Fine Dining with Toddlers--Six Reviews

RaiderMatt--When I booked the PS with WDW-DINE for Shula's, the CM read to me from her screen that Shulas requests business casual dress.

Perhaps you got a new CM when you called, because they wre exceedingly clear about the dress code to me.

Regardless of whether you are told in advance or not, I find it questionable at best to arrive for a nice dinner in that caliber of restaurant wearing a dirty t-shirt and athletic shorts.

Anne
 
Perhaps you got a new CM when you called, because they wre exceedingly clear about the dress code to me.
This is why I specifically said "I'm assuming there are others who are not told of a dress code until they arrive either."

While its reasonable to assume you were not the only one told, it is also reasonable to assume I was not the only one not told.

Regardless of whether you are told in advance or not, I find it questionable at best to arrive for a nice dinner in that caliber of restaurant wearing a dirty t-shirt and athletic shorts.
That's fine, you are free to find it questionable, and the restaurant is free to take any action it sees fit. In this case, they apparently did not have a problem with a dirty t-shirt and athletic shorts. I couldn't tell you what they would have done had we shown up in such attire, since we didn't, nor did we see anyone else in such attire. T-shirts, yes, but nothing like what you describe. Just as we somehow have been lucky enough to not encounter the "kids from heck", we somehow have not encountered the Shula's "guests from the hamper" either.

Really though, as long as the only thing we smelled was our food, I can't see letting the lack of a collar on somebody affect my experience in any way.
 
Last night we dined at Citrico's. There were two youngsters (4-6ish) there when we first arrived, just as the fireworks began over the MK. We got a WONDERFUL table with a view of the castle and fireworkds. The kids had walked over and sat down in front of a window by an empty table, and the family left immediately after the display was over. There was another party with two families, both parents sat at one table and the two daughters who were probably 10-12 sat together at an ajacent table. Of course they were well behaved, the way these young ladies dressed and conducted themselves I would have been extremely suprised had there been any food throwing. LOL! :)

Other than that, no children, no large parties, a lot of couples. I'll post a review of the food and service on another thread.

So far we've been lucky--only the one meal disrupted by kids who needed naps or manners or both...actually the parents were the ones that needed to have some common sense and not push the kids to the brink, and one meal that we wore part of the beverage service...itz all good tho.

Anne
 
In my ongoing report, we ate at Bongo's last night and there were very few children, all that we could see was one infant who seemed content in her highchair through the meal--we saw three kids total in the entire restaurant. I'll write a seperate review of the meal, as we were completely suprised at the quality and service.

Anne
 

On a recent trip we took the whole family to California Grill for Granpa's Birthday. Our two year old grandaughter was with us and I admit I was a little apprehensive. We made an early reservation 5:30pm and let our server know that the little one was only 2. They were wonderful! Dinner was served quickly and dessert options that would take longer to prepare were brought to our attention during dinner so they could start the preparation. The bowl of goldfish on the table helped considerably! The little one was very good and just loved looking over the back of the booth at the view.
Would I do this everytime, probably not, but it was priceless to hear the granddaughter talk about eating "noodles up high" for the rest of the trip.
 
I am due with our first child in June (another June Baby!) and we are planning a trip for next January, when the little guy is 7 months.
We are planning already and where to eat with 7 adults and an infant has been a stumbling block.
I really appreciate everyone sharing there experiences and opinions.
I would love to read a trip report from Spyhill on how the rest of the trip went with the kids.
 
Originally posted by danicaw
I am due with our first child in June (another June Baby!) and we are planning a trip for next January, when the little guy is 7 months.
We are planning already and where to eat with 7 adults and an infant has been a stumbling block.
I really appreciate everyone sharing there experiences and opinions.
I would love to read a trip report from Spyhill on how the rest of the trip went with the kids.

Danicaw,

Our last trip to Disney in 2001 found us with our teenage twins then 13, our ds then 2 and our ds 3 months old. I'll tell you that we didn't let the 2 year old and the 3 month old alter our plans in the least.

I made priority seatings at odd hours so we wouldn't be in packed restaurants. We usually did a late lunch around 4pm so we could avoid the dinner hour. We typically had breakfast in our room. Cereal, pop tarts, slim fast bars. We had a few character breakfasts.

We had no trouble with the little guys. I was also nursing my infant so if at any time he got a little fussy, I just popped him on and he was happy as a clam. My 2 year old has been eating out with us since he was 2 weeks old so he is used to restaurants and how to behave. I always carry toys, crayons, books, snacks to keep them amused.

We ate at The Garden Grille, Donalds Breakfastasaurus in the AK, Sci Fi at MGM, Tonys in the MK, and several others I forget at the moment.

This trip coming up I have priority seatings booked everywhere. What makes this trip a little harder is my mother in law will be with us making us a party of 7. What I've encountered is now we are seating in 2 table or cars or whatever. Most tables are setup for 4 or 6. Adding a 7th made it a little more complicated, because we will be separated sometimes.

Sorry for the length, but I guess my point is don't stress the infant. They are so easy to handle. Enjoy your meals. There are many on these boards who will discourage you from taking children certain places or certain restaurants.

You know your child best and at 7 months they love cheerios and crayons. I never went anywhere without my little tupperware with cheerios.

Good luck and congrats.
Liz
 
Thanks Liz!
I am really looking forward to the trip.
Thanks for the encouragement and your experience.
 
I too would not hesitate to bring a child to any restaurant in WDW as that's what the place was designed for--kids! I was basically an only child (2 sisters 15 and 18 years older than me) so I went just about everywhere with my parents. We always ate at fine restaurants at home and on vacations so we ate at them in WDW too. I was for the most part a well-behaved child, though I remember moments when I'd be mixing 'drinks' with my glass of water, salt, pepper, etc. But I never ran around screaming or crying. And yes, many times I fell asleep on chairs, booths, etc. But I preferred that to staying with a strange sitter (possibly because we have a very large family so I was rarely left with a 'sitter' at home). Also, since my parents didn't leave me with sitters at home, there was no way they'd do that on vacation, even though they could have afforded it. They would rather bring me along and know that I was safe, there with them. When I have asked my mom why they wanted to bring me to fine restaurants she replied that she wanted to expose me to the finer things in life at an early age, something she wasn't fortunate enough to have experienced until she was in her 30s and a parent of 2 kids. And I benefitted greatly from these experiences as when I was a teen I knew appropriate behavior even when my parents weren't around and now in my 20s I am able to appreciate fine dining and have a decent knowledge of food and liquor that I don't think would be the same if my parents hadn't toted me along everywhere they went.

Now, I am not opposed in anyway to people who do hire sitters at home or on vacation. After all, that was my income from age 12-22! It's perfectly normal for parents to want a night out alone. Many nights my parents went out without me and I stayed home with a family member, but when we were on a family vacation we usually went everywhere as a family, including meals. Again, lots of people do use sitters on vacation and if that works for them it's fine, they know their kids best. But for those parents who do bring their kids, maybe they can afford and would like to use a sitter, but don't feel comfortable or know their kids wouldn't feel comfortable with strangers. Also, maybe they feel that since it's Disney World, this is their chance to take the kids anywhere since the whole resort is geared towards kids. This is how I feel when I'm there (and we took my 18 month old neice everywhere without a problem, just lots of toys) so when I see other kids acting up, I think to myself that this is their vacation too so they should be able to do all the same things I want to, with the food throwing that Ducklite mentioned being excuded.
 
Justhat -

What a wonderful post !!!!!!!

Bravo!!

I feel the same way.
 
Crisi, your post made me smile. I too have a daughter with way more testosterone than my boy! When folks say "Well she is a girl," as if that means "sugar and spice," we just laugh. My daughter is very energetic and highly sensitive. If a food place SMELLS funny she will gag. Yikes.

We have made ps at Crystal Palace because they have kiddie meals and also at Boma. I want to try it and the kids will survive!
 
colleen costello, I have never thought of it that way. We just always say that our second daughter should have been a boy. I have 3 brothers so I know how boys act and she is just like them in so many ways. With that being said, she is also MORE prissy than my other daughter. She LOVES prissing in her Cinderella nightgown and housecoat and fru fru slippers. But the next thing you know she has on spiderman pajamas. She is just too funny.
 
justhat,

I have to disagree with you. All of Disney is certainly NOT geared for kids. All of the Magic Kingdom - I'll agree with you there.

Kids don't belong (and aren't allowed) at V&As. They don't belong at most of Pleasure Island or Jellyrolls on the Boardwalk. And most people don't bring them along on their Honeymoon to the Honeymoon suite at the GF.

There are other places where the adult needs to use common sense. Most young children do not belong on most of Disney's golf courses. There is the rare seven year old (or older) who does.

Whether a child belongs at the California Grill, Artist's Point, Citricos - or any of Disney's other top tier restaurants (and I'm not talking about bringing your kids to sit down places inside the theme parks - except maybe the pricy one in France - or about bringing them to Boma's or Ohanas or Chef Mickey's) depends on the child and the adults bringing the child. Some children handle these places beautifully 99% of the time. Some parents will remove their screaming child from the restaurant within seconds if inappropriate behavior occurs. Those children and parents no one has issues with (OK, there are people who do, but they are cranks). When you have a child who is 99% certain to misbehave (and I mean in ways which inconvience other diners, not minor kid behavior), coupled with parents who not only aren't going to correct this behavior but find it "adorable" -- those children don't belong in those restaurants.
 
Kids don't belong (and aren't allowed) at V&As.
Unless something has changed recently, they are allowed. Therefore, if they can conduct themselves in an appropriate manner, they do belong.

They don't belong at most of Pleasure Island or Jellyrolls on the Boardwalk.
I agree for the most part, though I believe only parts of PI are off-limits. Good point about the golf courses, though I doubt this was really what justhat meant when she said anywhere/everywhere.

Whether a child belongs at the California Grill, Artist's Point, Citricos - or any of Disney's other top tier restaurants depends on the child and the adults bringing the child.
Very true.

When you have a child who is 99% certain to misbehave (and I mean in ways which inconvience other diners, not minor kid behavior), coupled with parents who not only aren't going to correct this behavior but find it "adorable" -- those children don't belong in those restaurants.
Agree. Unfortunately, those parents aren't likely to be looking for advice on these boards.
 
Originally posted by crisi

Kids don't belong (and aren't allowed) at V&As. They don't belong at most of Pleasure Island or Jellyrolls on the Boardwalk. And most people don't bring them along on their Honeymoon to the Honeymoon suite at the GF.

There are other places where the adult needs to use common sense. Most young children do not belong on most of Disney's golf courses. There is the rare seven year old (or older) who does.


As Raidermatt said, these are not exactly the places I had in mind when I said that kids should be welcomed anywhere. As this thread was regarding restaurants, I specifically meant them. And in terms of restaurants, I do feel children should be allowed in any of them and parents should not feel they need to get a sitter since it is Disney World, which is well-known for being the vacation destination for kids and families. No, that does not mean I think kids should run wild throughout a restaurant or throw food, as I said before, but I do think they should be able to enjoy a meal with their family, even if they get a little restless and may make more noise than a couple by themselves would. After all, how quiet and calm can we expect a small child to be when they know they are in Disney World!?!

Sure, they don't belong in bars and nightclubs at WDW, but they don't belong in those places in any part of the country, and for more reasons than crankiness, bad bahavior, etc. I have more of an issue with the kids being exposed to inappropriate behavior by adults, drinking, and smoking than I have with a crying child, as in most clubs it's too loud to even notice a crying child. Same with a golf course, I think it's more of a problem that if mommy and/or daddy are playing golf, then no one can supervise the kids on the golf course, than then being out there crying. Yes, I'm sure that if they were crying on the course it would be disruptive to other golfers, but once again, you're at a WDW golf course, not playing in Myrtle Beach, SC, so you've gotta expect kids to be around. If you're really going away for a golfing vacation, there are plenty of other, better courses than Disney's.

"Agree. Unfortunately, those parents aren't likely to be looking for advice on these boards."

I completely agree with this. I think most parents who take their kids to nicer restaurants do so with the intent to share finer experiences with their child, not just to enjoy themselves regardless of their kids behavior and experience for other diners. Unfortunately, not all parents are like this and those who aren't probably don't look for or think they need advice. Also, they may have good intentions and feel that this is the one place where they can take their kids to Yachtsman Steakhouse and not worry if they can't sit still, since they can't really get that opportunity at their local Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Sure, the kid might be happier eating at Chef Mickey's right now, but later on in life they'll appreciate what their parents did for them. I know I do, and I've got lots of great pictures of a very young me dressed up at a nice dinner with my family, which I treasure just as much as the pictures of me with Brer Bear.
 
Crisi:
V&A does allow children--and even infants and toddlers.
If necessary, they can even get highchairs from Citrico's next door.

Dosen't happen often, tho---
 
Thanks for the correction on V&As.

I think there are some parents who are kind of borderline on issues like this. They aren't familiar with Disney restaurants. They read this board looking for hints for their first trip. They take statements like "Disney is for kids" and "what kid wouldn't be excited at Disney" and assume other guests are willing to overlook behavior at Citricos that they'd overlook at Whispering Canyon. Or bring toddlers to Pleasure Island - not really understanding it isn't appropriate.

Its for those people I am writing. Maybe not many of them will read this, but perhaps someone will - and decide that for their family Boma may be a more appropriate choice than Jiko. (And once again, if your children can be trusted to be well behaved through a full meal - by all means take them to Jiko. And my expectations for well behaved doesn't mean "little adults" it means well behaved children who don't throw food, run around the restaurant, scream, throw a tantrum because they decided they wanted white milk after the chocolate came. And if the baby is colickly - it might be best to leave it home. If she is going to sleep, eat and coo through the meal, bring her along.)

For our family, at this point, Jiko isn't appropriate. My daughter may throw a tantrum because she changed her mind between ordering and the food arriving. My son may not sit still for an hour or an hour and a half meal. We are hoping that by our next trip in October, we will be able to attempt a nicer meal. To that end, we practice with restaurants at home where the meal doesn't include a toy.

I don't think I've ever been in a Disney restaurant with children who spoiled my meal (except my own children - who only spoiled my meal, not anyone else's). But Disney caters to a wide range of guests, not just people with kids. Guests there to play golf that never step foot inside a theme park. Convention attendees (who may have little choice about their convention being held at Disney World). Guests on their honeymoon. Retired couples traveling without kids. College students on Spring Break. And people who left their kids with Grandma for a Mom and Dad vacation. In addition Disney is a wonderful place to take children. Guests need to respect other guests. To say "Disney is a place for children and other guests should just deal" isn't fair to the guests who don't want to hear someone's little darling whine at the table next to them through their whole dinner.
 
I think everyone is saying the same things from different perspectives. Our family has enjoyed dining at nice places at WDW since our children were small. We expected the same behavior at all restaurants and our children knew it. For us, dining together is an integral part of our vacation in part because my husband has always traveled and it's nice to have a week of family meals.

BTW children do play on the WDW courses and are very welcome. Again appropriate behavior is expected from all. I think the only bad behavior my guys have seen at the courses is from the adults who take 10 shots/hole and don't know the concept of letting others play through.
 
I don't want to seem harsh and I definitely did not mean that 'people should just deal' with annoying kids while in Disney World. However, if you're planning a vacation away from your own kids, or just alone if you don't have any kids, because you want to be in an adult atmosphere, I don't think Disney is the perfect destination for that purpose. That's what I meant, that when you go to WDW, you have to expect kids, not that you should expect loud, irritating kids. Disney World is where practically every child anywhere wants to go, it's their ideal vacation spot. And that's the idea, that it's a family vacation destination. Yes, families include childless people too, but I think that if I was trying to escape kids, I'd defnitely pick another destination. We're honeymooning in WDW next June and though I won't have kids with me, I expect to see many of them while we're there. If we chose to honeymoon in Bora Bora and we were surrounded by crying children, I think I'd be a little annoyed, but since we chose to go to Disney instead, I have to go thinking that I will encounter toddler meltdowns.

My mother, fiancé, and I spent NYE in WDW this past year and we went to Cali. Grill on NYE. As some of you may know, this is a very expensive event, so you'd think that at $500/person and $300/child, there would not be many kids around. When we arrived, however, we found many children of all ages there, from app. 10 mos-teenagers. 3 small kids, ages 2-6, ran around the place all night unsupervised, not near the tables, but on the dance floor, hallways, etc. When the Jammitors came to do a show, these little boys ran right up on the dance floor and joined in on the Jammitors act! I'm sure some people were annoyed by this, but they were so cute that I could really only think 'wow, these kids are really having a blast!' The way I saw it was that if CG didn't want kids there, they would have specified that instead of making a separate rate for them and bringing in video games, pinball machines, etc.

No matter what destination, I agree that kids like Ducklite mentioned that throw food and eat off of random plates are bothersome to a meal. That type of behavior would bother me whether I was alone or with many kids of my own. But what I was referring to is the child who might get a little antsy and instead of staying in her chair the whole night gets up to sit with Mom or Dad, talks a lot, maybe even a bit loud, whines to leaves, etc. I dont' mean in a tantrum, but just generally. I expect that in WDW because it's hard for a kid to sit through a long meal anywhere, but especially if they know that Mickey might be outside. Also, even if they take naps, kids can still get cranky and whiny and I think that just goes along with being away from home in a new environment and having so many things to do and see each day. But I don't think parents should have to leave these kids out of the family dinner, especially if they are used to going to restaurants with their families at home and they may not be as anxious to leave then.

Maybe being a child psychologist and having worked in a day care with 1 year olds makes me not notice the noise so much since I am immune to it at this point, but it really takes a lot for a child to actually disrupt my dinner, they'd have to be doing the things Ducklite mentioned. A whiny child on vacation, however, really wouldn't bother me. Hey, even I get whiny after the long days in Disney World so I can imagine how a child feels!
 


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