FastPass+ must be coming soon

[Disneyfan754321]

You think masks and social distancing will be gone within 45 days?

I dont think so. Orange county is entering phase 2. Currently. So they are moving to 3ft apart and outdoor places are allowed to be massless.
Phase 3 is when the county is vaccinated at 70%
( they are currently around 50% ) and the 14 day positivity rate is 5% or below.
Disney seems to be a step behind. So when you start seeing rules changing in DS the parks wont be far behind.

 

[Mrs~Incredible]

But what is going to happen when capacity increases to 50%? Or more? And there is no other option midday than to stand on unbearable lines. And the whole day is nothing but long lines. At least FP provided a respite.

Totally agree. Once capacity increases, they will need to do something to give their guests a certain number of experiences per day. Virtual queue? The old FP+ system? Although some guests will, I doubt many families would be willing to pay for FPs each day of their trip, and I doubt many of those people will be back if they are waiting in 90+ minute waits all day.

 

[Heather07438]

allowed to be massless.

I love being massless as long as you have me tethered. Heehee.

 

[Grasshopper2016]

I love being massless as long as you have me tethered. Heehee.

Now that's a ride I would pay money to fastpass!

 

[ellbell]

The difference between Disney and the other parks is that when people go to Disney most of them aren't there for 2 or 3 days. Most of the other parks you spend 1 day at or in the case of Universal maybe 3. People will spend the higher prices for a day or 2 but people who are at Disney are there for 5 days or more a good portion of the time. People coming from the UK are often there for over 2 weeks. It isn't sustainable for Disney to offer the higher prices for people who stay there for longer lengths. Also by making the price that high they are going to make their vip tours obsolete which for them can be quite lucrative. People who already pay the 50 pp for minimum of 3 days at club level aren't the average. I'm not saying they won't charge I'm just saying it would probably be more of a 25-30 a day pp and they would probably do it more like maxpass. Again the Disneyland isn't some place people spend 2 to 3 weeks visiting in general.

 

[Heather07438]

Totally agree. Once capacity increases, they will need to do something to give their guests a certain number of experiences per day. Virtual queue? The old FP+ system? Although some guests will, I doubt many families would be willing to pay for FPs each day of their trip, and I doubt many of those people will be back if they are waiting in 90+ minute waits all day.

WDW needs to find that sweet spot where both groups feel like they made a good decision. Where those who don’t want to spend extra feel like they can manage without having to overpay, and those who splurge feel like it was worth it. Tough but I have confidence they’ll figure it out.

 

[JakeAZ]

FastPass+ was working just fine before Covid. We don’t need to be suggesting any ideas of how much Disney needs to charge us for the same thing that we had before included in the ticket price!!!

I promise you, paid FP, has been brought up in every internal FP meeting since it was introduced. They don't need our suggestions.

 

[tigger2002]

But what is going to happen when capacity increases to 50%? Or more? And there is no other option midday than to stand on unbearable lines. And the whole day is nothing but long lines. At least FP provided a respite.

Hopefully when capacity increases they will also increase the number of shows, theme park hours, number of employees, etc.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

FastPass+ was working just fine before Covid. We don’t need to be suggesting any ideas of how much Disney needs to charge us for the same thing that we had before included in the ticket price!!!

Dan

They gave out too many FP per attraction which made standby lines outrageous. They also offered FP for attractions that didn’t need it, thereby making standby lines for those rides unnecessarily long. There is a better way.

The system was flawed, and it will not return in its previous form.

 

[whiporee]

Phase 3 is when the county is vaccinated at 70%
( they are currently around 50% ) and the 14 day positivity rate is 5% or below.

Not and. Or.

I don't think it matters as much as it did, though. DeSantis just decreed that all local requirements for masks are invalid. So it's purely a business decision, and I think they'll be working towards it sooner than later.

 

[DisneyFive]

They gave out too many FP per attraction which made standby lines outrageous. They also offered FP for attractions that didn’t need it, thereby making standby lines for those rides unnecessarily long. There is a better way.

The system was flawed, and it will not return in its previous form.

Wasn’t flawed for us. IMO the flaw was those that didn’t use it to it’s potential, or those that refused to plan and think they should have short waits.

I do agree that there were quite a few attractions that did not need FP+, but Disney still went ahead and implemented it in them.

Standby lines could get long, sure but that never affected us because we weren’t in them due to FP+ and we still rode everything we wanted with short waits. There were times that even popular rides would have short standby times, later in the day or first thing in the morning. Difference is, with FP+ you could also snag short wait times for popular attractions in the busiest part of the day unlike now. Just needed to plan, and use the system.

Dan

 

[MickeyWaffles]

Wasn’t flawed for us. IMO the flaw was those that didn’t use it to it’s potential, or those that refused to plan and think they should have short waits.

I do agree that there were quite a few attractions that did not need FP+, but Disney still want to head and implemented in them.

Standby lines could get long, sure but that never affected us because we weren’t in them due to FP+ and we still rode everything we wanted with short waits. There were times that even popular rides would have short standby times, later in the day or first thing in the morning. Difference is, with FP+ you could also snag short wait times for popular attractions in the busiest part of the day unlike now. Just needed to plan, and use the system.

Dan

We also used the system very successfully as we knew the ins and outs, but I think they can develop something better that works for more people. Not just the small percentage like us who were well versed in the system. They can do better.

 

[ajollyholidaywithjo]

Wasn’t flawed for us. IMO the flaw was those that didn’t use it to it’s potential, or those that refused to plan and think they should have short waits.

I do agree that there were quite a few attractions that did not need FP+, but Disney still want to head and implemented in them.

Standby lines could get long, sure but that never affected us because we weren’t in them due to FP+ and we still rode everything we wanted with short waits. There were times that even popular rides would have short standby times, later in the day or first thing in the morning. Difference is, with FP+ you could also snag short wait times for popular attractions in the busiest part of the day unlike now. Just needed to plan, and use the system.

Dan

Yep I agree with this. The system is only flawed for those who don’t know how to utilize it properly. I was able to do all Magic Kingdom attractions in one day, not waiting any longer than 30 minutes max, utilizing both standby and Fastpass lines.

I will be SUPER disappointed if they don’t bring back FP or something very close to it.

 

[Jason2015]

Yep I agree with this. The system is only flawed for those who don’t know how to utilize it properly. I was able to do all Magic Kingdom attractions in one day, not waiting any longer than 30 minutes max, utilizing both standby and Fastpass lines.

I will be SUPER disappointed if they don’t bring back FP or something very close to it.

One word: Maxpass

 

[DisneyFive]

We also used the system very successfully as we knew the ins and outs, but I think they can develop something better that works for more people. Not just the small percentage like us who were well versed in the system. They can do better.

I do agree with this. It’s a very difficult thing to accomplish. Disney can’t hold everyone’s hand. I think Disney may be able to do a better job of educating new guests about the systems before they visit. I feel bad for guests who think they can just book their stay and show up at the parks and everything will be just magical. There will always be those kind of folks and it’s difficult to imagine a system that will ever make guests happy who aren’t willing to put the effort and planning into their stay.
Dan

 

[MickeyWaffles]

Yep I agree with this. The system is only flawed for those who don’t know how to utilize it properly. I was able to do all Magic Kingdom attractions in one day, not waiting any longer than 30 minutes max, utilizing both standby and Fastpass lines.

I will be SUPER disappointed if they don’t bring back FP or something very close to it.

There are many of us who were well versed in the system and took advantage of FP+ who also think Disney could develop a better system. One that is much more efficient, doesn’t impact standby as much and is accessible to more people. I’d love to see something like a modified version of Disneyland’s MaxPass.

Even though I was able to use FP+ to my advantage, I’d love to see something that works efficiently for more people, not only the small percentage like us who knew how to do it right. They can do better.

 

[JakeAZ]

FP+ forced two things for you to take full advantage of it:

1. Choose your first 3 rides 60 days in advance, which is, of course, nonsense.
2. Be on your phone constantly trying to snag the next one, move one up, cancel / replace and refresh.

That's just not how I want to spend a "vacation" that costs what WDW costs.

IMO, the solution is to keep some sort of "free" system that caters to those who enjoy that sort of thing. But offer others a way to "opt out" by paying a premium. Yes, I know VIP exists, but I don't want a guide. I just want to hang out with my group and tour efficiently / at our pace. Not on a clock.

 

[DisneyFive]

One word: Maxpass

Well Maxpass and FP+ both have benefits and drawbacks.

The two biggest negatives of Maxpass to me are
1) the added cost, which for a family of 5 for 10 days (our normal stay now) is quite substantial over and above the already high cost of a WDW vacation
2). Having to get up early since you can’t prebook like FP+. This reminds me of the good ‘ol days of paper FP

Between the 3 choices (Maxpass, paper FP, and FP+) I believe FP+ To be the best but not perfect. Just my honest opinion

Dan

 

[Grasshopper2016]

In some ways, the old FP+ system worked really well. It allowed the regular guests who mastered the system to "refresh" their way to a day full of rides with very few long waits. And it gave the first-timers and non-obsessives a chance to skip at least some lines and feel like they were getting a good benefit.

But it was far from perfect. It depended on the ignorance of most guests; the tiers, while probably necessary, were really annoying; the excessive numbers of FPs in play made the stand-by lines intolerably long; many guests who had not mastered the system were deeply frustrated, especially on crowded days; etc. Plus, from Disney's point of view, it failed to capitalize on an opportunity to milk more money out of guests. (A rare missed opportunity for Disney lately.)

That's why I think the new system will largely get rid of the refresh loophole. Three free fastpasses and that's it. That will keep the standby lines more manageable. And most people who didn't master the old system won't notice much of a difference. But at the same time, those of us who are accustomed to avoiding the lines will, whether gladly or reluctantly, pay for extra fastpasses to recreate the touring styles that we used to get for free. Disney will have to find the sweet spot in pricing. Not so cheap that everyone signs up -- as JakeAZ has noted before, if everyone has a fastpass, then no one does. But not so expensive as to price out the repeat guests who don't make VIP tour money.

 

[WonderfulLife]

I'm happy FastPass is gone. There is less stress with planning a trip, and wait times for rides like Big Thunder Mountain Railroad have dropped from about a 60 minute wait to just a 10 minute wait. Last time I went to WDW, I waited 10 minutes in the FastPass line. Now everyone is waiting 10 minutes (maybe up to 20 minutes). I have the flexibility to show up to BTMRR whenever I want during the day and will still probably only wait about 10 minutes. I just read someone's trip report that BTMRR, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, and Peter Pan's Flight were all walk-on during the morning of her MK day. There's just no need for FastPass right now.

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I think the problem with a monetized one is that rides like 7 Dwarfs Mine Train jump from a 45 minute wait to a 90 minute wait. Everyone is waiting twice as long at all the rides. Someone who doesn't buy a FastPass has a terrible trip, and suddenly people start telling everyone that it isn't worth it to go to WDW. Also, people who buy it get angry because they forked out hundreds of dollars to get it, but they couldn't score a FastPass to the rides they wanted to go on, like Flight of Passage or the upcoming rides like Tron and Guardians of the Galaxy (whenever they opens). I don't know. It seems like lose-lose.

The date on the top says June 5th, 2021 (Saturday). So, those must be predicted. Negative Nelly here, I doubt you will see 10 minute wait in June. If it is, you can roll me in baby oil and sit me in the Florida sun! I need a good burn!

All joking aside, I would love to see those wait times. We are going June 12-21 and I am trying to be realistic.