Fast Pass Improvement Idea

While there may be a convenience benefit to the idea, I see it causing more problems.

1) How would you be able to know where the fastpass window is for a ride on the other side of the park?

2) It would cause fast passes to get all sucked up WAY faster, especially on the ultra popular rides like TSM and Soarin.

3) People might get FP's for rides they aren't really sure they will use, just because of the convenience of doing so, causing FP windows to move faster than they would otherwise...


Just some thoughts. :confused3 I'm happy with the system and rules now.

Dan
 
One potential problem I see with this idea, which was also a problem with the centralized FP experiment, is the lack of an easily viewable return time.

If I'm leaving the park at 4 and I see the Space Mountain FP machine is currently issuing FPs for 5-6pm, I can keep on walking.

That's why I like Disney Mobile Magic app for Verizon phones - it gives fast pass availability and the return time for those available fast passes so you can avoid walking across the park only to find out that the fast passes are gone or are for a time that doesn't fit our schedule.
 
The FP system was intended to "save your place in line" which presupposes you're in a position that you would otherwise be getting in line. Instead of getting in line, you get a FP to save your place. If you get a FP anywhere then you're not in a position to get in line for that particular ride. I know it would be more convenient for us not to have to run all over the park for FP's but the way it is actually fits with Disney's objective. I would just like to have FP distribution times shown all over the park, so you can decide whether it's worth it to go all the way over there to get a FP or not--without having to depend on an app.
 
No problem. I admit, I'm "wary" of change but have no problem with it when it results in an improvement.

Actually, it doesn't necessarily have to be an improvement. I just don't like it when it results in things like "Under New Management".

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I like it!
I also like the fastpass idea that the OP mentioned. Sounds like it could be an improvement and would save my DH a whole lot of running around!;)
 

I agree that a huge issue would be how long it would take for someone to get a single FP at a central location. Right now, I put in my ticket and out pops the FP for that ride. I can swipe all 4 of my family's tickets in about 30 seconds and I'm on my way.

If you had to put your ticket in, choose the ride from a screen....oh wait....I meant the other ride....oh, wait...that isn't a good return time....let me try another ride....OK...that one works! Now repeat for my other 3 tickets. Dammit....I selected the wrong ride on ticket 4! Now I can't have the whole family together for that ride. Who can I complain to? CM!!!! Can you help me?

And the line behind me grows, and grows, and grows, and grows.
 
Although not exactly what you had in mind, Disney is experimenting with a Next Generation Fast Pass system. Personally, I don't like the idea of having to plan my entire vacation before I leave home.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-disney-next-gen-fast-pass,0,1602056.story

Orlando Sentinel

February 18, 2011
ANAHEIM (KTLA) -- Future visitors to Disney parks will be able to reserve ride times from their home computers and bypass hotel check-in desks once they arrive at the resort, the head of the Walt Disney Co.'s global theme-park division said during an investors conference Thursday.

Those advances are among of a series of technological initiatives Disney is developing in hopes of making visits to its increasingly crowded theme parks easier to plan and less intimidating to navigate, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Chairman Tom Staggs said at the conference in Anaheim, Calif.

"In the coming years, we'll introduce a broad set of systems and tools that will help us create a more seamless and personalized experience and help guests get more out of their visit with us," Staggs said. The ultimate goal, he added, is "to welcome more and more people, while making their experience more satisfying, more personal and more immersive."

Staggs' comments provided the first detailed glimpse at a secretive initiative dubbed "Next Generation Experience," or "NextGen," that Walt Disney Parks and Resorts has been working on for more than a year. The budget for the project is said to be around $1 billion — as much money as Disney spent to build its recently launched Disney Dream cruise ship.

In his remarks Thursday, Staggs described a "version of Fast Pass for an entire Disney vacation." Future guests, he said, will be able to reserve specific ride times for popular attractions, secure seating for shows, make restaurant reservations and pre-book other experiences before they leave their homes on vacation.

They will also be able to obtain their room keys in advance, eliminating the need to check into hotels and allowing them to proceed immediately to their rooms or a theme park once they arrive on Disney property.

Other advances, he said, will include personalizing rides and character greetings for individual guests, adding more interactive queues to entertain people while they wait in line for attractions, and designing behind-the-scenes systems for operations workers to better monitor and steer crowd flow to ease congestion.

Disney will also aim to cull more personal information from its guests, which Staggs said "will put better information into the hands of our cast, so they can deliver even better and more personalized service for our guests." Although Staggs did not specify what information Disney would seek, possibilities range from simple details such as names and birth dates to favorite characters and credit-card numbers. Access to such information would allow Disney to target more personalized sales offers to guests, even as they wander around its parks.

Staggs didn't go into further details about how Disney intends to implement some of the plans, and the company would not elaborate on his comments. But there is widespread speculation among former Disney executives and bloggers who follow the company that some of the plans will use radio-frequency identification, or RFID, microchips that can be implanted into tickets or wristbands, loaded with personal information and used to interact with sensors installed in everything from hotel-room doors to ride animatronics.

Disney has signed a confidentiality agreement with a California company that manufactures RFID wristbands, whose clients include other amusement operators such as Great Wolf Resorts.

Staggs declined to say when Disney will launch many of the initiatives, though some elements — such as interactive queues — have been slowly rolling out in parks in recent months. Staggs said Disney has applied for "a number" of patents related to the work.

"It will be some time before we roll out the bulk of these developments," he said. "But we're well into development."

The decision to pump $1 billion or more into developing systems that help with vacation planning and crowd flow underscores one of the biggest challenges facing Disney's flagship theme-park resorts — particularly Disney World, which has four parks and roughly 25,000 hotel rooms.

As those resorts have grown bigger over the years, they have also become more complex to navigate and more crowded, threatening to undermine Disney's historically high guest-satisfaction ratings and to deter repeat visits.

"We know that our guests love creating great memories," Staggs said. "We also know they don't exactly relish waiting in line, checking in at the resort, worrying about missing their favorite attractions, or feeling uncertain about how to best navigate and access our properties."

There are risks. Former company officials have questioned whether technological advances would boost attendance or guest-spending enough to justify the billion-dollar price tag — or whether advance-planning by some guests could spoil the experience for those who do not pre-plan and arrive at a park only to find the most popular attractions already booked.

Privacy advocates could also protest if they think Disney is collecting too much personal information about its guests.

But Scott Smith, an instructor at the University of Central Florida's Rosen College of Hospitality Management, said there are also several advantages to the projects Disney described. Issuing hotel-room keys in advance, for instance, will ensure Disney gets its guests into its parks more quickly.

Smith likened it to similar advance-check-in options at some Las Vegas casino resorts where "the idea is that you go right to the craps table.

"Disney is probably looking at the same type of philosophy," Scott said. "The sooner we check you in, the sooner you go into our parks and start spending money."

Also, a new generation of technology-savvy travelers increasingly expects features such as customizable vacations and interactive attractions, he said.

"Their audience is so much more sophisticated now," Smith said. "If you're not investing in this already, you're going to get left behind. And the last thing Disney wants is to be saddled with the reputation of being old school."

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I agree that a huge issue would be how long it would take for someone to get a single FP at a central location. Right now, I put in my ticket and out pops the FP for that ride. I can swipe all 4 of my family's tickets in about 30 seconds and I'm on my way.

If you had to put your ticket in, choose the ride from a screen....oh wait....I meant the other ride....oh, wait...that isn't a good return time....let me try another ride....OK...that one works! Now repeat for my other 3 tickets. Dammit....I selected the wrong ride on ticket 4! Now I can't have the whole family together for that ride. Who can I complain to? CM!!!! Can you help me?

And the line behind be grows, and grows, and grows, and grows.
I’ve already been behind people at the counter service restaurants who don’t decide what they want until it’s their turn to order.
They stand in front of the cash register while they figure out if little Ronny would like pizza or mac and cheese. And, then, all of a sudden, they notice neither one of those choices are an option at that restaurant.
I think the same thing would happen with the OP’s suggestion for all the reasons you mentioned.
 
I’ve already been behind people at the counter service restaurants who don’t decide what they want until it’s their turn to order.
They stand in front of the cash register while they figure out if little Ronny would like pizza or mac and cheese. And, then, all of a sudden, they notice neither one of those choices are an option at that restaurant.
I think the same thing would happen with the OP’s suggestion for all the reasons you mentioned.

I think it was the comic Sinbad who complained he'd be behind people who did this at McDonald's. They'd start looking at the menu once they got to the register as if they'd never been to McD's before. And the menu on the left is the same menu as the one on the right!

Sorry, back to topic....
 
I like the idea.It would save me a ton of walking. I think a few" all ride" kiosks spread out through the park would help.One or two located at each ride would be sufficient and maybe a few at the entrances too. Good sound idea!
 
I’ve already been behind people at the counter service restaurants who don’t decide what they want until it’s their turn to order.
They stand in front of the cash register while they figure out if little Ronny would like pizza or mac and cheese. And, then, all of a sudden, they notice neither one of those choices are an option at that restaurant.
I think the same thing would happen with the OP’s suggestion for all the reasons you mentioned.

Oh no kidding....

DH: Just get the one for Space Mountain.

DW: The wha?

DH: Space Mountain?

DW: What about Thunder Mountain? Didn't we want that one?

DH: Maybe it was Splash Mountain.

DW: Oh that would be good.

DH: Maybe we should go to the hall of presidents first....

DW: Are you hungry?

Oh, it would just get horribly ugly......
 
Disney should update the FP machines so that I can get a FP for any FP ride (within a park) from any FP machine. That way, I could hit the RD and head to RNR but stop at the RNR FP machine and get a FP for TSM.

The way it is currently set up, if I'm at the RD for MK and head straight to Splash Mountain and BTM, I can get those rides out of the way before there is much of a line. But then, I need to walk all the way to Fantasyland or Tomorrowland (or JC) to get a FP.

What I am suggesting is that I be able to go to SplM/BTM and be able to get a FP for Space Mountain or PPF. Sure, I can get a FP for Splash or BTM but wouldn't it make more sense to be able to get a Buzz Lightyear FP that will have a window starting 45 minutes from the time I am getting on BTM???

This would easily allow people to better plan their way around the park (rather than doubling back to use FPs) and would likely provide a better opportunity for people to acutally use their FPs within the actual window.

I think this is a great idea, thoughts? I apologize if this has already been suggested.

According to an article that I read recently, Disney is working on something where guests could choose their rides and FPs ahead of time. They could make reservations, like we can do now with ADRs. It sure would be nice not to have to backtrack all over the park. As the non thrill rider, running for FPs falls to me and it can get exhausting!
 
The FP system was intended to "save your place in line" which presupposes you're in a position that you would otherwise be getting in line. Instead of getting in line, you get a FP to save your place. If you get a FP anywhere then you're not in a position to get in line for that particular ride. I know it would be more convenient for us not to have to run all over the park for FP's but the way it is actually fits with Disney's objective. I would just like to have FP distribution times shown all over the park, so you can decide whether it's worth it to go all the way over there to get a FP or not--without having to depend on an app.

This answer sums it up best...by going to the FP machine at the specific ride you wanted...you basically did everything the person getting in the standby line did except getting in line, instead you got a pass that saved your spot in line...Its crowd control...plain and simple
 
They actually experimented with a "Central FP Distribution" a couple of years ago at DAK.

It didn't pan out.

Hey Robo,

I was there during the experiment, and I found the way they administered it it kind of odd. Before rope drop (or before they opened the machines, I suppose) the machines were covered and not labeled. On my first day I actually thought each one was the same, and that you'd be able to choose at each individual machine what FP you would like.

I remember joining a line on the first day behind one of the machines, and people on line asking the CMs to tell them which machine was for which ride. The CMs would not tell, and it was sort of a joke among the CMs and the people on line.

Then when they uncovered the machines and put up signs indicating which one was for which ride, there was a scramble while everyone reassembled themselves on lines, now behind the machine they really wanted. it seemed like a really silly set-up.

Do you know if this is how they did it during the entire experiment, or just during the time I was there?

(I suppose it's irrelevant, especially since this only affected the rope drop people, but I am curious.)
 
That's why I like Disney Mobile Magic app for Verizon phones - it gives fast pass availability and the return time for those available fast passes so you can avoid walking across the park only to find out that the fast passes are gone or are for a time that doesn't fit our schedule.

And in my second thread-meandering question, Cruisingkat, do you find the fastpass & line info to be pretty accurate on that app?
 
The FP system was intended to "save your place in line" which presupposes you're in a position that you would otherwise be getting in line. Instead of getting in line, you get a FP to save your place. If you get a FP anywhere then you're not in a position to get in line for that particular ride. I know it would be more convenient for us not to have to run all over the park for FP's but the way it is actually fits with Disney's objective. I would just like to have FP distribution times shown all over the park, so you can decide whether it's worth it to go all the way over there to get a FP or not--without having to depend on an app.

This answer sums it up best...by going to the FP machine at the specific ride you wanted...you basically did everything the person getting in the standby line did except getting in line, instead you got a pass that saved your spot in line...Its crowd control...plain and simple

Evidently, nothing personal ktfelt, but this answer doesn't "sum it up best".

Judging by the Sentinel article posted by KSDisneyDad, Disney has already spent time and money researching the concept of improving the system (and is looking to spend a whole lot more).

Subsequently, not to get off topic, but I love the Next Gen FP System concept. I am a commando-style planner, so that would fit my agenda nicely. Now, if they would only figure out a way for me to save myself a spot on the parade route so that I can just show up 5 minutes prior to the start, that would be worth the $1 Billion investment.
 
And in my second thread-meandering question, Cruisingkat, do you find the fastpass & line info to be pretty accurate on that app?

This app will give you exactly what is posted on the wait times boards and at the rides. Its plugged directly into the Disney FP system.

So its as accurate as those times are.
 
FastPasses at Disney work. They really do. Are they perfect? No. Do people want more? Yes. But the system works. Enough said. Why the heck would Disney want to do anything more?

Wasn't Star Tours "good enough", how about the Hunchback Musical at the old MGM, "good enough", no? Or the old Television Set Houses at the end of the Backlot Tour, that "worked".

Why would Disney change these? or any number of other things? The current Fantasyland works, but they are spending $$$$ to make it better.

Look, I utilize the FP system as it currently exists, and I think I'm pretty good at making it work for me. But I think it can and needs to be better.
 
I am not afraid of WDW change, generally. But I do fear that a centralized FP system in the parks would be problematic. So many times when I am getting a FP, standing at the FP machine, I hear (I'm sure you've heard it too) other guests asking CMs or anyone "What's this for again?"

Linking the physical location at least gives it some hope of operational success. Requiring you to walk over there disperses crowd a little. And it makes sense on flow prediction that you are at that park and intend to use the FP.

As for the (still theoretical) "you can get your FP before you even come to DW" -- I'll believe it when I see it, and highly doubt it would work, because it does not link to location, move people, or account for changes in plans. I suppose that'll free up the standby line some, since there will be less percentage FP return. But it could also drain out the FPs.
 

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