Forget it - not worth the effort

[mking624]

Wow! So I guess you are saying that in your entire life you have never repeated something someone else told you? That's a hard thing to do.

So because I am trying to remind others of the importance of being cautious before repeating things you don't know to be true, you need to be sarcastic to me about it?

If I don't know the facts, then no, I don't repeat it (and if I DO know the facts and it can harm someone's reputation, I find it callous to speak of it anyway...makes ME look bad because all I'm trying to gain out of it is tearing someone else down). I've been burned by people who felt the need to do that way too many times to turn around and do it to someone else. It's more important to me to find out the truth of a situation before I go and potentially harm a person's reputation. Sorry, but I find nothing to be sarcastic about in that.

 

[mking624]

I deleted my original post b/c I didn't really feel like turning this into a thread questioning my integrity - someone I know told me this story - I was APALLED by it and wanted to see what the reaction of other DISers might be -

when I started this thread I NEVER dreamed in a million years that people would say that I made it up or the person who told me did -or question my integrity or accuse me of slander -

why is perfectly okay to say - my sister saw Belle at Toontown fair on her last visit and be believed but I have no right to relay a story about Disney told to me -

I did not identify this Aurora in any way - I did not contact Disney about the incident - I posted to see your reactions

Thank you BeattyFamily - I think most people around here know me and that I am not one to just go making things up - and to be honest - I feel sorry for people who are distrustful of everything they hear - maybe I am gullible or naive - but I tend to see the good in people - hasn't failed me yet!

I can speak for myself on this...
I was not questioning your integrity. I don't know you to be able to critique your integrity. For me, there IS a difference between saying someone enjoyed something and saying that so-and-so did something bad. One is how an individual personally feels about an experience and the other can potential harm another's reputation. The latter is damaging, whether or not it's true (for example, people who read this can very easily cast a weary eye on any Aurora they come across in the parks, now). In your original post, you never said it was someone you *knew*. You said it was a waitress at a place you went out to eat at. This doesn't indicate a close friendship where honesty reigns. I'm not saying this woman was most definitely dishonest, but it sounded like it was coming from a complete stranger. Having had things like this happen to me personally, it's frustrating to me when I see "a stranger told me, so it must be true." It very well may be true. None of us but that waitress knows for sure. It's not that I am distrustful of everything I hear (so no need to feel sorry for me), but I think it's important to be cautious before we all jump to believe the worst of a situation (especially if the situation is coming from someone we don't know or know well). You said you tend to see the good in people...so before we point fingers at an "Aurora", try to see the good in her too.

 

[DianeV]

We are pretty friendly with the waitresses at a restaurant we go to alot but I wouldnt consider any of them my "friend"..I would believe something they told me though and not think they were lying (they would have no reason to)

 

[SuperGurl]

I just came across this thread. Cannot believe the attack I saw on OP. Let's go back to being cool with one another. Please.

 

[Lucky4me]

So Aurora needed a smoke. Who cares?
This is not something I would get upset about especially since the 4yo didn't even understand. The Mom could have said Aurora said she needed a coke, honey. She must be thirsty. To say that something like that could ruin your trip is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

 

[dawgsgirl]

julia and nicks mom--

Sorry my fellow dissers attacked you. One thing I have noticed about these boards is that you NEVER say anything negative about Disney. It will get you in a lot of trouble!

 

[bicker]

To be fair, I don't see this kind of reaction to everything negative about Disney, but rather only to things so outrageous that they're not readily believable without proof. There are many Disney boards that have been wracked by folks who have a bone to pick with Disney, for some perceived slight, and have used online forums without adequate moderation as their whipping post for their frustration. That's made a lot of Disney fans very sensitive to unsubstantiated reports of such an inflammable nature. It is unfortunate that this DIS veteran was the target of the skepticism this time.

In God We Trust -- all others bring a notarized affidavit.

 

[lovethattink]

My family and I are at WDW frequently, (at least once a week.) Over the years, I think we've seen just about everything. There are so many incidents where characters were out of character, CM's arguing with each other in front of guests, managers confronting subordinates in front of guests, etc. The incident that sticks in my head the most happened at POR food court. 3 CM were arguing over the "toothpicks" to put into a burger. The argument actually got pretty heated and lasted over 10 minutes til my husband cleared his throat and told them he didn't plan to eat the "toothpicks", but he'd really like the burger before it got cold.

With that being said, these negative experiences don't happen often. I think when they do happen, they stick in our head because they are so rare.

I've also noticed that the magic that is so common, becomes expected and we take it for granted. We've had so many magical moments that we find ourselves wanting more. For example, once we were asked if we wanted to ride Spaceship Earth. We said sure. The CM took us inside through a different entrance and put us right on without waiting in line! Another time, it was close to closing and ds and my niece and nephew wanted icecream. They arrived and were told the man in front of them was the last customer. The CM and his manager saw the disappointment on the kid's face. They did the sale, then walked up to the 3 kids and gave them Mickey bars! They were so happy!

Ok, enough babble. Here's my point. As for the doubts the OP has raised, yes, that would be very rare. However, once when I took ds(at the time 3 months) up to Winnie the Pooh, he kissed him and told him (yes in regular speech), "I love you." As we walked away DS(10years old) at the time. Said, "Mom, I thought Pooh wasn't allowed to speak." We chalked it up as another magical experience. How often do you get a non-speaking character to speak!? So to the OP, yes, I do see it possible for Aurora to be out of character. It's just sad it would be that much out of character.

 

[peter11435]

I deleted my original post b/c I didn't really feel like turning this into a thread questioning my integrity - someone I know told me this story - I was APALLED by it and wanted to see what the reaction of other DISers might be -

when I started this thread I NEVER dreamed in a million years that people would say that I made it up or the person who told me did -or question my integrity or accuse me of slander -

why is perfectly okay to say - my sister saw Belle at Toontown fair on her last visit and be believed but I have no right to relay a story about Disney told to me -

I did not identify this Aurora in any way - I did not contact Disney about the incident - I posted to see your reactions

Thank you BeattyFamily - I think most people around here know me and that I am not one to just go making things up - and to be honest - I feel sorry for people who are distrustful of everything they hear - maybe I am gullible or naive - but I tend to see the good in people - hasn't failed me yet!

I don't think anyone was trying to say you made the story up, nor was anyone questioning your integrity or trying to accuse you of slander. I‘m sorry if you thought that but that’s simply not true. We were just questioning your story. And we have good reason to question your story has neither you nor we have any proof that it took place, and the event does sound outrageous. And I too see the good in people, and I listen to everything people tell me, but unless I have proof I just move on, because more often than not people are misinformed or just plain wrong.

 

[bicker]

It need not even be as definitive as "wrong" or even "misinformed" -- different folks have different perspectives with regard to what is or is not appropriate, what is or is not "within range of the hearing of...", etc. Without video evidence, from three different cameras so we can get a forensic perspective , it's just a second-hand, anecdotal and subjective report. As such, and even if it was a first-hand report, my response is, "Well, that's an interesting story. It doesn't jive with my personal experience or that of many other people, but thanks for sharing." That interchange should be acceptable to all sides, IMHO.

Folks should never "attack" the relayer of anecdotes, of course. However, especially online, neither should folks take offense that their anecdotes aren't believed. Sometimes I don't believe things my mother tells me!

 

[TinkerbellMama]

and if all this was on the up and up why would they delete them?? I just don't get it? Are people posting these things to get a rise out of others? to start something?

JMO, but she probably deleted it because people were telling her she was dumb to believe the story. And I don't agree with the majority.

 

[peter11435]

JMO, but she probably deleted it because people were telling her she was dumb to believe the story. And I don't agree with the majority.

Where do you people get this stuff, nobody ever said nor implied that the OP was dumb for believing the story. And nobody attacked her for her story. We were just questioning the accuracy of the information she was given, which is a perfectly normal thing to do.

 

[Ready to go in Ok]

WOW........things do get personal here. to the OP.

 

[TigrLvsPooh]

I think it could happen. I mean, some of these kids are college students and this girl thought she was saying something to a friend and didn't know anyone else could/would hear her. I don't think its too far fetched. I also think its possible she could have been misunderstood. Maybe it just sounded like "smoke". Either way, it makes no difference to me. My kids know the characters are people and wouldn't be phased. We are all human and make mistakes. Even the characters!!!!

 

[lillygator]

I deleted my original post b/c I didn't really feel like turning this into a thread questioning my integrity - someone I know told me this story - I was APALLED by it and wanted to see what the reaction of other DISers might be -

when I started this thread I NEVER dreamed in a million years that people would say that I made it up or the person who told me did -or question my integrity or accuse me of slander -

why is perfectly okay to say - my sister saw Belle at Toontown fair on her last visit and be believed but I have no right to relay a story about Disney told to me -

I did not identify this Aurora in any way - I did not contact Disney about the incident - I posted to see your reactions

Thank you BeattyFamily - I think most people around here know me and that I am not one to just go making things up - and to be honest - I feel sorry for people who are distrustful of everything they hear - maybe I am gullible or naive - but I tend to see the good in people - hasn't failed me yet!

after being on the DIS boards a while - I have noticed that quite a bit of things get taken out of context...if you were posting to see others reactions, did you only think you would get those that agree with you to post? As a public board we all need to be prepared for whatever anyone posts, should everyone just believe what each other says? Yes, I believe in the good of people but you came here posting something to see what others reactions were and then when people posted questioning it or saying they don't believe it, you go back and delete you posts....(which is what I am posting regarding) that just makes it seem a little off to me....especially the thread that happened the day before with another DIS'er.

- I think your story (from what I can gather from the quoted posts) could happen, I mean we all have bad days....

 

[lillygator]

and after going back and rereading this thread...I don't think anyone "attacked" the OP....some questioned the validity of the story which we all have the right to do....but that isn't attacking someone.

here are most of the non agreeing posts and I don't see them as "attacking"

To be honest I wouldn't believe her story. Characters are never allowed to be "out-of-character" while on stage. Doing so means they will be immediately terminated.

I also find that hard to believe. I know the training is very extensive. Who did she supposedly say that to?

Was she sure it was Aurora? Sounds more like something Cruella would say in character.

Because 5 years later, the 9 inch trout I caught became a 100 pound swordfish.

I really don't believe that either. We just got back and every single character we met was wonderful. We went to the Princess Room in Toontown and they were so great. They were so in character!

I really don't believe it either. It's a pretty coveted thing to be one of the princesses and something tells me that a slip like that wouldn't happen. They are very aware of what they are doing and saying.
People will lie for no reason at all except to get attention. Even attention that gains pity or something is reason enough to bring up a lie. You may believe she had no reason to lie to you, but why exactly do you think you have reason to trust everything she says?

Well, I suppose it could have happened, but it also just as plausible that Aurora said something else and was misunderstood. After all, how may folks thought "take off and go" from Aladdin said "take off your clothes"? If she was concerned, the OPs friend should have reported it.

You should hear some of the "interpatations" my dd (5) comes up with. The other day my friend called me while I was in the shower and asked if I wanted to go out to lunch to a place called "Rolling in the Dough". My dd yelled in the shower " Michelle wants to know if you want to go to bowling with the ho!!"
I would take what the waitress said with a grain of salt. I don't think Aroura would comprimise her position by saying she needed a smoke.
Maybe she said....."My shoe just broke" or "I need a coke"
Marianne

It always interests me how comments and stories can be stretched and exaggerated as time goes on. Sort of like that old "telephone" game where you whisper "Tommy is wearing a yellow shirt" into the first person's ear and after the tenth person repeats it the phrase becomes "Julia shot a worried yak" "TYPE=PICT;ALT="Not saying this happened in this case, just that I am always cautious to believe something unless I was the person involved. (and in this case the story I would be getting the story 4th hand so to speak)

I don't automatically assume something is a lie or "stretched" though.. maybe I think it but to come right out and say it? No one is perfect... maybe she had a little slip because she really needed a smoke. LOL I would imagine it's HARD to stay in character every single moment...
It would be 3rd hand wouldn't it? It happened to someone (1) who told her (2) who told us.... wait- 2nd hand? LOL

LOL,
Yes, so if you were experiencing it third hand, then I would be getting it from you fourth hand ... and when I tell my DH he will be getting it 5th hand .... and then he tells his co-worker who will be getting it 6th hand ... WAIT. This is getting a bit out of hand, isn't it? "TYPE=PICT;ALT="

 

[lillygator]

but then I guess what everyone is trying to say that if you don't agree with what the OP says you are attacking them.

 

[TinkerbellMama]

Where do you people get this stuff,QUOTE]

Why, at the Dis, of course!

 

[TinkerbellMama]

but then I guess what everyone is trying to say that if you don't agree with what the OP says you are attacking them.

I've noticed that some people "attack" everyone. It's just their nature, I suppose.
And by attack, I mean disagree vehemently, mock, argue, chide, correct, etc.
Yes, it happens. And no, I am not necessarily referring to anyone on this thread.

It's not the fact of disagreeing. It's the "tone" some people use, consistently, to contradict OPs or anyone else they happen to part ways with. I am not the only person to notice this, obviously. Can't we all just get along?!

 

[lillygator]

I think, for the most part that everyone on here does get along...but are people not allowed to have opposing opinions? That is the way it seems on these boards...this thread, for example, OP posted something someone told her, people questioned it, she deletes her posts because she feels people are questioning her integrity.....I mean, come on...did she really think everyone was just going to say "oh my, how horrid of Aurora!" and tell her to tell her friend to call guest services and report her? I mean OP did say she came here posting because she

wanted to see what the reaction of other DISers might be

apparantly, she did not like the majority's reactions....