For All Opposed to the War

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Say tomorrow we withdraw all troups from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (remember Osama is mad because we have troops in Saudi Arabia), how would you handle the threat of terroism from Extreme Islamists?

Would you leave Israel to defend itself (because remember the extreme islamists also hate the US because we support Israel)?
 
Say tomorrow we withdraw all troups from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (remember Osama is mad because we have troops in Saudi Arabia), how would you handle the threat of terroism from Extreme Islamists?

Would you leave Israel to defend itself (because remember the extreme islamists also hate the US because we support Israel)?

Who sez we would withdraw troops from ALL of the countrys you listed, why????
 
Say tomorrow we withdraw all troups from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (remember Osama is mad because we have troops in Saudi Arabia),
Why would we do that??? Being opposed to the war in Iraq doesn't mean we want to withdraw all troops from the Middle East. Did you think it did? Heck, one of the main reasons many of us want to pull troops out of Iraq is to free them up to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan. Instead, we are pulling troops out of Afghanistan to go get involved in the Civil War in Iraq. Makes no sense to me.

By the way, Bush already gave in to Osama's demands and pulled most of our troops out of Saudi Arabia.
 
Starting a war and having a military presence are 2 completely different things.
 

Say tomorrow we withdraw all troups from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (remember Osama is mad because we have troops in Saudi Arabia), how would you handle the threat of terroism from Extreme Islamists?

Would you leave Israel to defend itself (because remember the extreme islamists also hate the US because we support Israel)?

Why would we withdraw troops from all of those places?
 
I'll ignore the more unrealistic parts of the post and address the main issue: what can we do about the roblems in the middle east.

The very FIRST thing we should do is hold a regional conference, with ALL leaders in the various countries in the region. Just holding that conference would be a HUGE step, and would not be easy...it would require quite a bit of diplomacy to get Iran to sit in a room with Israel, for example, considering their leaders do not even recognize Israel's existance.

But the first step is to TALK!!!!! Not threaten, not bomb...talk. It's called diplomacy, and it requires a statesman to take that step (which is why Bush will never take it). Like them or not, the rulers of those countries aren't going anywhere unless we decide to build an American Empire. We have to admit that we've done things wrong, just as they have. We need to go in there with the idea that we are NOT the greatest nation in the history of the planet, regardless of what we believe in our hearts of hearts. We can not dictate to them how they will live. We MUST find a way to live with all of them, and they with us. Don't compromise our principles, but don't expect them to compromise their own.

But, the the OP, pulling out of the middle east is impossible, and would likely lead to the second nuclear attack in our planet's history (by Israel on...well, on whoever attacked them first). We're supposed to be a global leader. The "only true superpower left." It's about time we started acting like it, rather than like a neighborhood bully.
 
Before i answer your question i need you to vote me in President :confused3 because theres no-way i'm helping him out of his mess !!
 
Israel has nuclear weapons. What do you mean defend herself? Do you mean stop funding? :confused:

As revy said talk talk talk! If you can't sit down and talk to your friends and enemies alike you shouldn't be Commander in chief.
 
Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Osama have nothing to do with the war in Iraq. The war in Iraq was started over WMDs not terrorism. :confused3

You can oppose the war in Iraq, I have from day one, and still be someone who wants to fight the war on terrorism. The war in Iraq has created more terrorist and made the world less safe.
 
Say tomorrow we withdraw all troups from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (remember Osama is mad because we have troops in Saudi Arabia), how would you handle the threat of terroism from Extreme Islamists?

Well, we'd still have troops in Qatar, the UAE, countries near Afghanistan, planes within striking distance in Italy and Turkey...
 
Talk? To whom exactly? Osama? Last time I looked he hadn't left a return number on the White House answering machine. Iran? Yeah right, let David Duke deliver the invite.

As much as I would like to see a non-violent end to this little phase of human history, I seriously doubt talking to people that bomb schools because they let little girls attend would do much good. We are dealing with a whole new global problem that needs to be stopped but no one can seem to locate the queen bee. In my neighborhood, every house has a lawn mower, not a cache of AK-47's and RPG's. Getting rid of the jihadis isn't going to be done by talking, unless of course we can sponsor a dinner dance for Al-Quaida members and when they are finally all seated at the table, we go Edgar Allen Poe on them, lock the doors and have a good old fashioned barn burning.

And why does it always have to be us to lay down our arms first? How about a show of good faith by our friends the Taliban? Let them put all their hardware in a neat little pile and we'll consider a conversation.

I'm sorry, I don't have the answer either, but talking will get us nowhere. Be honest, we are talking about cultures that are stuck in the 10th century with warloards that want to hold their own version of the crusades. It would be like trying to talk the pests into leaving your garden alone.

Find a way to allow their youth (boys AND girls) to get educations, share some of those petro-dollars with the masses and create some kind of Rooseveltian citizen work programs, heck get them to visit Disneyland Paris to see how the other folks live and maybe, just maybe in three or four generations, we can all sit at the table and reason together.
 
Talk? To whom exactly? Osama? Last time I looked he hadn't left a return number on the White House answering machine. Iran? Yeah right, let David Duke deliver the invite.

As much as I would like to see a non-violent end to this little phase of human history, I seriously doubt talking to people that bomb schools because they let little girls attend would do much good. We are dealing with a whole new global problem that needs to be stopped but no one can seem to locate the queen bee. In my neighborhood, every house has a lawn mower, not a cache of AK-47's and RPG's. Getting rid of the jihadis isn't going to be done by talking, unless of course we can sponsor a dinner dance for Al-Quaida members and when they are finally all seated at the table, we go Edgar Allen Poe on them, lock the doors and have a good old fashioned barn burning.

And why does it always have to be us to lay down our arms first? How about a show of good faith by our friends the Taliban? Let them put all their hardware in a neat little pile and we'll consider a conversation.

I'm sorry, I don't have the answer either, but talking will get us nowhere. Be honest, we are talking about cultures that are stuck in the 10th century with warloards that want to hold their own version of the crusades. It would be like trying to talk the pests into leaving your garden alone.

Find a way to allow their youth (boys AND girls) to get educations, share some of those petro-dollars with the masses and create some kind of Rooseveltian citizen work programs, heck get them to visit Disneyland Paris to see how the other folks live and maybe, just maybe in three or four generations, we can all sit at the table and reason together.

George Bush wouldn't even talk to Saddam Hussein who had nothing to do with global terrorism. This is spite of the fact Donald Rumsfeld did and shook his hand. Oh and when daddy was president he sent his envoy, April Glaspie, to meet with him and tell him we had no opinion about his plans to invade Kuwait...:confused3 I am sure George could find someone to sit down and talk with...
 
We seem to also confuse the war on terror with the Bush presidency. This problem started long before even Bush the Elder and sadly will continue on into the Rodham-Clinton/Obama/McCain/Guliani (pick your favorite) administration and probably well beyond that.

So how about if all the Bush haters stopped blaming everything evil in the world on the current president and started the conversations themselves. I'm sure Code Pink and MoveOn.org would be welcomed anywhere in the Middle East. Remember the warm reception the "human shields" got.

Hate gets us nowhere, my friends, but ALL sides have to sign on to that premise before we can make any progress. When Al-Zawaheri stops talking about the dogs of Iraq craving American blood, I'll sign on to the chat room.

Gotta give him credit for the colorful metaphors though...:rotfl2:
 
Oh, and don't forgot that chatty guy, Ahmadinejad! I'm sure he'd love to sit down and talk. On Tuesday he "assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives" (from the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting's web site). I don't really think he's in the mood for a Starbucks and pastries and a nice talk with anyone of a different viewpoint.

What I wish is that the majority of Americans would choose to read some books/articles discussing the real views of the "opponents" of America. There are several good ones out there, both fiction by Middle Eastern authors (some published without authors' names for their safety), as well as non-fiction (also by Middle Easterns). And, no, I'm not suggesting you read partisan books....however, there are some great ones out there. They think that we're weak for wanting to talk! It's not in their paradigm! They are fighting a war that is centuries old, and we're forgetting what happened 5 and half years ago (not to mention Kenya embassy, USS Cole, Black Hawk down, and others.....).

We can "dialogue" and "process" (and all of those other buzz words) all we want here in the old USA...but it doesn't always work in other parts of the world. Contrary to popular (US) belief we can't all just get along. Some of our very core beliefs (you know...freedom, pursuit of happiness, free speech) just don't mesh with others.

Yowzers, never thought I'd get all political on a disney forum :rolleyes1
 
Say tomorrow we withdraw all troups from Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (remember Osama is mad because we have troops in Saudi Arabia), how would you handle the threat of terroism from Extreme Islamists?

following Bush's lead, I'd invade Norway and somehow tie it to September 11th and claim the Norwegians have deep ties with muslim extremists.
 
following Bush's lead, I'd invade Norway and somehow tie it to September 11th and claim the Norwegians have deep ties with muslim extremists.

Why Norway???

They are not a top oil producing nation, but COLUMBIA better watch out;)
 


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