For those of you who called me a fool on AP rates

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_2nd/Apr03_RatesDemand.html

For Every 10% Decrease in Hotel Room Rates, Demand Rose 1.3%, Not Enough to Boost
Overall Revenue; Researchers Find Hotel
Discounts Don't Drive Demand By Jerry W. Jackson, The Orlando Sentinel, Fla.
Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News
Apr. 20, 2003 - Hotels in Orlando and nationwide have reduced rates for more than a year in a desperate bid to fill rooms in a down economy. But Cornell University researchers have found that discounts don't drive demand very much, and hoteliers may want to take a harder look at holding the line.

"All you are doing is cannibalizing your rate structure. Lowering your price doesn't introduce new entrants to the market," said Steven Carvell, associate professor of finance at Cornell's School of Hotel Administration.

Carvell and a colleague, associate professor Linda Canina, examined more than a decade of data for 22 metro areas and found that for every 10 percent decrease in room rates, demand rose 1.3 percent, not enough to boost overall revenue.

In a hypothetical example using their model, the Cornell researchers said that a 300-room hotel that sold about 240 rooms a day, and cut its room rate by 10 percent from $100 to $90, would increase demand by 3.12 rooms per day. The net effect: $24,000 per day in room revenue before discounting and $21,880 per day after discounting, an overall decline in revenue because the additional demand did not make up for the lower rate.

"An individual hotel may gain, but the average hotel will not benefit from reducing rates," Carvell said.

Although Orlando, Las Vegas, Anaheim, Calif., and Oahu, Hawaii, were left out of the study because of their heavy reliance on tourism, the basic findings would apply to Orlando and other markets, Carvell said.

But Peter Yesawich, an Orlando travel consultant and Cornell hospitality school board member, said discounting works better in leisure markets such as Orlando, and it's not always a money loser.

"If it's selective and targeted to leisure, it can work," Yesawich said.

The Cornell study on lodging demand looked at survey numbers supplied by Smith Travel Research for 480 hotels in 22 metro areas, from 1989 to 2000.

It was the first study, Carvell said, to examine hotel demand in such detail, rather than relying on aggregate data.

Metro areas included Miami-Hialeah and Tampa-St. Petersburg in Florida.

Others were Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles-Long Beach, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Nashville, Tenn., New Orleans, New York, Norfolk-Virginia Beach, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Diego, San Francisco-San Mateo, Seattle, St. Louis and Washington, D.C.

Yesawich said those markets depend more on traditional business travelers.

He said his own surveys have shown that the "psychology" of leisure travelers prompts them to be more responsive to price cuts.

Discounting is risky because it is hard to raise rates if they stay down very long, said Domien Takx, general manager of the Four Points Sheraton Orlando-Kissimmee and chairman of the Orlando-Kissimmee Hotel & Motel Association, a group formed by smaller hotels along U.S. Highway 192.

"As a hotelier, I would say discounting works short term," Takx said. But filling more rooms at lower rates carries extra operating costs that eat into revenue, Takx noted, echoing a point raised in the study.

The U.S. 192 tourist strip has been one of the harder hit areas in the Orlando market since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, along with International Drive, and both have discounted heavily. The most recent hotel numbers, for February, show that those areas had the steepest cuts in rates compared with the same month a year ago -- more than double the statewide and national rate declines -- yet their occupancy levels fell by greater margins.

Cornell's findings generally supported previous research but broke new ground in several areas. The study found, for example, a connection between consumer expectation for future income -- as measured through the Consumer Confidence Index -- and hotel demand.

The effect was small but statistically significant, the researchers said, showing that for every one-point rise in consumer confidence, hotel demand goes up 0.03 percent.

The finding offers a way for hotel companies to more accurately forecast how much more business they might get as consumers grow more confident, researchers said. Conversely, the model would allow hoteliers to refine estimates of losses as consumer sentiment falls.

The study also took the novel approach of separating gross domestic product into personal income and business income, and found that increases in personal income had twice as great an effect on hotel demand as increases in business income.

Cathy Enz, executive director of the Ithaca, N.Y., school's Center for Hospitality Research, and others are taking a closer look at hotel discounting and its impact on the industry to come up with coping strategies. The preliminary findings, she said, show that the negative effects of discounting are multiplied by the ability of consumers to surf the Internet for hotel deals, booking through third parties.

Many consumers, she said, "have learned to book a room at one price, shop for a better price, and then cancel and rebook."

Third-party sites such as Travelocity can serve a useful purpose by clearing surplus-room inventory, Enz said, but hotels must be careful to make sure that discount-oriented sites are actually getting surplus rooms to avoid adding to price-cutting pressure.

Regaining control of distribution and pricing, Enz said, "is critical for the hotel industry."
 
I am sure occupancy levels at the Polynesian vs YC/BC/BW does affect the rates. Certainly a lower rate would appeal to those trying to decide between the resorts.

I think maybe the Epcot resorts have seen a rise in repeat guests especially now that Stormalong Bay is only available to those staying there.

Also since the Polynesian is in the middle of rehabs and the YC/BC is newly rehabbed that could make a difference.
 
Originally posted by MelissathePooh
You could have at least posted a link to a better picture. The Rose & Crown is our last stop.

Yea but it looks like the most fun!!!
 
RobMax-
Do you have any predictions on when AP rates for July/August will be released?
I'm really hoping that the rest of us don't have to wait til July for them:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by RobMax
I will point out that some of the dates in may, june and july are completely booked (or held) at the swan and dolphin. Starwood in darn good at the hotel game. Disney could probably learn a few things about strategy (markdowns & captive conventioners) from those folks and that may be the only reason they allow SPG to continue to own those hotels. Nice to have a benchmark!:smooth:

Well I for one believed you, but this round of AP's doesn't help me a bit. What are your predictions for codes/AP rates past 7/3? (Which is what I REALLY need!)

Do you think they will wait as long to release those (if) discounts as this batch?
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When we stayed at the poly, we thought it had to be the best resort any where -- until we stayed at the yc. We haven't returned to the poly but have been back to the yc twice. So Sammie may be right about the rise in repeat visitors. There also may be fewer rooms available at yc b/c of conventions.

I'm just glad the AP rates finally came out and am happy to give Rob all the credit.
 
Originally posted by safetymom
http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_2nd/Apr03_RatesDemand.html
For Every 10% Decrease in Hotel Room Rates, Demand Rose 1.3%, Not Enough to Boost
Overall Revenue .

Two things not talked about in this are captive demand - the hotels aren't stand alone. Disney still makes its till on visits to the parks and demand smoothing - that can reduce operating costs. The relationship probably isn't linear. :) 10% = 1/3% but 20% probably have a larger effect.

Originally posted by safetymom
"As a hotelier, I would say discounting works short term,"

This is a big concern of mine. When you discount - you train people to buy on the discount. Hence all of our interest (and some distaste) with the slow release of the AP rates. As a guest I love it, but as a stockholder I can only hope that Disney has used a pricing scheme that includes these markdowns in their forcasting :confused: I bet they do :)
 
I swear this is not meant to be argumentative or smart alecy - just a question - aren't the resorts run independently from the themeparks? That was always my understanding from when my mother worked there and other CM's that we know. If not and they do use funds from the themeparks to lower operating cost how can they afford it? Aren't the parks pretty cash strapped at this point - since the purchase of ABC Family (among other things). At one point I know the parks were the only profit making part of Disney anymore, but I think that has changed in the past few years.

Melissa

(Don't y'all know not to stroke the ego of a Bama man???) Besides - my husband (d-r) actually predicted the right day that the AP rates came out - Auburn will always win in the end!
 
The financial statements consolidate parks and resorts, but I bet they break hotels, food service, etc out for operating reasons and also MK vs. Epcot and so on. They would expect each individual hotel to hit some forcast and they probably have both financial and physical metrics. When times get tough - they probably focus more on the physical contribution (bodies) and then overall park profit. Kinda like - pulp mills don't make a ton of money, but you couldn't run a paper company without one. :)

I think they lower profit expectations at the resorts and use demand management to lower costs at individual locations. I don't think ??? they trade dollors between the parks and resorts - just lower one forcast to uphold another. Just a guess!!!

FYI

2002 vs. 2001 Revenues decreased 8%, or $ 539 million, to $ 6.5 billion, driven primarily by decreases of S496 million at the Walt Disney World Resort, $ 40 million at the Disneyland Resort and $ 24 million at Disney Cruise Line, partially offset by increased royalties of $ 52 million from the Tokyo Disney Resort. ... At the Walt Disney World Resort, decreased revenues reflected lower attendance, guest spending and hotel occupancy driven by decreases in international and domestic visitation resulting from continued disruption in travel and tourism and softness in the economy ... Segment operating income decreased 26%, or $ 417 million, to $ 1.2 billion, driven by revenue declines at the Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort, partially offset by decreased costs and expenses and increased royalties from the Tokyo Disney Resort. Costs and expenses, which consist principally of labor, costs of merchandise, food and beverages sold, depreciation, repairs and maintenance, entertainment and marketing and sales expense, decreased 2%, or $ 122 million, driven primarily by volume decreases, reduced marketing expenses and permanent cost reduction initiatives across all segment businesses and the absence of pre-opening costs for Disney's California Adventure. These cost decreases were partially offset by higher employee benefit and insurance costs.




2002 vs. 2001 Revenues decreased 8%, or $ 539 million, to $ 6.5 billion, driven primarily by decreases of S496 million at the Walt Disney World Resort, $ 40 million at the Disneyland Resort and $ 24 million at Disney Cruise Line, partially offset by increased royalties of $ 52 million from the Tokyo Disney Resort.
 














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