Galloway training question...

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I have been following the Galloway plan for the Princess Half but also looking at his "standard" Half training program from his website. I'm confused about choosing a ratio though for the interval. I was using the 2:1 but then lately switched to a 3:1 run:walk. However, my pace when I do so is about 11.5 min/mile and sometimes even 12 on a long run. His plan says that is the ratio (3:1) for a 10 minute mile. I don't get it. Am I suppose to do a 2:1 given my pace? Assuming whatever feels right would work but just trying to understand the reasoning. I do know that my run pace is slow and walk pace pretty fast.

Advice? Anyone else have this occurring?
 
I guess I would answer you question two ways. First, the recommendations on his web site are in my mind more of a starting point. I would experiment like it sounds like you have with ratio's a little bit high or a little bit lower than he recommends.

Second, I tend to think of the logic the other way around. If you can do your longer run or races at a 10 minute mile, a run 3/walk 1 is your best way of doing it. And in Galloway's mind that pace is tied to your Magic Mile. For your half marathon pace to be a 10:00 mile, Galloway says your MM should be 8:20. In order to run a 10:00 mile (assuming a 15:00 min. Mile walk pace), theoretically you could do any of the following

Run 3 minutes at about a 9:00 mile/Walk 1 minute at a 15:00 mile
Run 2 minutes at about an 8:30 mile/Walk 1 minute at 15:00 mile
Run 4 minutes at about a 9:15 mile/walk 1 minute at 15:00

(I used the following website for these times)

It's my assumption that Galloway's recommendation are attempting to balance run distance and run speed given your magic mile time. In my hypothetical example, to be able to run a 10:00 mile using 2/1 you would need to run at just off your 1 mile pace (Not something your likely to be able to do over long distances). 3/1 is his recommended ratio. Going to 4/1 allows you to run a little slower but your running an extra minute every cycle. But, that's all build around your MM pace.

Looking at it from a more practical since. For along time, I found my pace tends to be fairly constant over a variety of run/walk intervals and beyond that, my speed tends to be more U shaped. I tend to get slower at both extremes of run/walk ratios. For example. For along time when I went run 1/1 to 2/1 I would get slower, because I couldn't run as fast, and when I started walking I would walk slower.
 
I have been following the Galloway plan for the Princess Half but also looking at his "standard" Half training program from his website. I'm confused about choosing a ratio though for the interval. I was using the 2:1 but then lately switched to a 3:1 run:walk. However, my pace when I do so is about 11.5 min/mile and sometimes even 12 on a long run. His plan says that is the ratio (3:1) for a 10 minute mile. I don't get it. Am I suppose to do a 2:1 given my pace? Assuming whatever feels right would work but just trying to understand the reasoning. I do know that my run pace is slow and walk pace pretty fast.

Advice? Anyone else have this occurring?

Let me just say that your interval should really reflect how well you are feeling about your ratio. As one who has watched the 'recommended' ratios over the last decade I will tell you that they are different today as compared with 10 years ago. As a newer runner, I would look to keep your run/walk ratio at a 5 minute run/1 minute walk as a maximum. Feel free to push that ratio down as low as a 1:1 or 30 second?30 second from the max of 5:1. I know this is not a specific answer but I try not to get hung up on numbers and just make is enjoyable.
 
Thank you guys for the information and that link was great too! I think I understand it a bit more. I'm trying not to be controlled by the ratios and numbers but also trying to further understand Galloway methods. Luckily it looks like I'm right on target for my goals! Now, if I can just get over this slight bit of IT band irritation without it getting worse I will be ready for the Half (and yes I have a roller, I'm stretching and icing but sure wish it would just go away :)).

Thanks again!
 

No problem. After I posted that, I wasn't sure I had explained it well. I've looked at several of Galloway's books and you get different information in each one based primarily on the distance. For example:

If your running a Magic Mile and your expecting a time near 10 min. you should take a short walk break every .25 mile. I think it's quarter mile it could be .5 mile.

If your 5K pace is in the 10 min. mile range you should run 6:00/walk :30. (9:25 MM)

Then Finally if your half marathon/Marathon/Long run pace is a 10:00 mile, you should run 3/walk 1 (8:30mm for Half Marathon, 7:41 for Marathon)

So the closer you are to your 1 mile pace the longer you run and the shorter the walk interval is, but the short time you are expected to do it in total.
 
Not the original poster, but thank you very much for the explanation. I've always wondered because Galloway says I need to do 1:1 and I can never manage to run fast enough over longer distances and it feels like interval training. 2:1 worked for me, and I'm now ready to move on to 3:1
 
Jeremy, thanks for the link. As I've mentioned, I can't run but with the calculator I am going to work on a walk/walk to improve on my times. Going to get my walking PR of 2:11:12 in the Space Coast Half Marathon closer to the 2:00:00 mark.:thumbsup2
 
Stretching and roller are probably not enough without some glute medieus strengthening as well. I had big issues with my right it band from doing the Pilates side leg series incorrectly where I overemphasized my tfl and it took me months of physical therapy to get in under control again. That glute medieus is so important.
 
It's actually very simple.

Run a "Magic Mile" time trial.
Multiply the time for your mile by 1.3.
Add two minutes.
That is your MAXIMUM speed for a training pace. Use whatever ratio is takes to get you that pace. The times for the ratios are just a guide. Use a ratio that feels right for you AND hits the time of the pace that you are looking for.

If this is a first race, you should run the race at your training pace. The Magic Mile time x 1.3 is a predictor for a PERFECT race, to all out effort, on a flat course, with sub-50 degree temps, provided that you have done all of the speed work in training. That's why it's best to run at your training pace. You WILL run faster, even using your training ratios. I ran a 13:00 pace using 15/45's in my first long race!

Derek
 
It's actually very simple.

Run a "Magic Mile" time trial.
Multiply the time for your mile by 1.3.
Add two minutes.
That is your MAXIMUM speed for a training pace. Use whatever ratio is takes to get you that pace. The times for the ratios are just a guide. Use a ratio that feels right for you AND hits the time of the pace that you are looking for.

If this is a first race, you should run the race at your training pace. The Magic Mile time x 1.3 is a predictor for a PERFECT race, to all out effort, on a flat course, with sub-50 degree temps, provided that you have done all of the speed work in training. That's why it's best to run at your training pace. You WILL run faster, even using your training ratios. I ran a 13:00 pace using 15/45's in my first long race!

Derek

That being said, I've seen different MM conversions in different places from Galloway.

On his web site it's MM*1.2 for a half marathon and MM*1.3 for a marathon. While on most of the "to finish" plans on the Run Disney web site it's MM*1.3 for the half marathon and MM*1.4 for the marathon. I'm wondering if the lack of speedwork, and the fact that people doing a "to finish" plan probably don't have the endurance is part of the reason for the difference.
 
It's just easier to use a 1.3 factor to make sure that you SLOW DOWN! The problem is in going too fast on long runs. Yes, you can use 1.2, but as I said, that's a total effort, under perfect conditions, with all speed work completed.

Speed also comes with endurance, so run at least your finish distance, if not farther in your long runs, and speed will come without the additional possibility of injury that speed work brings.

Derek
 
Using Galloway's I'll admit 1.3x gives me a more realistic estimate of my pace, where 1.2x at times seems a bit pie in the sky. I also use the McMillan running Calculator to calculate exptected finish time and training pace, especially after finish a longer event like a 5K to 10K.
 
Using Galloway's I'll admit 1.3x gives me a more realistic estimate of my pace, where 1.2x at times seems a bit pie in the sky. I also use the McMillan running Calculator to calculate exptected finish time and training pace, especially after finish a longer event like a 5K to 10K.

You can do a conversion from 5k on Jeff's website. The thing that I don't like about using McMillan (other than it gives a faster 26.2 pace prediction), is that when people start going here and there, they tend to start mixing apples and oranges in a training plan. Someone might be tempted to look at a chart from McMillan and then take to heart their suggested long run pace, which is WAY faster than the Galloway plan. It's just easier (for me) to stick to a single source that I know works.

Jeff also swears that the MM time predictions are extremely accurate, and I have found that to be the case.

I have to use 1.3 + 2 min for The Princess, because it's just a 15 mile long run weekend for me in the marathon plan. Yes, it's a race - but for me it will be a training race. I'll be nice and slow so I get to enjoy the sights on the course.

Derek
 












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