FP--- Disney has become too regimented

Rhody73

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My wife and I went to Disney for a day trip yesterday since we winter in Florida. Over the years, we have enjoyed about 15 Disney weekly vacations mostly staying inside at each of the moderate or value resorts multiple times. Like many visitors we have seen a plethora of changes. But I really think Fast Pass has taken a lot of the enjoyment out of Disney. I would assume Disney put a lot of thought into adding FP. They also spent big bucks redesigning just about every attraction to handle separate entrances. I am sure the continual price increases the lst few years reflect the implementation of FP. But I don't see the advantage of the system to the average visitor.

To my wife and I travelling without children, Disney can be pretty easy to navigate. We went to the Magic Kingdom so we made sure the waether was good and then booked a few days before a FP for Haunted Mansion, Pirates and Peter Pan. As soon as we arrived at 9:00am we went right to 7 Dwarfs and just waited for the 60 minutes. I realize it is the hottest attraction and a 60 minute wait is no big deal for adults. WE then wandered around and picked and chose ridesmany of which are the ones our kids never wanted to ride. But things like Small World had at least a 30 minute wait all day. Peter Pan posted a 70 min wait most of the day but we had a FP and walked right on. People Mover had a line!!! Since going to Disney beginning in 1975, I have never seen a line extending into the common area for People Mover( for oldtimers Wedway). Attractions like Hall of Presidents, Carousel of Progress and Country Bear were deserted. According to the crowd websit yeasterday was a 6 out of 10 crowd. My overall impressions:

1. Big attractions like PP( 70 minute wait) has the same waiting times e that it did before FP came along. If the crowd is the same size why doesn't FP lower the standy-by times since some portion of the crowd go through the FP line.

2. Remember when you went to Disney at opening, did those 2 or 3 must see attractions before 10 or 11 and then played it by "ear". Well I felt sorry for one family in line at the Haunted House whose 2 8-10 year olds wanted lunch but Dad said the had to wait a while because they couldn't not use a FP. Just as bad as another young couple where the husband hollered to the wife to take their 10 yr old on HH with their FP and he would skip it since the 5 or 6 year old was sound asleep in his arms.

3. Everything but the "dead attractions" now have lines. Before, certain secondary attractions like Small World had certain times of day like lunch parade time etc where the wait was 5 minutes. We pased it avout 3 times yesterday and the wait was always 30 minutes.

4. A friend told me about going for 6 days and booking fast passes for 5 and picking mid-week for Typhoon Lagoon. Unfortunately it rained on the Wednesday and they had to change days and lost out on the FP advantage.

5. I will be honest. If you were an organized Disney visitor who had a basic plan before you arrived at the park each day, it was pretty easy to see everything you wanted to. However, the person who slept in and just arrived at noon with no plan probably struggled to get their to-do list accomplished. I remember when the kids were 5-9, we would always take a break around 1:00 and go back and let the kids hit the pool or nap and go back around 4-5. I think that idea would really limit your ability to see everything you wanted in the age of FP.

6. Yesterday was a very enjoyable day for my wife and I. The only must-see we had was 7 Dwarfs and we accomplished that. We did go to many of the things the average person does not go to because we had to skip them for the teenagers many times. But I think the average family needs more days at the park to accomplish what we used to do with 2 children. I really think FP forced you to spend more time waiting for all the rides not less.

7. I think a Disney vacation is not a project that requires a lot of work and planning. That would not bother me becuase I like toresearch a trip. But I know a lot of people who like to show up on a vacation and not pre-plan. Do that nowadays at Disney and you will be one of many I saw yesterday growling rather than smiling.

8. Maybe FP for only the top 2 or 3 attractions would be a good idea.
 
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My wife and I went to Disney for a day trip yesterday since we winter in Florida. Over the years, we have enjoyed about 15 Disney weekly vacations mostly staying inside at each of the moderate or value resorts multiple times. Like many visitors we have seen a plethora of changes. But I really think Fast Pass has taken a lot of the enjoyment out of Disney. I would assume Disney put a lot of thought into adding FP. They also spent big bucks redesigning just about every attraction to handle separate entrances. I am sure the continual price increases the lst few years reflect the implementation of FP. But I don't see the advantage of the system to the average visitor.

To my wife and I travelling without children, Disney can be pretty easy to navigate. We went to the Magic Kingdom so we made sure the waether was good and then booked a few days before a FP for Haunted Mansion, Pirates and Peter Pan. As soon as we arrived at 9:00am we went right to 7 Dwarfs and just waited for the 60 minutes. I realize it is the hottest attraction and a 60 minute wait is no big deal for adults. WE then wandered around and picked and chose ridesmany of which are the ones our kids never wanted to ride. But things like Small World had at least a 30 minute wait all day. Peter Pan posted a 70 min wait most of the day but we had a FP and walked right on. People Mover had a line!!! Since going to Disney beginning in 1975, I have never seen a line extending into the common area for People Mover( for oldtimers Wedway). Attractions like Hall of Presidents, Carousel of Progress and Country Bear were deserted. According to the crowd websit yeasterday was a 6 out of 10 crowd. My overall impressions:

1. Big attractions like PP( 70 minute wait) has the same waiting times e that it did before FP came along. If the crowd is the same size why doesn't FP lower the standy-by times since some portion of the crowd go through the FP line.

2. Remember when you went to Disney at opening, did those 2 or 3 must see attractions before 10 or 11 and then played it by "ear". Well I felt sorry for one family in line at the Haunted House whose 2 8-10 year olds wanted lunch but Dad said the had to wait a while because they couldn't not use a FP. Just as bad as another young couple where the husband hollered to the wife to take their 10 yr old on HH with their FP and he would skip it since the 5 or 6 year old was sound asleep in his arms.

3. Everything but the "dead attractions" now have lines. Before, certain secondary attractions like Small World had certain times of day like lunch parade time etc where the wait was 5 minutes. We pased it avout 3 times yesterday and the wait was always 30 minutes.

4. A friend told me about going for 6 days and booking fast passes for 5 and picking mid-week for Typhoon Lagoon. Unfortunately it rained on the Wednesday and they had to change days and lost out on the FP advantage.

5. I will be honest. If you were an organized Disney visitor who had a basic plan before you arrived at the park each day, it was pretty easy to see everything you wanted to. However, the person who slept in and just arrived at noon with no plan probably struggled to get their to-do list accomplished. I remember when the kids were 5-9, we would always take a break around 1:00 and go back and let the kids hit the pool or nap and go back around 4-5. I think that idea would really limit your ability to see everything you wanted in the age of FP.

6. Yesterday was a very enjoyable day for my wife and I. The only must-see we had was 7 Dwarfs and we accomplished that. We did go to many of the things the average person does not go to because we had to skip them for the teenagers many times. But I think the average family needs more days at the park to accomplish what we used to do with 2 children. I really think FP forced you to spend more time waiting for all the rides not less.

7. I think a Disney vacation is not a project that requires a lot of work and planning. That would not bother me becuase I like toresearch a trip. But I know a lot of people who like to show up on a vacation and not pre-plan. Do that nowadays at Disney and you will be one of many I saw yesterday growling rather than smiling.
 
I probably should have added, FP would be a lot better if it was only for 2 or 3 top attractions in each park.
 
Thanks for posting your thoughts. It's informative to read about long-time WDW visitors' impressions of the FP+ system. I agree with you- the level of planning now required to have a successful WDW trip is astounding! The affect on secondary attractions like People Mover and IASW is disappointing as well. A 30 min wait for IASW consistently throughout a late-April day doesn't sound too great. Also, by equalizing the lines with FP+, it doesn't sound like there are many opportunities for walk on rides like there used to be.
 

I agree. I'm a show up to the park around 10 am kind of person and I tried very hard to pre plan our last vacation. We truly had a better time when I dumped the plans and we just went. We didn't stay long and ended up at the resort in the pool. One of our best days there!
 
Bingo ... they want you to stay longer thereby using a hotel room and eating meals ... and not going to other Orlando attractions ... you become a captive as you have spent so much money on the tickets.
 
I agree. I'm a show up to the park around 10 am kind of person and I tried very hard to pre plan our last vacation. We truly had a better time when I dumped the plans and we just went. We didn't stay long and ended up at the resort in the pool. One of our best days there!

I wonder how long before people figure out there are cheaper pools out there to swim in. ;)

Bingo ... they want you to stay longer thereby using a hotel room and eating meals ... and not going to other Orlando attractions ... you become a captive as you have spent so much money on the tickets.

That's a gamble they could still end up losing.
 
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You can still do Disney by "ear", it just requires some planning, if that makes any sense. You have to have a loose layout of your plans and book your FP you want. Then go in the park and do what you want, when you can, and you may or may not need the FPs.
 
I agree with the OP. We only go during low season and lines sure seem longer. I find the whole FP experience to be time-consuming to the point that the last 4 trips I only go 4 days to the parks during a 7+ day vacation because I don't want to mess with more planning. The planning used to be my favorite part of the trip.
 
In discussions on these boards, I believe one of the popular consensus answers is that WDW doesn't care about accommodating their repeat visitors, and has used FP+ to "level the playing field" by making it easier for first-time visitors to get some availability to the E-ticket rides without having to make it to rope drop (something they won't likely be aware of unless they're experienced or did extensive pre-trip research and planning).

That said, that's certainly not my personal position, and I thank you for sharing your perceptions. Maybe if enough people shared similar perceptions, WDW might re-think certain aspects of their FP+ procedures.
 
Completely agree OP. We have tried FP+ vacations twice and have decided that WDW is no longer a great vacation destination for us. First of all, it was hard figuring out which rides we wanted to FP+. With FP+, it's unlikely that you will be able to get a 4th FP for a headliner attraction, so the stakes seem much higher with FP+.

Then when you are in the parks. it's hard to find attractions that have SB lines that are less than 20 minutes. I saw the same thing you did, families who were being controlled by ride reservations as opposed to what their kids wanted to see or do. I just don't think a WDW vacation is worth the hassle. I was hoping changing our strategies would help on our second FP+ trip, but it was very disappointing.
 
My wife and I went to Disney for a day trip yesterday since we winter in Florida. Over the years, we have enjoyed about 15 Disney weekly vacations mostly staying inside at each of the moderate or value resorts multiple times. Like many visitors we have seen a plethora of changes. But I really think Fast Pass has taken a lot of the enjoyment out of Disney. I would assume Disney put a lot of thought into adding FP. They also spent big bucks redesigning just about every attraction to handle separate entrances. I am sure the continual price increases the lst few years reflect the implementation of FP. But I don't see the advantage of the system to the average visitor.

To my wife and I travelling without children, Disney can be pretty easy to navigate. We went to the Magic Kingdom so we made sure the waether was good and then booked a few days before a FP for Haunted Mansion, Pirates and Peter Pan. As soon as we arrived at 9:00am we went right to 7 Dwarfs and just waited for the 60 minutes. I realize it is the hottest attraction and a 60 minute wait is no big deal for adults. WE then wandered around and picked and chose ridesmany of which are the ones our kids never wanted to ride. But things like Small World had at least a 30 minute wait all day. Peter Pan posted a 70 min wait most of the day but we had a FP and walked right on. People Mover had a line!!! Since going to Disney beginning in 1975, I have never seen a line extending into the common area for People Mover( for oldtimers Wedway). Attractions like Hall of Presidents, Carousel of Progress and Country Bear were deserted. According to the crowd websit yeasterday was a 6 out of 10 crowd. My overall impressions:

1. Big attractions like PP( 70 minute wait) has the same waiting times e that it did before FP came along. If the crowd is the same size why doesn't FP lower the standy-by times since some portion of the crowd go through the FP line.

2. Remember when you went to Disney at opening, did those 2 or 3 must see attractions before 10 or 11 and then played it by "ear". Well I felt sorry for one family in line at the Haunted House whose 2 8-10 year olds wanted lunch but Dad said the had to wait a while because they couldn't not use a FP. Just as bad as another young couple where the husband hollered to the wife to take their 10 yr old on HH with their FP and he would skip it since the 5 or 6 year old was sound asleep in his arms.

3. Everything but the "dead attractions" now have lines. Before, certain secondary attractions like Small World had certain times of day like lunch parade time etc where the wait was 5 minutes. We pased it avout 3 times yesterday and the wait was always 30 minutes.

4. A friend told me about going for 6 days and booking fast passes for 5 and picking mid-week for Typhoon Lagoon. Unfortunately it rained on the Wednesday and they had to change days and lost out on the FP advantage.

5. I will be honest. If you were an organized Disney visitor who had a basic plan before you arrived at the park each day, it was pretty easy to see everything you wanted to. However, the person who slept in and just arrived at noon with no plan probably struggled to get their to-do list accomplished. I remember when the kids were 5-9, we would always take a break around 1:00 and go back and let the kids hit the pool or nap and go back around 4-5. I think that idea would really limit your ability to see everything you wanted in the age of FP.

6. Yesterday was a very enjoyable day for my wife and I. The only must-see we had was 7 Dwarfs and we accomplished that. We did go to many of the things the average person does not go to because we had to skip them for the teenagers many times. But I think the average family needs more days at the park to accomplish what we used to do with 2 children. I really think FP forced you to spend more time waiting for all the rides not less.

7. I think a Disney vacation is not a project that requires a lot of work and planning. That would not bother me becuase I like toresearch a trip. But I know a lot of people who like to show up on a vacation and not pre-plan. Do that nowadays at Disney and you will be one of many I saw yesterday growling rather than smiling.

8. Maybe FP for only the top 2 or 3 attractions would be a good idea.


Rhody, my husband and I tour this way also,, BUT as you are, we are retired and go when we want to. We also waited in line to ride 7dmt for 60 minutes and I'm glad we did. We had a fp+ for our last day, but couldn't ride it at all due to a torrential downpour all day. If we had waited for our fp, we would have missed out on our last day. I agree with everyone of your points. It's okay for people like us, but let's face it. WDW wants younger people with families who will repeat their trips for many years to come. I feel bad for the families with small children and even teenagers (who don't always want to go with the plan:). Heaven forbid if a little one is sick or tired! Nope, must ride that ride or miss out on our only chance for a shorter wait! It must be a pain in the bottom for them. I like to just change things up a little and change our park on a whim. Nope, can't do that anymore cause we miss out on fp for TSM. So, I just wish WDW would fix this so ALL of the guests can enjoy the parks without all this preplanning stuff!
 
1. Big attractions like PP( 70 minute wait) has the same waiting times e that it did before FP came along. If the crowd is the same size why doesn't FP lower the standy-by times since some portion of the crowd go through the FP line.

5. I will be honest. If you were an organized Disney visitor who had a basic plan before you arrived at the park each day, it was pretty easy to see everything you wanted to. However, the person who slept in and just arrived at noon with no plan probably struggled to get their to-do list accomplished. I remember when the kids were 5-9, we would always take a break around 1:00 and go back and let the kids hit the pool or nap and go back around 4-5. I think that idea would really limit your ability to see everything you wanted in the age of FP.
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Items worth noting

on #1 - The crowd isn't the same size. Attendance is up. So FP didn't lower stand by times at all. Increased them in may cases but it's hard to pin that 100% on FP since overall attendance is up. FP impacted the lines some, just not all. A level 6 crowd today is more people than a level 6 crowd of even 4 years ago.

Item #5 - We do that all the time. It is still a very common way to tour. And works very well. We see everything without an issue. FP actually can make this easier. Tour without them in the AM, break and then use your FP upon the return.
 
On our most recent Orlando visit, we skipped WDW for all of the above.

We've been going to WDW for ages. I think we've tried all the reasonable 'trips' and touring strategies out there. I never thought WDW push us away, but they finally have done it. Such a shame!

The kicker for us, was we finally attempted a combo trip last year- part Tampa- part WDW - part Universal. Our WDW days were by far the most $$$ and least relaxing. Off-WDW, we had better food, pools, and service for a fraction of the $.
It was finally the contrast that awoke us to far how WDW has slipped.

US is paying attention to what we want in park touring. Our offsite days were also lots of fun. The most stressful part of our offsite days was when I attempted to use MDE!

It is very sad to see how far WDW has slipped. We looked the other while while small losses were happening; lesser quality food, price increases on primary items: rooms/tickets, secondary price increases on food/merchandise, cleanliness.

Disney always used to do a great job balancing nostalgia with innovation. Then we realized- Tomorrowland, Future World and Imagination don't have anything innovative any more. So sad!

Instead of fixing WDW's flaws, Disney has chose to punish their guests. So sad.
 
I don't understand what other options there are to the increased crowds at Disney? If they did away with FP+, we would all be standing in 2 hour lines. Everyone wants spontaneity, and the ability to sleep in until 10am, then walk on the rides. The only possible solution is that Disney restricts the number of guests. I go every year knowing it will be very busy. I get on my fav rides thanks to the FP+ system. I also ride many other thanks to EMH.
For all those who hate the FP+ and crowds what is your solution?
Just curious, I hate crowds too, when enough people stop going to WDW , things should get better.
 
I have been questioning the logic behind park hopping with the new system and the additional costs. Doesn't seem to make much sense anymore as your hands are really tied with FP+
 
No, most people that post on here are not wanting or expecting to sleep in until 10 a.m. and then walk on rides. I don't think we are required to come up with an alternative to FP+ just because we believe it is a bad idea. Spontaneity has been increasingly difficult at Disney the last few years. Making dining reservations six months out is a pain for a lot of people. I can't, and I don't. Do I make reservations sometimes and eat mostly where I want to? Sure. But in order to manage that, I have given up the ability to decide on Monday what park I want to visit on Wednesday. If a storm blows in, I still show up at CRT or lose my money. I get my behind to BOG by 5 p.m. even though I have an exhausted 5 year old, or we don't eat at BOG this trip.

Are there exceptions? Yes. Do some people love it? Yes.

I found out last week that my college aged son has a final exam on what we thought would be our first park day- NEXT WEEK. I suddenly needed to shift things around. I could take our original first day plan, and tack it onto the back of the trip, without disturbing our carefully arranged plans for the other park days, right? Nope. I mean... I could, but the FP+ didn't line up at all and the available ADRs aren't worth crossing the street for. So I literally spent 6 hours last week, rearranging the entire trip. The only day I left alone was the MK day, because I could never replace the BOG ADR, the 7D FP, the PP FP. Everything else got flipped upside down. It was like playing 52 card pick up. :-) There is seriously 7 hours of my life I will not get back. ha ha.

We will go and enjoy ourselves and have a good time. And I have always like planning trips some. I liked creating a framework of ideas of things to do. And then, as you realize you are too tired, or not actually interested, or would rather do a different ride... we would adjust. That just isn't so easy anymore. I hate, and I mean HATE, having to pick a 1 hour window of time to show up at Space Mountain or maybe face an hour line. I also HATE the news I am hearing that the various line apps are no longer accurate. That was one way I still really managed to move around on the fly. We would frequently do something with a 5 minute wait time that I would never have bothered with before.

But if our family had encountered these types of issues at WDW when the kids were young (all grown up now)- we would have wound up spending park time in other places, not Disney. It is too regimented for us to enjoy the way we used to.
 

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