DVC point balancing 2022 vs 2021

[Heather07438]

Honestly, DVC has no duty nor concern of managing contract values. It's a happy fluke for owners because of the location and continued popularity of the theme parks. If the theme parks shut down or people lost interest know that the value would plummet in a heart beat.

I edited for clarity. I don’t mean just the dollar resale value but importantly the practical value ownership holds to members, though the 2 are related. If DVC was not or becomes less satisfying due to a combination of negative adjustments to owner experience, both values would fall together. A decent resale value reflects satisfaction of the experience.

 

[Bing Showei]

Given that we're already able to book through April 2022, and soon May 2022, I doubt there will be a change in 2022, but likely for 2023. Can you imagine having to go back and rebook all the existing 2022 reservations and manually adjusting those points, undoing any borrowing that may been required, and/or refunding any current use year points. especially as short handed as they are at the moment.

We can not yet book all the way through April 2022. May 24th will be the earliest day that a member can book a date that is adversely affected by the 7-season Easter shifted point charts. Disney would have anytime thereafter to adjust the charts with future dates lowered to compensate for the inflated point requirements because of the 7-season Easter shift problem (March 1-April 30). That was the suggested proposal for the fix this year.

The messed up part of the point charts (boxed out below in red) are still available to book through at least next week.



It appears with members having reached out, Disney Management decided the additional point requirements created by the 7-seasons did in fact need to be addressed, and that adjusting a later date in the summer/fall would allow them to fall in compliance with the terms of the POS (i.e., any increase offset by a decrease).

The absence of changes observed to date should not be interpreted as indication that a change is not forthcoming.

For example, if Disney decides they're going to drop the cost of additional days the first fourteen days of September 2022 to compensate/balance the manufactured points in April/May, they would have until October 1, 2021 to change the point charts.

My hope is that they do introduce a revised chart sooner rather than later, but given the attention that this has gotten (for better or worse), Disney may very well circle the wagons. I have no idea. All I know is that at one point, something similar to what I outline above was the proposed fix.

 

[RoseGold]

I find these responses all over the place strange, while we are all still waiting for that new chart and any kind of statement months later.

The delay is curiouser and curiouser. Surely the army of lawyers has a legal answer by now...

 

[EatMoreVeg]

I find these responses all over the place strange, while we are all still waiting for that new chart and any kind of statement months later.

The delay is curiouser and curiouser. Surely the army of lawyers has a legal answer by now...

Agreed! The longer it goes with no announcements or updating of the charts has me feeling they will just delay until it really is too late to allow for any changes!

 

[bobbiwoz]

I was hoping this would be straightened out by now.

 

[Heather07438]

I was hoping this would be straightened out by now.

Well now there’s VGF to think about. Nothing to see here lol

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

Well now there’s VGF to think about. Nothing to see here lol

MOVE ALONG!

 

[Eldon32]

We can not yet book all the way through April 2022. May 24th will be the earliest day that a member can book a date that is adversely affected by the 7-season Easter shifted point charts. Disney would have anytime thereafter to adjust the charts with future dates lowered to compensate for the inflated point requirements because of the 7-season Easter shift problem (March 1-April 30). That was the suggested proposal for the fix this year.

The messed up part of the point charts (boxed out below in red) are still available to book through at least next week.

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It appears with members having reached out, Disney Management decided the additional point requirements created by the 7-seasons did in fact need to be addressed, and that adjusting a later date in the summer/fall would allow them to fall in compliance with the terms of the POS (i.e., any increase offset by a decrease).

The absence of changes observed to date should not be interpreted as indication that a change is not forthcoming.

For example, if Disney decides they're going to drop the cost of additional days the first fourteen days of September 2022 to compensate/balance the manufactured points in April/May, they would have until October 1, 2021 to change the point charts.

My hope is that they do introduce a revised chart sooner rather than later, but given the attention that this has gotten (for better or worse), Disney may very well circle the wagons. I have no idea. All I know is that at one point, something similar to what I outline above was the proposed fix.

I have a call with Yvonne on the 28th to check for an update. I do want to point out though; DVCM may decide that the points required for the highlighted weeks correctly reflect the value and may instead decide to remove the points from Sept 1-19 or other ranges (even if it adds new seasons). Like I have expressed in my opinions before; I do not believe this issue is in any way "specifically" related to Easter.

 

[Bing Showei]

I have a call with Yvonne on the 28th to check for an update. I do want to point out though; DVCM may decide that the points required for the highlighted weeks correctly reflect the value and may instead decide to remove the points from Sept 1-19 or other ranges (even if it adds new seasons). Like I have expressed in my opinions before; I do not believe this issue is in any way "specifically" related to Easter.

Disney did decide there’s nothing wrong with the highlighted weeks, that’s why they’re proposing adjusting points later in the year to balance things out.

Of course makes the proposed solution all the more inane. Let’s say they drop the first few weeks of Sept “to adjust for demand” (low demand in this instance), when Easter shifts next year and there are slightly fewer added points because of the highlighted dates in 2023, will the September days suddenly go back up because they need “to adjust for demand” again?

It’s a bandaid. That’s fine for 2022, but for every other year, they need to address the 7-season point charts. It is quite specifically the problem.

 

[drusba]

Disney did decide there’s nothing wrong with the highlighted weeks, that’s why they’re proposing adjusting points later in the year to balance things out.

Of course makes the proposed solution all the more inane. Let’s say they drop the first few weeks of Sept “to adjust for demand” (low demand in this instance), when Easter shifts next year and there are slightly fewer added points because of the highlighted dates in 2023, will the September days suddenly go back up because they need “to adjust for demand” again?

It’s a bandaid. That’s fine for 2022, but for every other year, they need to address the 7-season point charts. It is quite specifically the problem.

Yes, DVC never admits to having done anything wrong. I assume any adjustment that is being put together for 2022 point charts, if one is actually being done, will be a one-year change and DVC will do something else for 2023. The adjustment needed to keep points at base year totals throughout the years, if DVC intends to keep the 7-season charts, is to put all nights between March 18 and April 30 every year, that are before and after the two Easter weeks, into season 5. It is now too late to do that for 2022. I do not know where any adjustments will actually be made, but if seasons remain the same, the change would need to be done for season 3 by May 24, 2021, so if not done by then we are looking at a change to season 1 or 2.

 

[bobbiwoz]

I have a call with Yvonne on the 28th to check for an update. I do want to point out though; DVCM may decide that the points required for the highlighted weeks correctly reflect the value and may instead decide to remove the points from Sept 1-19 or other ranges (even if it adds new seasons). Like I have expressed in my opinions before; I do not believe this issue is in any way "specifically" related to Easter.

I am glad you do have a planned call. This issue needs to be kept in front of them. Thank you.

 

[Sandisw]

Yes, DVC never admits to having done anything wrong. I assume any adjustment that is being put together for 2022 point charts, if one is actually being done, will be a one-year change and DVC will do something else for 2023. The adjustment needed to keep points at base year totals throughout the years, if DVC intends to keep the 7-season charts, is to put all nights between March 18 and April 30 every year, that are before and after the two Easter weeks, into season 5. It is now too late to do that for 2022. I do not know where any adjustments will actually be made, but if seasons remain the same, the change would need to be done for season 3 by May 23, 2021, so if not done by then we are looking at a change to season 1 or 2.

Or no longer have any weeks near Easter be premium.

Have premium only be Xmas. This way Easter weeks can for in Travel periods 4, 5 and 6.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Or no longer have any weeks near Easter be premium.

Have premium only be Xmas. This way Easter weeks can for in Travel periods 4, 5 and 6.

Easter was Premier for 30 years and that was fine. It is the surrounding time that they also need to keep the same and not have 2 seasons. Easter does book up well enough so I don't have particular arguments about it being Premier. The times around it could be lowered I believe and spread to other times that have gotten busier - ie, fall. Back to adjusting the 5 seasons is really all it takes and isn't very complicated.

 

[Louis morrell]

Is today the day? Maybe we should start a pool, winner take all.

 

[drusba]

Is today the day? Maybe we should start a pool, winner take all.

If DVC is going to make any 2022 change to season 3, today is the last date it can do so, i.e., beginning tomorrow, May 25, someone making a reservation 11-months out can book up to 7 nights that include May 1, 2022. If it intends to merely change season 1, it can wait until as late as Oct 24. A change to any other seasons would currently require a change in actual seasons, e.g., season 2 cannot get a decrease in daily points overall for 2022 because the Jan part of season 2 has already passed its 11-month out dates. To me, it is still anyone's guess as to what changes will be made and when (assuming changes are actually coming for 2022). It is too late to make the easy change that should have been made -- making all dates from March 18 to April 30, that are either before or after the two Easter weeks, part of season 5. Doing that for every year would have cured the excess annual points problem for the next 50 years.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

It is too late to make the easy change that should have been made -- making all dates from March 18 to April 30, that are either before or after the two Easter weeks, part of season 5. Doing that for every year would have cured the excess annual points problem for the next 50 years.

Rule of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money (or points), you never give it back.

 

[tidefan]

I have brought this up on the VGF thread as well, but I thought I'd also bring it up here since there are so many knowledgable folks on this thread.

How will the addition of new points into the existing VGF condo association affect those of us original VGF owners. I worry that by DVD adding additional points to the resort, it could devalue my original ownership, especially if they make the new "Resort Studios" have a higher point value, but allow those that purchase into the new building to access the original VGF inventory at 11 months. Essentially, it would create a LOT of competition for those original 47 studios. To me, that is not "enhancing" my membership...

 

[Leight19]

I have brought this up on the VGF thread as well, but I thought I'd also bring it up here since there are so many knowledgable folks on this thread.

How will the addition of new points into the existing VGF condo association affect those of us original VGF owners. I worry that by DVD adding additional points to the resort, it could devalue my original ownership, especially if they make the new "Resort Studios" have a higher point value, but allow those that purchase into the new building to access the original VGF inventory at 11 months. Essentially, it would create a LOT of competition for those original 47 studios. To me, that is not "enhancing" my membership...

I don’t own vgf but this is first issue I thought of as well. Dvc seems to be motivated more by profit then acting in best interest of owners and having higher point cost means they can sell more points. I guess it’s nice that shortage of studios in general goes down but current owners will have more problems competing for 1br and 2br with extra points in system and if the costs are higher at new studios, would likely need to spend more points for studios that are available. Combined with potential impact on resale prices, I would not be happy with this proposal if I was a vgf owner.

However, as owner in another resort this does have benefits as I imagine it will make 7mo studios more available.

 

[tidefan]

I don’t own vgf but this is first issue I thought of as well. Dvc seems to be motivated more by profit then acting in best interest of owners and having higher point cost means they can sell more points. I guess it’s nice that shortage of studios in general goes down but current owners will have more problems competing for 1br and 2br with extra points in system and if the costs are higher at new studios, would likely need to spend more points for studios that are available. Combined with potential impact on resale prices, I would not be happy with this proposal if I was a vgf owner.

However, as owner in another resort this does have benefits as I imagine it will make 7mo studios more available.

Yeah, I am a bit surprised that they didn't take the CCV/BRV approach and create 2 different condo associations. Seems like it would have been cleaner to do that.

I will say that this "can" be a net positive for existing VGF owners if it is done with care, so I will withhold judgement until I see what DVD actually comes up with, but it does bear watching as it could go the other way as well.

 

[JOLT]

I have brought this up on the VGF thread as well, but I thought I'd also bring it up here since there are so many knowledgable folks on this thread.

How will the addition of new points into the existing VGF condo association affect those of us original VGF owners. I worry that by DVD adding additional points to the resort, it could devalue my original ownership, especially if they make the new "Resort Studios" have a higher point value, but allow those that purchase into the new building to access the original VGF inventory at 11 months. Essentially, it would create a LOT of competition for those original 47 studios. To me, that is not "enhancing" my membership...

Wouldn't this be just like how AKL does it? points stay the same unless they make a new category. But Lake View/ Standard view should be the same points across the board.