FAA institutes no-fly zone over Disneyworld!

Carol RN

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This is scary! Read on......


FAA announces code orange flight restrictions
From Patty Davis
CNN Washington Bureau
Tuesday, March 18, 2003 Posted: 7:06 PM EST (0006 GMT)

The airspace over Walt Disney World is off-limits to aircraft without special
permission.
SPECIAL REPORT

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Federal Aviation Administration Tuesday announced
flight restrictions for aircraft flying in the New York City and Washington
areas, and near Disney World and Disneyland.

The restrictions, which affect both commercial and private aircraft, are in
conjunction with the government raising the terrorism threat level in the
United States from yellow (elevated) to orange (high) as U.S. forces are poised
for war in Iraq. Airspace restrictions announced Tuesday will remain in effect
indefinitely, the FAA said.

"We're taking measures to correspond with the threat level to protect the
airspace. That which is inside that airspace are potential targets of symbolic
value," FAA spokesman Greg Martin said.

But he added, "there is no specific, credible threat for Disney."

The new regulations in effect create a no-fly zone around Disney World in
Orlando, Florida and Disneyland in Anaheim, California. Unless pilots are
granted specific exemptions from air traffic controllers, no flights are
allowed within a 3-mile radius around the parks or below 3,000 feet.

Government officials said the Disney restrictions are not based on any specific
or new information, but rather stem from a general concern about those two
locations as possible terror targets.

Counterterrorism officials said the Disney parks have come up in interviews
with al Qaeda operatives. Pictures and information about the parks have been
found during some terror sweeps overseas, they say.

Officials said the two parks fit the bill for desirable targets: they are
symbolic, they attract a huge number of people on any given day, and hitting
them could cause economic distress because it would cause people to stay away
from tourist sites or recreational facilities.

One senior counterterrorism official said "it's only prudent" to make those
locations more secure.

The FAA has imposed temporary flight restrictions over Disney parks on and off
since the September 11 terror attacks.

Disney spokeswoman Leslie Goodman said the latest airspace restriction is
nothing new and expressed concern the latest restriction is unnecessarily
worrying visitors. She complained Disney's phones have been ringing off the
hook with anxious vacationers calling.

Also new is the Air Defense Identification Zone, which extends for a 30-mile
radius around the New York City area's three major airports: Kennedy, LaGuardia
and Newark, New Jersey. All aircraft in the zone flying below 18,000 feet must
have a flight plan and be in continual contact with air traffic controllers
through transponders onboard and verbal contact from pilots.

In Washington, a 30-mile restricted zone was imposed February 10 when the
nation's security alert was raised from yellow to orange. That February
restriction also required all aircraft to have flight plans on file and
required transponders and continual pilot contact, but the flight-plan
requirement was lifted for Washington after the alert was lowered back to
yellow. Tuesday, the FAA re-imposed the flight-plan requirement in the
Washington zone.

The FAA also reinstituted a requirement imposed under the previous orange alert
that aircraft based at three smaller airports in the Washington area first land
at a "gateway" airport for clearance by the Transportation Security
Administration before proceeding on to their base airports. The three airports
are College Park, Potomac Airfield and Washington Executive/hyde, all in
Maryland.
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we were in Disneyland on 9-11 and this was a really nice thing to read if you ask me. I think it is really smart for them to do it. We feared that alot on 9-11 being in Anaheim...although it didnt pan out it was still scary to be there and think that they could have done something in DL while we were there. I am happy to hear that they are taking alot of precautions to keep people safe and I would feel much safer going there now!!!

JMO
Heidi
 
Nah Carol, not scary. Merely pragmatic. These procedures are intended to promote public safety and ease visitor concerns.

If I remember correctly, two of the Septemnber 11 terrorists spent a week in Las Vegas prior to embarking on their murderous acts. They spent the time gambling, drinking, whoring - everything contrary to fundamentalist Islam. My point (if any - lol)? Everyone, even a terrorist, needs a break.

Perhaps a Disney vacation should become mandatory for all Americans to alleviate the stress of world events...
 

I don't quite understand the contradiction in saying that the precautions are "not based on any specific information" but to then go on to say :
"the Disney parks have come up in interviews with al Qaeda operatives. Pictures and information about the parks have been found during some terror sweeps overseas"

It is difficult to know whether Disney has been mentioned amongst many possible targets or whether it holds distinct status in the minds of these madmen.
 
I think this is great news!! I applaud the FAA's decision and don't find it scary but very prudent on their part. Personally, I think that WDW and DL are treasured Americana and any efforts made to make them even safer are most welcomed. IMHO, as the standard bearers for dreams coming true, special wishes and magical moments, it is important that WDW and DL are as safe as possible for their visitors.....and the emotional strength of our country.

While authorities may not be intercepting specific radio or e-mail chatter about them right now, I am so relieved to see that they have kept both parks on their list of issues to address. Based on what was found previously among AlQuaeda documents, I think it is very wise to operate from a pro-active position instead of a "Oh, I wish we had." And, I'm glad to see that the Disney Company concurs and is supporting it.
 
I think the no fly Zone is a great idea. We have been to Yankee Stadium many times in the last two years with a no fly zone and to Disney World in November of 2001 with a no fly zone. Believe me, it was nice to look up and see just sky. I can't tell you how long it took me after 9-11 to stop the jitters inside my stomach each time I looked up and saw any type of aircraft. It is a tremendous comfort knowing the FAA is helping to look after this great country!
:earsboy: :earsgirl: :earsgirl: :earsgirl: :earsgirl:
 
Hi Goofy Girl,

I so agree with you!! We attend many Yankee games (were at the 10-11-01 game-one month after the attacks-and at WDW and the cruise also November 2001. I still cannot walk through the city without looking up when I hear a plane. My son still asks "is that plane flying too low?"

We are proud of NY & love Disney and just makes us feel better protected. Hope to see you this summer at "The Stadium!!" We attend every Saturday home game.

Valerie
 
I think this is great too. I, also, still get scared when I see one over head. I think this will make me feel much safe when we go on our next trip.
 
Doubtless a no-fly zone will improve safety. Yet there remain some unanswered questions.

Presumably there could be sleeper terrorist cells almost anywhere.

Does anyone interpret the FAA action as a suggestion that Disney is a specific target - or are these simply sensible general precautions?
 
Matthew,

Could be a little of both. I do notice since we have visited Disney several times since 9-11 there always seems to be a helicopter flying overhead. I think there has been a watchful eye on the sky there since, but now this is extra precaution.



Goofy girl,

Thanks for the PM. I PM'd you back.

Valerie
 
They just reported on the evening news that Disney is suffering financial losses due to the falling off of tourism at their parks.

MJ
 
Sorry to be the nay-sayer of the group, but a no-fly zone does not make me feel safer at all.

Why do we think that terrorists would obey a no-fly zone? It's not like the Twin Towers were a "fly-zone". These are criminals and they do not care what the FAA has instituted. If they want to do harm, they will. These measures do nothing to actually improve public safety, they are just for public relations, IMHO.
 
I would imagine the benefit of having a no-fly zone would be that it would be EASIER to distinguish a hostile flight! If planes go into restricted air space the air force then has the abililty to decide IF they should shoot down the plane BEFORE it does any damage. That was one thing they DID learn on 9-11 was that they wasted too much time trying to decide if the planes were hostile or just off course. At least this way they have the ability to say HEY YOU are in RESTRICTED air space and if they dont move out of it like for instance they strayed into it by accident they will move out of the air space..if not they would know they were dealing with a hostile aircraft and could then make the decision to shoot it down BEFORE it got close enough to do any major damage. I still feel safer knowing that they are at least aware now that it COULD happen and they are being proactive in their approach. At least the decision to shoot would be easier (if that is possible) to make!!!! While yeah the terrorists wouldnt exactly behave and leave the air space they would at least know that they werent moving out of it and could be proactive in their approach!

JMO
Heidi
 
Sorry, but as one who drives past the Pentagon and through the Federal district in Washington DC twice a day, theses people are only doing what they hope will Make each of us safer.

Let's give them a break and consider that every single person making these rules has family, friends, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters too.

And here in Washington DC, like New York, we all lost family, friends, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters too.

We are trying to protect those left behind.

We Will.

Because we are Americans, and that's what we do.

IMHO.
 
Hi Mcnuss.

Why do we think that terrorists would obey a no-fly zone?

I agree. Heck, they refuse to acknowledge the existence of civilians. However, ever since September 11th, the term "hijack" has taken on a new connotation. No more flights to Cuba and such. More than likely passengers will not wait at the first sign of an "incident." The terorists know this and, therefore, will probably try different tactics.

May we all know better days...
 
Originally posted by mjbarnard
Doubtless a no-fly zone will improve safety. Yet there remain some unanswered questions.

Presumably there could be sleeper terrorist cells almost anywhere.

Does anyone interpret the FAA action as a suggestion that Disney is a specific target - or are these simply sensible general precautions?

According to recent Associated Press news stories, Disney actually requested this action after the September 11th terrorist attacks. It's just now being fully implemented.

Evidently, they have no evidence that Disney is a specific target. They DO however consider the Disney parks a highly symbolic target and, often, a highly populated one.
 
Originally posted by ThreeCircles

Evidently, they have no evidence that Disney is a specific target. They DO however consider the Disney parks a highly symbolic target and, often, a highly populated one.

The terorists know this and, therefore, will probably try different tactics.

I agree 100% with both these posts. If the terrorists strike a symbolic target, and I believe they will try, they will not use the same tactics.

I also agree with Hydster that having the no-fly zone does enable the FAA to more quickly determine whether the plane's intentions are hostile or benign. Unfortunately, by the time they realize this, there will unlikely be enough time to scramble jets to shoot it down, and the risk to people on the ground would be very significant.

Last, jgalecpa, I never intended to imply that the people making these decisions have anything less than good intentions. If you lost friends or family on 9/11., then please accept my condolences. But plase don't imply that because I don't drive through DC every day, I don't understand about people's losses to terrorism. I am a native New Yorker, lived in DC for 10 years, and travel to both cities 4-5x per month. I had clients in the WTC who all got out safely, thank God. I have a client at 1 Liberty, and have spent more hours than I care to looking down from a conference room window at what was once the WTC. I remember the night that they turned on all the lights in the Twin Towers for the first time. We could see it from our home in North Jersey. I was in the air on 9/11. If 9/11 had been 9/12, I would have been in the WTC with 3 other people from my company. There is nobody who was not touched in some way by the despicable acts of those criminals on 9/11.

So I agree that we must take all precautions, but we must also think them through and decide what will really work, not make annoucements to the press intended to make people feel better about traveling. If Disney announced that it was going to have bomb-sniffing dogs in the parking lots and/or metering devices for radioactive materials at every gate, then I would really feel safer.
 
mcnuss

You certainly have a valid point in your last message. I do have to agree that people would feel MUCH safer if they did more at the entrance to the park. I did hear the no fly zone over the disney parks were due to chemical or biological warfare rather than the threat of them crashing a plane into them. I dont know that makes a big difference but I thought it was interesting. I do have to say that the security at the parks was very LACKING when we were there in November. I could have had a ton of things to hurt people in my sons stroller and it was NEVER EVER searched! Their bag searches were pointless and just made the lines longer but didnt make me feel much safer. I think in this day and age metal detectors, bomb sniffing and radioactive sensors are the only way we will be safe on the ground. I think the terrorists are going to change their approach and planes are the last thing they would use. In many days after 9-11 it was said that had the air force known then what we know now they could have done something for the last flight and scrambled from DC to that flight and maybe made a difference. I do have to say though I do agree that they (disney) needs to take a more pro-active approach to security on the ground maybe more so than the faa restriction imposed.

Heidi
 

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