to show their love for one another just like any other couple. If I had not known it was Gay Days and that many would be wearing red shirts I probably wouldn't have noticed a thing. It's very sad that a few rotten apples are spoiling the bunch.
 
DannyDisneyFreak said:
I wonder if someone started a post on how during star wars weekend there were lots of PDAs and vulgar t-shirts would so many people get offended and call it "star wars bashing"? The OP was just making an observation on how "Walt Disney World IS NOT the place for such indecency and the officials/security at WDW should monitor it in the future." I don't think there is as much "gay bashing" going on as there is "gay-hater witch hunting"!
Well said. The OP even comes back and suggests the thread is not going in the way he/she intended, and then this gem of a response, which there are numerous other examples of in this thread:
vegasnw said:
I see no where that anyone as misconstrued anything, the subject may have expanded a great deal but that's about it. If you were looking for a bunch of folks to hop on some band wagon and start gay bashing, that wasn't going to happen because for some reason alot of people here are a little more open minded then that although we do have a few people that love to stur the pot. If you were just posting what you saw and that is what you did, we read it, understood it, made comments about that and a few other things about gay folks and life is fine.
Now why would this guy assume the OP was looking for people to gay bash? Perhaps it is he who was looking for gay bashers by practically implying that the OP was one? Why would you even wonder that? Ridiculous and tiresome is what it is. Apparently one must prepend a disclaimer to each and every post assuring people you aren't a gay basher, that you have no ill will toward any minority, that you are not engaging in domestic violence, that you promise to vote the right way, yadda yadda. It's offensive, frankly, that as soon as you critque the behaviour of any particular group, you are presumed to have some sort of phobia of said group.
 
ECurto said:
Hate to inform you on this... But as a gay man, whose been "married" for 6 years... i hate watching heterosexuals in the park making out. I hate how I feel like i cant hold my partners hand, or steal a kiss on a ride. I I hate how heterosexual kids walk around with "FCUK" shirts on, and or wear the same shirts you are claiming were worn by these offensive homosexuals.

You need realize your living in 2005, in America, not your back woods town of the 20s. How about instead of complaining about it, you teach your kids that some people have different life styles, and this group is acting inappropriate at this time. Just as any group can. But its not a judgment of all homosexual people. Some homosexuals may act out at gays days, but until you know what its like to 24/7 hide your actions, to walk down main street during the happiest celebration, and NOT be able to just hold the hand of the person you love, b/c Billie Bob and is wife/sister will cause a scene... then don’t come on these boards and judge the situation.

And that’s all I have to say about that. lol

LOL???

What I have to say about that is that my 3 year old does not need to know about ANYONE'S sexuality. I shouldn't have to be teaching him anything about this. If his father and I, whose bedroom is divided from his by a little wood and drywall, can keep this stuff from him, well, I would expect anyone else could as well. I could express the same "frustrations" that you do because I know it is something my child is not mature enough to have to deal with, and I do not need to have an outlet to express things. Maybe you don't engage in inappropreate behavior in public, but supporting those who do is pretty much the same thing. Feel free to express your sexuality in an appropriate place, but WDW is not where that should be!!! I feel the same way about heterosexual's doing the same thing. I do not live in a little back-woods town, and am not unaware of what occurs in society, but young children do NOT need to be exposed to this type of behavior by anyone. I have no problem with you presenting your agenda to me, but do not do it to my child.
 
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