Frozen Ride opening date?

[lockedoutlogic]

You know, Disney world is the only most visited place in the Universe.

I thought sarcasm was the universal language...

Thanks for proving me wrong

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Imagine how long lines will be for this attraction!

Uh oh...dust alert!!!

 

[StarWarsJez]

Think Disney will plan to open it at the same time Frozen 3 hits theatres.

(And no that wasn't a mis-type!)

 

[Planogirl]

Where did this notion that WDW doesn't have to be innovative and interesting because of their popularity come from? Didn't being light years ahead of everyone else actually cause that popularity?

 

[DDLand]

Where did this notion that WDW doesn't have to be innovative and interesting because of their popularity come from? Didn't being light years ahead of everyone else actually cause that popularity?

Good question. This is actually common business practice along a whole range of sectors. Once you've spent millions of dollars on upgrades/R&D, businesses feel like they have earned a period where they can benefit from the work and profit from it too. It would be like if someone just totally redesigned their living room, and they intend to get several years of usage out of it. They're not going to start destroying their kitchen as soon as they've finished, because they've expended large amounts of capital to redo the living room. This is usually true, but sometimes you wait too long to start investing again. That leads to problems. Some say WDW has fallen into this trap.

Look to Tokyo Disney as a place that has stagnated over the last few years. They're still riding on the wave of Tower of Terror. While they have added a few attractions during that time, that's the last E Ticket attraction added to Disney Sea. (Unless you count TSMM) Their Disneyland Park hasn't received a new E Ticket since 1992! (Sound familiar @rteetz ?)

Also, besides the small upgrades to the Grizzly River Area, have you noticed how there's not been as many upgrades to DCA recently? Oh, or how about IOA? It's been years since HP opened.

It's just the nature of the game.

 

[Planogirl]

Good question. This is actually common business practice along a whole range of sectors. Once you've spent millions of dollars on upgrades/R&D, businesses feel like they have earned a period where they can benefit from the work and profit from it too. It would be like if someone just totally redesigned their living room, and they intend to get several years of usage out of it. They're not going to start destroying their kitchen as soon as they've finished, because they've expended large amounts of capital to redo the living room. This is usually true, but sometimes you wait too long to start investing again. That leads to problems. Some say WDW has fallen into this trap.

Look to Tokyo Disney as a place that has stagnated over the last few years. They're still riding on the wave of Tower of Terror. While they have added a few attractions during that time, that's the last E Ticket attraction added to Disney Sea. (Unless you count TSMM) Their Disneyland Park hasn't received a new E Ticket since 1992! (Sound familiar @rteetz ?)

Also, besides the small upgrades to the Grizzly River Area, have you noticed how there's not been as many upgrades to DCA recently? Oh, or how about IOA? It's been years since HP opened.

It's just the nature of the game.

I would argue that much like us when it comes to our home that WDW might be dragging out the goodwill a little too long. You can end up with way too much to do all at once.

 

[rteetz]

Good question. This is actually common business practice along a whole range of sectors. Once you've spent millions of dollars on upgrades/R&D, businesses feel like they have earned a period where they can benefit from the work and profit from it too. It would be like if someone just totally redesigned their living room, and they intend to get several years of usage out of it. They're not going to start destroying their kitchen as soon as they've finished, because they've expended large amounts of capital to redo the living room. This is usually true, but sometimes you wait too long to start investing again. That leads to problems. Some say WDW has fallen into this trap.

Look to Tokyo Disney as a place that has stagnated over the last few years. They're still riding on the wave of Tower of Terror. While they have added a few attractions during that time, that's the last E Ticket attraction added to Disney Sea. (Unless you count TSMM) Their Disneyland Park hasn't received a new E Ticket since 1992! (Sound familiar @rteetz ?)

Also, besides the small upgrades to the Grizzly River Area, have you noticed how there's not been as many upgrades to DCA recently? Oh, or how about IOA? It's been years since HP opened.

It's just the nature of the game.

I find Tokyo as an interesting place because they may not add new rides every year but they do add new entertainment. Their fireworks and parades don't last 10+ years like they do in WDW. They also recently opened up a brand new Ariel musical show. Tokyo disneysea also got a new water show I think recently. Then you have their new fantasyland project and the new frozen area that's supposed to be coming to disneysea. Disneyland in Anaheim also hasn't added a new e ticket since the early 90s. DCA had a huge amount of work done when they needed it, now you have the rumored marvel coaster there and luigis festival of dance. In Disneyland itself Star Wars taking over toontown. IOA is getting Kong and more rumors of more coming after. I think these places need to be looked at as a whole rather than park by park. NFL in MK brought more people to WDW, Avatar will do the same, potter did that for universal and they are building a water park and more hotels as we speak. In Anaheim you have the massive 60th celebration that I wish I could see in person. I still find WDW to be stagnant in the fact that they are slow at building things and entertainment except for the addition of a new favorite parade of mine in MK. DHS and AK both used to have parades I understand AK getting rid of theirs but the Pixar parade in DHS worked and made sense. Wishes and illuminations I love but they haven't changed in forever. Rivers of light will of course be a very welcomed addition.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Where did this notion that WDW doesn't have to be innovative and interesting because of their popularity come from? Didn't being light years ahead of everyone else actually cause that popularity?

Boom...

It's that the customers (pixie pounders...mostly) have now accepted the Iger approach to parks and are subconsciously supporting it/kicking it down the road

"Slap a label on it...all that matters is the IP"

That...is the six flags approach in a nutshell...

"Paint it black and it's batman...paint it blue and it's superman"

Why hasn't Disney suffered so far?
Because the quality and show put into Disney parks from 1955-1999 is being used like a big credit card... Eroding it for profit.

It's like a "reverse mortgage"... Be careful or you may end up with nothing.

 

[DanBoris]

Permit filed Feb 3 for "Norway Attraction Rehab" has December 31, 2016 as the final date for completion.

To me, it would make sense to open it the same time as the Meet & Greet to try and help dilute the crowds, and since that is being built from ground up and the trees have barely come down ... I don't see early 2015.

The main permit for the Maelstrom part of the project expires 9/16/2015. Based on the address the one filed in Feb might be for the M&G despite the fact that it says "rehab". I think the ride will open before the M&G.

 

[SalutemyShorts]

Double Post

 

[SalutemyShorts]

Good question. This is actually common business practice along a whole range of sectors. Once you've spent millions of dollars on upgrades/R&D, businesses feel like they have earned a period where they can benefit from the work and profit from it too. It would be like if someone just totally redesigned their living room, and they intend to get several years of usage out of it. They're not going to start destroying their kitchen as soon as they've finished, because they've expended large amounts of capital to redo the living room. This is usually true, but sometimes you wait too long to start investing again. That leads to problems. Some say WDW has fallen into this trap.

Look to Tokyo Disney as a place that has stagnated over the last few years. They're still riding on the wave of Tower of Terror. While they have added a few attractions during that time, that's the last E Ticket attraction added to Disney Sea. (Unless you count TSMM) Their Disneyland Park hasn't received a new E Ticket since 1992! (Sound familiar @rteetz ?)

Also, besides the small upgrades to the Grizzly River Area, have you noticed how there's not been as many upgrades to DCA recently? Oh, or how about IOA? It's been years since HP opened.

It's just the nature of the game.

Just a note about IOA, they're actually building a HUGE King Kong attraction right now. Universal should also be starting a 3rd water based park shortly, and have plans to expand Wizarding World further. Rumors are also saying that depending on Jurassic World, there could be some updates to that area as well.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Alot more in a much smaller space...

Though admittedly...UOR has alot more rope to climb

 

[SalutemyShorts]

Alot more in a much smaller space...

Though admittedly...UOR has alot more rope to climb

Absolutely, there's a lot to be said for the size difference and need for expansion on Universal's part. Still, they're creating and completely pretty amazing and immersive projects in a much shorter time than it's been taking Disney. Apparently Universal is aiming for a Fast and Furious ride, and something based around the 30 Rock building in NYC, too.

 

[rteetz]

Just a note about IOA, they're actually building a HUGE King Kong attraction right now. Universal should also be starting a 3rd water based park shortly, and have plans to expand Wizarding World further. Rumors are also saying that depending on Jurassic World, there could be some updates to that area as well.

Technically this would be UORs fourth total park because they own wet and wild this would be their second water park. Rumor has it that they might demolish that for a third theme park.

 

[HopperFan]

The main permit for the Maelstrom part of the project expires 9/16/2015. Based on the address the one filed in Feb might be for the M&G despite the fact that it says "rehab". I think the ride will open before the M&G.

The permitting for Norway has been very vague and limited considering they had to gut the existing ride, reconfigure queues to handle the expected crowds, probable tapping in to the adjacent store, build out the entire ride and this is after the imagineering that is to be installed is built. From reports the gut wasn't even done until the end of 2014. It also would not be unheard of for there to be adjustments to permits particularly since the first permit only gave them one year.

Sept permit is a vague reference to "PROJECT 6" - no more. Feb permit is "NORWAY ATTRACTION REHAB" - given that there is no attraction existing to rehab where the meet & greet is to go, who knows if this was an incorrect work order or address. I think the only thing we know is that a Frozen ride is going in to the former Maelstrom ride and nothing more. All our predictions are based on very limited tidbits of information.

 

[SalutemyShorts]

Technically this would be UORs fourth total park because they own wet and wild this would be their second water park. Rumor has it that they might demolish that for a third theme park.

Yeah, I can see them demolishing it after Volcano Bay(is that still supposed to be the name) opens. Although, VB is supposed to be more of a hybrid water park, with a lot more than just slides. They're wanting to do a lot with water based attractions and rides. I'm not a water park person at all, but this has me excited.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Yeah, I can see them demolishing it after Volcano Bay(is that still supposed to be the name) opens. Although, VB is supposed to be more of a hybrid water park, with a lot more than just slides. They're wanting to do a lot with water based attractions and rides. I'm not a water park person at all, but this has me excited.

Agreed... Waterparks were all the rage in the 80's and eay 90s...

But tastes have changed as there are more local/regional attractions offering similar or better than pools and plunges. (Not to mention liability from the business side)

Sea world has paced the field here... As not only did they pioneer the water coaster... But discovery cove and aquatica were groundbreaking and successful.

The Roberts over at Comcast could capture some of that synergy and use it to their advantage.

Innovation...you know... That could result in successes and profits if you bother to do it

 

[SalutemyShorts]

Agreed... Waterparks were all the rage in the 80's and eay 90s...

But tastes have changed as there are more local/regional attractions offering similar or better than pools and plunges. (Not to mention liability from the business side)

Sea world has paced the field here... As not only did they pioneer the water coaster... But discovery cove and aquatics were groundbreaking and successful.

The Roberts over at Comcast could capture some of that synergy and use it to their advantage.

Innovation...you know... That could result in successes and profits if you bother to do it

Universal really lucked out with Harry Potter, well I guess it's not really luck considering they had the foresight to let Rowling have the control she wanted. They've basically got a money printing machine to fund their future ventures. With Matt Smith in the running to lead the Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them trilogy, they'd have a huge windfall. I can see them fast tracking any future Wizarding World plans just to be able to incorporate this. You'd have the Dr. Who fanbase, which is very loyal plus the Harry Potter fan base which is very broad and has a very large and loyal group within it. They'd also probably receive a larger influx of one of Orlando theme parks' favorite group of tourist, the Brits, with this Dr. Who connection.

 

[rteetz]

Yeah, I can see them demolishing it after Volcano Bay(is that still supposed to be the name) opens. Although, VB is supposed to be more of a hybrid water park, with a lot more than just slides. They're wanting to do a lot with water based attractions and rides. I'm not a water park person at all, but this has me excited.

The permits filed do still call it volcano bay. They volcano is supposed to be the centerpiece and then three area spawn off of it such as a lazy river and wave pool and something else. It's not going to be the biggest water park but something that could do well for universal. I live in Wisconsin and we have the Wisconsin dells, which is full of water parks including Americas largest (at least it was a year or so ago). They also have the Kalahari, wilderness lodge, great wolf lodge, all sorts of stuff. So while these Orlando water parks are probably better themed I think we have better slides, and rides.

 

[DDLand]

I find Tokyo as an interesting place because they may not add new rides every year but they do add new entertainment. Their fireworks and parades don't last 10+ years like they do in WDW. They also recently opened up a brand new Ariel musical show. Tokyo disneysea also got a new water show I think recently. Then you have their new fantasyland project and the new frozen area that's supposed to be coming to disneysea. Disneyland in Anaheim also hasn't added a new e ticket since the early 90s. DCA had a huge amount of work done when they needed it, now you have the rumored marvel coaster there and luigis festival of dance. In Disneyland itself Star Wars taking over toontown. IOA is getting Kong and more rumors of more coming after. I think these places need to be looked at as a whole rather than park by park. NFL in MK brought more people to WDW, Avatar will do the same, potter did that for universal and they are building a water park and more hotels as we speak. In Anaheim you have the massive 60th celebration that I wish I could see in person. I still find WDW to be stagnant in the fact that they are slow at building things and entertainment except for the addition of a new favorite parade of mine in MK. DHS and AK both used to have parades I understand AK getting rid of theirs but the Pixar parade in DHS worked and made sense. Wishes and illuminations I love but they haven't changed in forever. Rivers of light will of course be a very welcomed addition.

Tokyo is stagnate. A Little Mermaid Show and Flying Carpet aren't going to cut it. Promises of two more lands are overshadowed by the fact that it could be years until those projects are done. 2020 and beyond. The new entertainment options are primarily to capitalize on anniversary celebrations in a cheap way.

Sound similiar to another player we know?

It's already been around 3 years since DCA finished upgrades. It could be 2017 or maybe even 2018-19 before the Marvel ride is ready. They winded down investment because they're riding the wave.

IOA, 5 years since they opened. Kong may not come until 2016. 5 or 6 years? Riding the the wave.

Note, I'm not criticizing these operations. I'm just pointing out that these products are riding a wave.

The argument I'm making is simply that WDW is following a long history of investing in major attractions, and then holding off further investment for a while. It's no coincidence that after theme parks like Tokyo Disney Sea and Epcot were finished, they eliminated hundreds of jobs. That's how these projects work.

Now some have argued that WDW has waited too long to start ramping up construction. They contend that WDW has become either too stagnate to recover or they're missing out on major growth. I wouldn't be so sure. I think they're making investments in thoughtful targeted ways. When they do start moving, they'll know exactly what they want.