Evolution vs Creation

There is not any way to scientifically prove that the earth started with evolution. Just as I can not scientifically prove that God created the earth in 7 days. Both are impossible to reproduce therefore any thing relating to the origins of earth or life on earth are theory. I can however come up with evidence to support my belief. Just as evolution does.
Again I am talking about Macro Evolution

You have stated a couple of times now that you have proof to back up your beliefs.

I, for one, would be very interested to learn about that proof.

If it is not too much trouble, would you mind sharing? Thanks!
 
I glad to hear that. I've always wondered if there were people that believed the evolution and God co-existed. I've always been a science person which is why I had a hard time believing about the 7 literal days.

I'm enjoying this insight from others.

I absolutely believe in G-d..I don't think that believing in evolution has to contradict that..As many many Jews do, I view the story in Genesis as just that... A story.
 
people evolving from monkeys are not facts.


And just like Evolution does not state the Earth is "millions" of years old, it also does not state that people evolved from Monkeys.


I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I think that in order to debate the issue of Evolution, it is important to first understand Evolution.
 
I glad to hear that. I've always wondered if there were people that believed the evolution and God co-existed. I've always been a science person which is why I had a hard time believing about the 7 literal days.

I'm enjoying this insight from others.

In my opinion, you have to really have blinders on to think that evolution does not exist. I also think reading the Bible literally (like thinking God based "his days" on the modern Western Civilization calendar :rotfl: ) is just not the way it was meant. However, a lot of people, I think, fear science and whetherit could be used to disprove God. That's not how I see science.
 

The theory of evolution does not state that man evolved from Monkeys..It states that man and apes have a common ancestor


Evolution science does not pull the idea that the earth is billions of years old out of thin air and work backwards... Facts show us thatthat the earth is billions of years old...The theory of evolutions seeks to explain what happened in those billions of years.
 
Theory of Evolution has never stated that Humans evolved from monkeys. To state it briefly, humans and monkeys have a common ancestor and one obviously evolved a bit more. :)
 
here you go --- from PBS

Where We Came From
1. Did we evolve from monkeys?
Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.
Learn More
Human Evolution

2. How did humans evolve?
Since the earliest hominid species diverged from the ancestor we share with modern African apes, 5 to 8 million years ago, there have been at least a dozen different species of these humanlike creatures. Many of these hominid species are close relatives, but not human ancestors. Most went extinct without giving rise to other species. Some of the extinct hominids known today, however, are almost certainly direct ancestors of **** sapiens. While the total number of species that existed and the relationships among them is still unknown, the picture becomes clearer as new fossils are found. Humans evolved through the same biological processes that govern the evolution of all life on Earth. See "What is evolution?", "How does natural selection work?", and "How do organisms evolve?"
 
And just like Evolution does not state the Earth is "millions" of years old, it also does not state that people evolved from Monkeys.


I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I think that in order to debate the issue of Evolution, it is important to first understand Evolution.

:thumbsup2
 
My wife broke up with a guy because the dolt thought dinosaurs and humans lived together. I wonder if he was warped by watching too much of the Flintstones???

You said you wouldn't attack another poster for believing that but you just called someone else a dolt for believing it. Isn't that sorta the same thing?
 
The guy that took me to my senior prom believed dinosaurs still co-existed here on Earth in parts of Africa and South Africa. He was never able to really explain why he believed that though.

Aren't birds living dinosaurs? I'm guessing that's not the kind he was talking about though.
 
I'm baffled by those who don't think one can believe in both God *and* evolution. I'm of the firm belief that evolution of the earth's species is exactly what God planned. YMMV, but why it has to be one or the other eludes me.
 
You said you wouldn't attack another poster for believing that but you just called someone else a dolt for believing it. Isn't that sorta the same thing?

Well, but if it's your wife's ex-boyfriend.....:rotfl:
 
Here is some scientifically proven FACT, not Theory:

How Old Is The Earth, And How Do We Know?

The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.

Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface.

The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.

While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.

The most direct means for calculating the Earth's age is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204.

If the solar system formed from a common pool of matter, which was uniformly distributed in terms of Pb isotope ratios, then the initial plots for all objects from that pool of matter would fall on a single point.

Over time, the amounts of Pb-206 and Pb-207 will change in some samples, as these isotopes are decay end-products of uranium decay (U-238 decays to Pb-206, and U-235 decays to Pb-207). This causes the data points to separate from each other. The higher the uranium-to-lead ratio of a rock, the more the Pb-206/Pb-204 and Pb-207/Pb-204 values will change with time.

If the source of the solar system was also uniformly distributed with respect to uranium isotope ratios, then the data points will always fall on a single line. And from the slope of the line we can compute the amount of time which has passed since the pool of matter became separated into individual objects. See the Isochron Dating FAQ or Faure (1986, chapter 18) for technical detail.

A young-Earther would object to all of the "assumptions" listed above. However, the test for these assumptions is the plot of the data itself. The actual underlying assumption is that, if those requirements have not been met, there is no reason for the data points to fall on a line.

The resulting plot has data points for each of five meteorites that contain varying levels of uranium, a single data point for all meteorites that do not, and one (solid circle) data point for modern terrestrial sediments.

graphs and continued article here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
 
You said you wouldn't attack another poster for believing that but you just called someone else a dolt for believing it. Isn't that sorta the same thing?

I called my wife's ex boyfriend a dolt for being a an ex boyfriend. I think that's always justifiable. He was dumb for many reasons. Religion was the least of his problems.
 
I grew up Southern Baptist too, and was a very inquisitive child. Things bothered me if they couldn't be explained. I was told there was really no proof of dinosaurs, we never went to the moon, to study space was evil because God gave us the earth but not space, etc. One of my most vivid Sunday School memories was asking who Cain married (if no one was around but Adam and Eve after Cain slew Abel and was sent into exile), and was told that is where black people came in. I'm not joking!

The ignorance of it all caused a real crisis of faith for me, until I went to a Southern Baptist (how ironic) college and had a wonderful professor who opened my eyes to other possibilities.

I am a Christian, but I don't believe in a literal translation of most of the Bible. Jesus loved to teach in parables, or stories. I believe a large portion of the Bible (and most of Genesis) is a story meant to teach, not a history lesson! My son is 10, and very bright, and started asking questions the other day. For the first time I explained MY belief to him, but told him it was up to him to come up with his own beliefs.

Too much judgement and hate in some Christian communities in my humble opinion!

I don't discuss any of this with my family-just sit and cringe when they start their end time discussion!
 
I don;t have a problem with evolution either. I think we're still evolving and will always be evolving. I think whether the earth is 6,000 years old or 6 billion years old, God was there from the beginning, the Alpha and the Omega. In fact, it really makes more sense to me to think of time going back billions of years ago because of God. :) It is always possible that there was time (and maybe life) before Genesis 1:1.

If all of that creation vs. evolution stuff was important to God's overall plan, I think it would have been made much more clear. Other than that, I think the story of Adam and Eve is told for a very particular reason--and not for history of the start of the world either. :)
 
I grew up Southern Baptist too, and was a very inquisitive child. Things bothered me if they couldn't be explained. I was told there was really no proof of dinosaurs, we never went to the moon, to study space was evil because God gave us the earth but not space, etc. One of my most vivid Sunday School memories was asking who Cain married (if no one was around but Adam and Eve after Cain slew Abel and was sent into exile), and was told that is where black people came in. I'm not joking!

:faint: :eek:

Well, I was told that very thing by a Mormon! :eek: Black people came from Cain. Geez. :faint:

I'm sorry you were taught that in a SBC. I have never heard of all that. I know that I have seen shows on TV where people believe we have not been to the moon but I have never heard of that in a church! God gave us earth and not space??? :rolleyes: oh brother!

Oh brother, oh brother, oh brother. :sad2:

Some people should not be teaching in church is all I have to say. :sad2:

Where do people come up with this stuff???

You know, those are the same people who think jesus was a white American male.:headache:
 
You have stated a couple of times now that you have proof to back up your beliefs.

I, for one, would be very interested to learn about that proof.

If it is not too much trouble, would you mind sharing? Thanks!

Sure no problem. But it is a huge topic to get into so if you want to ask a specific question it might be a little easier for me.
I do have to say that most of this won't convince anyone of anything. Again it starts out with a belief on my part. for me the Science part is secondary. I don't believe it because of the science. I don't care if people still don't believe me it starts out with my faith and is not something that is meant to convince. I learned this so that I could hold my ground in a discussion.

I also have to say that I did not answer this to convert or convince anyone. Someone asked about my belief and I responded. Also I guess proof isn't the best word Evidence yes Theories based on both that evidence and what the Bible says yes. But I can't prove anything. So if I said proof I apologize I used the wrong word.

This is also a little hard for me. It's a lot easier for me to talk about this subject then it is for me to write about it. This is What I Believe take it for what you will.

When it comes to dinosaurs I believe that they lived on earth right along side humans. They have found fossilized foot prints of a dinosaur and right beside them was a set of human footprints. I also believe that there were dinosaurs on the ark. Before the flood people lived a lot longer then they do now. So did the animals. Reptiles grow all of there lives therefore it makes since that if both humans and animals were living a lot longer that lizards and other reptiles would grow a lot bigger. After the flood the whole earth changed. Life spans got shorter and shorter. Also some of the plants and food that had been in abundance before where harder to find. Eventually the species either died out or though micro evolution got smaller and smaller.

I have a class now so I won't be able to respond back tonight. Again this is simply my belief and nothing more. I believe this to be true. You don't have to.
 


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