Evolution vs Creation

[yearbook50]

I was reading on another thread in the Theme Parks forum how they are disturbed Disney promotes the Theory of Evolution in Dinosaur. This got me wondering.

As a non-religious person, maybe I don't really understand it, but how does the fundamentalist Christians describe the existence of Dinosaurs and other ancient ages of time?

I was raised Southern Bapist, but a lot of questions like these made me lose a lot of my religious beliefs as when I suggested that maybe God's "7 days" were actually expanded days taking place on millions of years rather than our traditional 24 hours so that evolution could happen over the course of time my youth pastor told me I was being a devil child.

I hope this thread remains a civil discussion.

 

[Charade]

link?

If they don't like it, don't ride it. Simple.

 

[dcentity2000]

I have a very simple version of events.

God created all life via evolution. Heck, he didn't even have to guide everything the whole way through - all he had to do was create reality et al and watch things unveil.





Rich::

 

[JoyG]

I'm a fundamentalist christian.

I've heard several explanations for dinosaurs:

1. They existed before Adam and Eve (God's days are longer than ours).
2. They existed with man...the Bible describes two creatures that could be dinosaurs: Leviathan and Behomeah (sp?)
3. We don't know where dinosaurs fit in and will ask God when we see him.


FWIW, for a long time I identified most closely with number 3, but now I think number 1 is correct.

 

[swilphil]

I'm with Rich. God created Evolution. Some people are still evolving.

 

[suzij13]

As a Creationist and a Christian It is a particular hobby of mine learning how to defend my beliefs in a scientific way. A lot of the evidence is taking the same things that people use to prove evolution. (I'm talking marco evolution not Micro. Micro Evolution can be proven and is a fact. Macro however is a theory and a belief.) As a Creationist I start with the belief that God created the earth in 7 literal days. Evolution starts out with the belief that the earth is millions of years old. Both sides start out with a belief and then use the evidence to back up that belief.
The simple answer is that humans and dinosaurs lived at the exact same time. They were actually created on the exact same day.
I will happy to answer any questions any one has about what I believe if they are asked in nice way.

 

[JennyMominRI]

. Evolution starts out with the belief that the earth is millions of years old. Both sides start out with a belief and then use the evidence to back up that belief.
.

That is not how scientific method works

 

[Buckalew11]

I'm a fundamentalist christian.

I've heard several explanations for dinosaurs:

1. They existed before Adam and Eve (God's days are longer than ours).
2. They existed with man...the Bible describes two creatures that could be dinosaurs: Leviathan and Behomeah (sp?)
3. We don't know where dinosaurs fit in and will ask God when we see him.


FWIW, for a long time I identified most closely with number 3, but now I think number 1 is correct.

Funny how S. Baptists can be so different, LOL. I was raised SB and any of the above scenerios could be the answer. We know they existed, that's for sure. I have met religious people who thought they they did not and that if you thought they did, it made you "against God."

I have no problem with any of the rides at WDW. I have looked at all of them through those eyes trying to find what some people see so wrong and can't. Oh well.

 

[suzij13]

That is not how scientific method works

There is not any way to scientifically prove that the earth started with evolution. Just as I can not scientifically prove that God created the earth in 7 days. Both are impossible to reproduce therefore any thing relating to the origins of earth or life on earth are theory. I can however come up with evidence to support my belief. Just as evolution does.
Again I am talking about Macro Evolution

 

[JoyG]

Funny how S. Baptists can be so different, LOL. I was raised SB and any of the above scenerios could be the answer. We know they existed, that's for sure. I have met religious people who thought they they did not and that if you thought they did, it made you "against God."

My first year teaching I taught Prek in a private christian school. My teacher's aide was dismayed that I was teaching dinosaurs b/c she believed dinosaurs were demons and existed when the universe was a dark void, before creation.

I don't know if there are many people who believe that, but in my 35 years, she's the only one to express it to me.

 

[JennyMominRI]

There is not any way to scientifically prove that the earth started with evolution. Just as I can not scientifically prove that God created the earth in 7 days. Both are impossible to reproduce therefore any thing relating to the origins of earth or life on earth are theory. I can however come up with evidence to support my belief. Just as evolution does.

Evolution does not say anything about how the earth itself was created, just how life developed on the earth..
Evolution itself is a fact .. Life evolves..The *theory* part is exactly how that process happens..

In science a hypothesis is an educated guess... That hypothesis is based on facts..The hypothesis is not pulled out of thin air

 

[yasmina]

link?

If they don't like it, don't ride it. Simple.

Exactly. I don't watch religious channels on TV. I won't go to the Creationist museum, or one of those "sinner's house of horrors" that abound at halloween, or that religious amusement park in Orlando (the name escapes me right now).

For the Creationists here:

If evolution doesn't exist, how do you explain MRSA?

 

[Disney Doll]

I go with the God created everything but a "day" in "God's time" could have been millions of years theory, so everything God created eveolved through millions of years.

Sort of a combination of the two.

I guess I'll ask God when I die.

 

[salmoneous]

As a Creationist and a Christian It is a particular hobby of mine learning how to defend my beliefs in a scientific way. A lot of the evidence is taking the same things that people use to prove evolution. (I'm talking marco evolution not Micro. Micro Evolution can be proven and is a fact. Macro however is a theory and a belief.) As a Creationist I start with the belief that God created the earth in 7 literal days. Evolution starts out with the belief that the earth is millions of years old. Both sides start out with a belief and then use the evidence to back up that belief.

If you really want to express things in a scientific way, you need to understand science. Evolution doesn't "start out with he belief that the earth is millions of years old" and then use evidence to back up that belief.

Faith and science are very different. It can be tough when you try to mix the two.

 

[Sir Ron]

Humans and dinosaurs did not live at the same time. Of all things that can proven and disproven, this ranks pretty high.

I'm not going to attack you for thinking in such a way, but it's not true in the slightest. Nor is it one of those things that's even debatable.


I was raised Southern Baptist and I still have my faith. However, I believe in God and evolution. I've never seen them as mutually exclusive items.

 

[yearbook50]

My first year teaching I taught Prek in a private christian school. My teacher's aide was dismayed that I was teaching dinosaurs b/c she believed dinosaurs were demons and existed when the universe was a dark void, before creation.

I don't know if there are many people who believe that, but in my 35 years, she's the only one to express it to me.

Wow, thats the first time I've heard about that.

The guy that took me to my senior prom believed dinosaurs still co-existed here on Earth in parts of Africa and South America. He was never able to really explain why he believed that though.

 

[Sir Ron]

My wife broke up with a guy because the dolt thought dinosaurs and humans lived together. I wonder if he was warped by watching too much of the Flintstones???

 

[yearbook50]

I was raised Southern Baptist and I still have my faith. However, I believe in God and evolution. I've never seen them as mutually exclusive items.

I glad to hear that. I've always wondered if there were people that believed the evolution and God co-existed. I've always been a science person which is why I had a hard time believing about the 7 literal days.

I'm enjoying this insight from others.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

Evolution starts out with the belief that the earth is millions of years old.

well if by "Evolution" you mean traditional Geological Science, try more like 4 to 5 Billion years old.

There are people in a local Church here who literally believe the Earth is a little over 6,000 years old and that God created the world in seven 24 hour periods.

Frankly, they have a hard time justifying evolution (the micro or macro version) OR Dinosaurs or any of it in terms which are supported by facts as most humans understand them. Their belief is better defended by simply saying they take a literal view of their interpretation of the Bible, and the explanation of it is a mystery which might or might not be explained by God at some further point in time. They believe it simply based upon their faith.

 

[suzij13]

Evolution does not say anything about how the earth itself was created, just how life developed on the earth..
Evolution itself is a fact .. Life evolves..The *theory* part is exactly how that process happens..

In science a hypothesis is an educated guess... That hypothesis is based on facts..The hypothesis is not pulled out of thin air

I agree that Micro evolution is a fact. Things like humans getting taller and different breeds of dogs are all proven facts.
However things like how old the earth is or people evolving from monkeys are not facts. That is Macro evolution there is no way to scientifically repeat any of this. For something to be considered a scientific fact you have to be able to repeat it or observe it.
An example is fossils are a scientific fact we can see them. However where the theory comes in is this. Most fossils were buried by floods. Macro Evolution says that over millions of years areas all over the world had floods. Creationism says (Using the Bible as our reference) That they were all placed at around the same time by a massive flood that covered all the earth. AKA the Flood from Noah's ark. This also explains why they found fossilized Jellyfish and other animals that shouldn't be able to fossilize because they don't have bones.
You can see how both sides start off with a belief. One that the earth is millions of years old and the other that the Bible and all the events described in it are true.