DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

[Dean]

How did they pull off BWV's Standard View? I was under the impression that that happened after the point total was established, but nothing else went up.

My recollection is the resort had opened but was still VERY early in sales.

Are you saying that when BWV started, DVD allotted 50,000 points to a Unit, but when it rolled out the Standard View category it then allotted lesser points to the same size Unit that were subsequently declared?

Bear with me as I try to digest this information. When BWV was initially proposed, it was going to have (for sake of discussion) 5,400,000 points. Maintenance fees would have been based on that amount. Then, some time before completion, DVD decides to lower BWV's point total to 4,900,000 points. BWV's budget would then have to be absorbed by 500,000 fewer points, resulting in higher MFs. Did BWV's original owners get any relief due to this change? Maybe its inaccurate to compare this situation to Vero Beach, but VB's owners got subsidized MFs when DVD modified the size of the VB resort after sales had begun.

I don't think they ever released how they made the change but your presumption is almost certainly the process they undertook.

In general this is something that any buyer either knew or should have known going in. As a rule I assume the worst and hope for the best, that approach has served me well. Written as I sit looking out the window of the Grand Mayan in Cabo with a direct and wonderful ocean view. As noted, there really isn't a lot they could do unless they reversed the trend and made weekends lower, something I doubt seriously would happen. While I have expected a reallocation for some time, I did not expect it to be quite as dramatic as it is. That makes me wonder if this is a forerunner to a minimum stay or advance booking options where you can book a longer stay earlier than a shorter one.

 

[bookwormde]

Here is my AKV room/view counts. If anyone has correction please let me know

Here is my count for AKV

Jambo

Value
8 dedicated studios
10 2br lock offs

Standard view (pool view)
3 dedicated studios
10 2br lock offs

Savanna view (pool view)
35 dedicated studios
57 2br lock offs
6 GVs

Club level
5 2br lock offs

Kidani

Standard view
48 2br lock offs
19 2br dedicated

Savanna view (pool view)
120 2br lock offs
121 2br dedicated
16 GVs

bookwormde

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Whether folks want to admit it or not, this latest reallocation has caused the biggest reason to force people to add on, whether or not it was an intended purpose.

There is no way I am going to play resort shuffle to try and make my points work. I will simply borrow and realize a devaluation of my DVC or be made to add on to continue to vacation as I had previously purchased to do so. Any other scenarios are just covering up what's really going on.

 

[MiaSRN62]

It's gonna force me out a 2 bedroom and into either two studios or a 1 bedroom for the same time period depending on the number of guests I have. It'll be hard to lose the kitchen....but as BWV Dreamin' said, I see it as just a devaluation of my DVC ownership. I think I could see 1 bedrooms gaining in popularity as the points climb and climb. Our usual OKW stay back in 2009 now will cost us 50 points more for the same week/unit/. That's a HUGE jump if you ask me.

Not all of us can stay for a full 7 night week or even switch to lower point seasons---it doesn't make sense nor is it fair to just presume some people can ?

Maria

 

[nickspace]

Why are they waiting till now to do this? DVC has been around for a long time so why now???

 

[Tiger926]

We are looking at a 15 point increase for our dates - we always go for 12-13 nights each year, obviously with weekends in there. Our exact same vacation next year will cost more, just as it did this year. We are at our limit for add-ons. We left a small cushion, and with last year's allocation and this year's it is almost gone. No more adding on for us - we'll just chop one night off, which means less money in Disney's pocket. We can still get 11 nights, but depending upon the view, we aren't left with much cushion, plus I'm a teacher, so I can only travel during a few times each year.

We are glad that the weekends have come down, as we've been paying for weekends for 5.5 years now. We aren't happy that we've seen increases this past year, and next year though. Whether it was necessary or not, it still leaves a bit of an unsettled feeling in our tummies about what might happen next? We bought DVC for stability and the ability to future plan, and the fact that it's being rocked a bit, leaves us with a worried feeling as we've committed a ton of money to DVC for the rest of our lifetimes.

Hope everyone is able to make these new point allocations work out for them, Tiger

 

[MiaSRN62]

Hi Nick...
This thread might get closed because the mods normally want all discussions on Point Re-Allocation to be in one central place. You can search out the boards and find a thread already ongoing.

But apparently over the years, there has been a trend where because he weekend points were so high in comparison to the weeknight, there would be vacancies on weekends ? In an attempt to rectify this issue, DVC is trying to even out the points a bit more across the charts. They are effectively hoping to even out reservations across the board. And this is all allowed via the tiny print in your signed contract----but something no sales person that I'm aware of ever mentions to potential Members.

This is probably not the best explanation Nick.....but you can definitely search out some good posts from the DVC gurus on these boards who could explain it better than I. It's frustrating for alot of us who have trouble with flexibility in our schedules---and there are some people out there who don't want to try and understand that and just look at it from the aspect that we're complainers......or, if the allocation is good for them and works to their advantage, then they don't even try and see the other side's story. So you could be met with some snide/abrupt replies so just put your fire retardant suit on if you decide to join in on some of those discussions Nick

Maria

 

[drusba]

Following up on the standard GVs at Kidani. I emailed to ask how many and where they are. They responded that two of the GVs at Kidani are now "standard." They apparently missed the location question so I have sent that one again.

 

[maminnie]

My add-on has virtually become worthless at the eleven month window as after two point reallocations it does not get me what it use to.

Oh well what can you do either deal with it or sell.....not sure what I am going to do at this point.

Between the rediculous food prices (increases) that I am hearing about and the point reallocation in addition to the reservation window (check in plus seven), I think our Disney days are coming to a close. I am so glad that my children are almost beyond Disney. This year's trip will likely be one of our last.

We have gone to Disney almost every year, spent a fortune on goods, services, and dining, but that doesn't seem to be enough for the Disney corporation at this point.

But as many will likely pipe in and say, there are many waiting in the wings to do what we have done for many years.

maminnie

 

[Disneycouple99]

TSMIII posted a link on page 37. http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-j6cqqHfptjltoNm4Ilzo Why not just expand the savanna north and keep them SV grand villas.

 

[Muushka]

Go to WDW when the points are lower?

Wonderful compassion.

I am going during the first 2 weeks of Dec. Allegedly the lowest time. My previous point usage for a 1 BR was 110 for 5 nights (2009).

It is now 140 for 5 nights. Any suggestions now?

So done with this thread.

 

[MiaSRN62]

We have gone to Disney almost every year, spent a fortune on goods, services, and dining, but that doesn't seem to be enough for the Disney corporation at this point.

Yep...this is another thing.....maybe do our Disney trips every other year ? And use our offiste timeshare on the opposite years and do Sea World/Universal primarily those years. It's another option. Because yearly trips are becoming less and less likely. I don't want any more points at this time unless I could pay cash outright for them. And even then, with two kids in college, if I had a large amount of cash it's most likely going right to the schools anyway.....


Maria

 

[nickspace]

Hi Nick...
This thread might get closed because the mods normally want all discussions on Point Re-Allocation to be in one central place. You can search out the boards and find a thread already ongoing.

But apparently over the years, there has been a trend where because he weekend points were so high in comparison to the weeknight, there would be vacancies on weekends ? In an attempt to rectify this issue, DVC is trying to even out the points a bit more across the charts. They are effectively hoping to even out reservations across the board. And this is all allowed via the tiny print in your signed contract----but something no sales person that I'm aware of ever mentions to potential Members.

This is probably not the best explanation Nick.....but you can definitely search out some good posts from the DVC gurus on these boards who could explain it better than I. It's frustrating for alot of us who have trouble with flexibility in our schedules---and there are some people out there who don't want to try and understand that and just look at it from the aspect that we're complainers......or, if the allocation is good for them and works to their advantage, then they don't even try and see the other side's story. So you could be met with some snide/abrupt replies so just put your fire retardant suit on if you decide to join in on some of those discussions Nick

Maria

Thanks Maria! I am not too concerned with snide remarks. One of the things that I have noticed about people with an area of expertise is that sometimes you find someone who is not humble about their knowledge when dealing with people that they deem as not as educated on that subject. Therefore coming to that understanding has helped me not to be bothered in those situations. It is actually a little entertaining to see that pattern repeated in countless situations.

Back to the topic... The question that I did pose at the onset of this thread take a different angle and I would hope that this thread will not be closed so we may come to a better understanding on how we can take advantage of the point adjustment. I would like this to be a strategy thread and not a gripe thread.

 

[dsanner106]

For my family, the changes will be huge, we have been weekday travelers in the past. With the new chart, we and thousands of others will no longer benefit from this and start focusing on weekend travel, making the competition for weekend rooms MUCH harder. THe folks doing the split reservations will continue to do so, and the practice will probably increase as families try to stretch out. Having increased my points the very day the new charts came out, I am very disappointed. My careful plans for the future point use were wiped out 3 hours later. The real losers here are the families who can only travel weekends and want to stay places other than their home resort. Weekends just won't be available. Overall, I am not too happy with the changes, my fear is that the newly created weekend overload problem will be solved by upping the weekend points again and leaving the weekdays, with the end effect of boosted points everywhere.

D

 

[missy2217]

I see alot of negative comments so I wanted to see for myself what a usual week would cost us 2010 vs 2011. A 2 bedroom SSR 299 vs 292. We would actually save 7 points in 2011 for the same week.

 

[bookwormde]

OK here is my first run on AKV

Methodology, loaded 2010 calendar year (both 2010 and 2011 charts), from past loads I have found no more than .2% variance with this methodology between different loaded years. All 2br lockoffs as 2brs

List is 2010 charts then 2011 charts and the change

Value 158178 135104 -5074
Standard 1051883 1080681 28798
Savanna 6098906 6234114 135208
Club 101635 106415 4780

Totals 7410602 7574314 163712

This equates to 2.21% or about $18,335,744 at $112/pt

Interesting as that is if you change 2 GVs and 42 2brs from
Savanna view to standard view it is very close to the same 160,000 points.

I will let everyone draw his or her own conclusions.

I will double check to entries and algorithm the morning but I am pretty sure it is substantially accurate.

I think it will be interesting to see how quickly they pull the AKV charts down as a measure of how closely they monitor Disboards.

bookwormde

 

[maminnie]

The only way to deal with the point reallocation is adjust the time of year you go, the size of the unit you stay in, the number of days you stay, or the resort you stay at. Beyond that we are locked into what ever Disney and DVC dictates as far as points per night at each resort. I think it really is that straight forward unfortunately for all of us.

If one can't deal with that then they need to make a decision as to what to do with their DVC investment if it is no longer working for them. That is where we are personally at with our large initial purchase and our smaller add-on.

maminnie

 

[jekjones1558]

In some cases folks might consider booking resorts with lower cost rooms, like BWV standard or OKW. We love both of these resorts.

 

[MiaSRN62]

One of the things that I have noticed about people with an area of expertise is they are often not humble about their knowledge when dealing with people that they deem as not as educated on that subject.

Couldn't agree more with your statement here Nick. I have been the recipient of a couple of them over the years

But I pretty much exhausted my strategy for the coming years in my above posts....and of course, there could be ANOTHER allocation and it might slant a bit more back in my favor in 2012 or beyond ? Just never know. Maybe ride out these couple of years and just skip going to disney and bank points until the allocation tips a bit more in my favor ? But for now, we can stay cheaper renting two studios vs one two-bedroom for the same week. I will REALLY miss the kitchen/laundry, but the two bedrooms have really shot up. Our other option is the one bedrooms (since they sleep 5 officially at AKV and BLT). But my kids tend to hate the comfort level of the pull-outs so I could see either purchasing some good egg crates or air mattresses and doing a one bedroom to save the points the re-allocation took from us. I think a family meeting is in the plans !

Maria

 

[Brian Noble]

The obvious choices are: routinely transfer in, drop down a season, drop to a lower-point-cost resort, drop a day every so often and bank, borrow to round out and skip every N years, borrow to round out and rent an offsite pool home or condo every N years. I also know several DVCers who have purchsed resale Wyndham deeds recently, for access to Bonnet Creek, though personally I would just rent from a high-point VIP Wyndham owner if BC was my only "target resort" in the Wyndham system.

Dropping to a 1BR from a 2BR, especially at AKV or BLT, could work for a family of four or five---and you wouldn't have to do it every year. When OKW gets the sleeper chairs, that could work out okay too, but you won't have the second bath. Dropping to studios? I hate hotel rooms, but you could do it.

I would be inclined to borrow to round out, deferring the question of what to do when I finally ran dry. Who knows? By that time, you might find that taking a year off is just what the Doctor ordered. If you still want to visit Orlando, you can decide whether you'd like to transfer points in, rent offsite, etc. But, those years could be a good time to do something different rather than go back to Orlando yet again. We've recently been thinking about skiing for our February break, rather than heading south.