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OK, I am new to DVC as most know. I am an HGVC convert and DVC and Club Intrawest lover!

However, I am absolutely SHOCKEd and amazed that members cannot look-up availability and book ressies online! This is a HUGE dissapointment... however, MS said they are working on it and it is on the way!

None the less, DVC is still le creme de la creme!
 
I would say that DVC is probably about the most complex reservation system that is imaginable.

First of all, a studio may be stand alone or often part of a 2BR set up. Same thing with a 1 BR accommodations. So "availability" is not an easy thing to check on.

Secondly, DVC doesn't make you book a full week. Therefore, check-out and check-in can be on any day. Just complicates the availability picture.

Thirdly, there is banking and borrowing so your number of available points is not static.

And there is also the issue of point transfers...both the kind where members own multiple contracts and those cases where they are getting points transferred from other members' contracts.

So I wouldn't be too hard on Disney. This would have to be a programming nightmare. I'm sure it can be done, but the cost of building that system would probably come out of our dues. If it does, I'd prefer they stick with the current toll free phone system!

In any event, I must have missed your other post so let me say

WELCOME HOME!!!
 
Granny,

Thanks for the post.

Please, don't get me wrong... I am not trying top be hard on Disney, I am just VERY surprized that they hadn't yet offered such a feature. The other points susyems that also have 2 BR lock-off that allow 1+ night books to have this availability.

They say it is coming and if they do it in trye Disney style, it should be "magical" when it is launched! Until then, I will be a patient and happy DVC owner.

Cheers,
 
MS has been saying "It's coming" for a couple of years I believe. I have a cousin who won a bid to update the WDW 'puter system a while back. He said at the time they got the contract the systems they had were "a shambles". I'll have to give him a call to see if they are still working on it, or gave up.
 

I was really surprised that when you book something they didn't let you know your point balance when sending you your confirmation.

I thought it would be easy to keep track of points but I have just done an add-on and am already getting confused. I did one night stay in SSR in June, a few days in DLPR coming up in November and an exchange in February and want to bank the rest for next year. I also got an extra 100 points with my add on and have really got myself confused!!!

I think I will phone up MS next week and just Bank everything that is left from this year so I wont end up losing any.



Susan
 
Granny said:
I would say that DVC is probably about the most complex reservation system that is imaginable.

First of all, a studio may be stand alone or often part of a 2BR set up. Same thing with a 1 BR accommodations. So "availability" is not an easy thing to check on.

Secondly, DVC doesn't make you book a full week. Therefore, check-out and check-in can be on any day. Just complicates the availability picture.

Thirdly, there is banking and borrowing so your number of available points is not static.

And there is also the issue of point transfers...both the kind where members own multiple contracts and those cases where they are getting points transferred from other members' contracts.

So I wouldn't be too hard on Disney. This would have to be a programming nightmare. I'm sure it can be done, but the cost of building that system would probably come out of our dues. If it does, I'd prefer they stick with the current toll free phone system!

In any event, I must have missed your other post so let me say

WELCOME HOME!!!
These are not unique. Many timeshares have 2-bedroom units that are lockouts. Instead of booking one 2-bedroom unit, you can use each unit separately as a 1-bedroom. In effect, instead of one week stay in a 2-bedroom unit, you can spend two weeks in a 1-bedroom unit. There are also other resorts that are points based (I have a resort, Vacation Village at Parkway that fits both these descriptions using RCI Points - it also has a June use year so it is not stuck with being on a calendar year either) and allow you to check in any day of the week for as short or as long as you like. With the point system, you can also bank (although automatic in this case with no restrictions to amount unlike DVC) and borrow (as long as next years maintenance fees are paid). I'm not sure but I think with RCI Points you can also transfer points. The system also gives priority to home week and unit at the 13th month, home resort at the 12th month, home group at the 11th month, and opens the resort to all at the 10th month. Having said all this, the resort doesn't provide the information but RCI keeps track of the points, reservations, etc. The point being is that DVC is not unique in having a flexible point system that makes the system difficult to program.
 
mark&sue said:
I was really surprised that when you book something they didn't let you know your point balance when sending you your confirmation.

I thought it would be easy to keep track of points but I have just done an add-on and am already getting confused. I did one night stay in SSR in June, a few days in DLPR coming up in November and an exchange in February and want to bank the rest for next year. I also got an extra 100 points with my add on and have really got myself confused!!!

I think I will phone up MS next week and just Bank everything that is left from this year so I wont end up losing any.

Susan

Try this program to manage your contracts:

http://hometown.aol.com/dmfredrick/Download.html
 
I attended the annual member meeting in 2000 and they said they were working on it.......so don't hold your breath. I think they don't want to put resources into it and don't want to increase dues to pay for it.
 
We were at the Annual meetings this past November, and they said that phase-1 should be up and running by this Christmas. (don't know if it's still on schedule)

Phase-1 will allow you to go on-line and check your own account status such as point balances, open reservations, etc.

It will not include a capability to check resort availability, or book reservations on-line. (I have no idea when those features might be available)
 
While other timeshares may also use point type systems, none of them are nearly as complex as DVC's.

Most others base everything on a calendar year, so everybody uses their 2005 points in calendar year 2005, etc. Other timeshares do not have the 'classifications' on points as DVC does.

With DVC everyone has different Use Years with different use year months. Points have a home-resort identification which gives them an 11/7 month booking window. Points may be classified as regular, banked, borrowed, holding, reservation, transferred. Each of these classifications places restrictions on the points themselves, affecting anything from type of resort (Reservation points cannot be used for a DVC-resort reservation), Banking or Borrowing (banked, borrowed, holding, reservation, transferred points may not be banked or borrowed), booking dates (not only the 11/7 month windows but also restrictions on Holding points)

Now throw in that there are 7-resorts, all with different point structures, and even with point structures that change dates according to Disney Seasons, and change between weekend and weekday points.

Other systems have point structures based on a 7-day week. For example in one system you can split it into two separate reservations of a 4-day stay, and a 3-day stay. But unlike DVC, you can't use just any days. The 4-day stay must be MonTueWedThu and the 3-day must be FriSatSun, or some other combination.

In another system you may be able to split a 2-B/R into a 1-B/R and a Studio, but each reservation must be the full 7-day week (Our Marriott is like that)

It's the full latitude of options you have with DVC that makes an on-line system very complex. In other systems they only have to check if week # 26 is available, for example. With DVC they have to see if specific days are available. With everybody checking in and checking out on different days of the week it can get very complex.

As mentioned in my prior post, checking your account status is the first step. I would imagine checking availability only, would be the next logical step. (This would at least eliminate some calls to MS), and the 3rd step would be to actually make reservations on line. (This is the biggie, and most complex step to incorporate).

On a typical day there are anywhere from about 80 to 120 MS agents handling the phone lines. So the amount of computer inquiries can be tremendous with banking, borrowing, reservations, checking availability at 5 different resorts, and maybe 2 different categories of room types. Now add something on-line where you might get several hundred people trying to check availability at the same time, and trying to keep everything in real time could be a big problem.

You might check for a reservation now, but in just 15 minutes from now, everything has changed.

Plus, the real question many of us ask of MS is not if a specific date is available for us, but more of just how open is that date currently. If there's only 2-more rooms available I want to book it right now, but if 80% of the rooms are still available, then I don't need to be in a hurry. Putting that kind of capability on line, in real time, adds more complexity.
 
I am sure DVC can put reservation system on the web. Is it easy? I don't think it is too hard since they have program logic placed (program that MS uses), so all they have to do is re-code it with web program. Is it cheap? I don't think so. New servers, new firewalls, new tech supports, more programmers, and so on.. It will cost them at least a few millions dollars to keep it running every year after spending millions dollars to put it on the web... Some may argue that DVC can cut MS to offset the cost, but next thing you know, we will all complain that we have to wait too long to talk to a MS..

I am sure the web reservation system will come online soon or later; however, in my opion, it won't be until DVC puts several more resorts and when cost is justifiable. With 7 resorts with under 100 thousand members, it just costs too much...
 
sagwanamu said:
I am sure DVC can put reservation system on the web. Is it easy? I don't think it is too hard since they have program logic placed (program that MS uses), so all they have to do is re-code it with web program. Is it cheap? I don't think so. New servers, new firewalls, new tech supports, more programmers, and so on.. It will cost them at least a few millions dollars to keep it running every year after spending millions dollars to put it on the web... Some may argue that DVC can cut MS to offset the cost, but next thing you know, we will all complain that we have to wait too long to talk to a MS..

I am sure the web reservation system will come online soon or later; however, in my opion, it won't be until DVC puts several more resorts and when cost is justifiable. With 7 resorts with under 100 thousand members, it just costs too much...

I may be wrong, but I belive that Disney's regular reservation system (not DVC) doesn't even interface with travel agency GDS systems (ie a travel agent calls to book a room just like we do). They do load inventory on websites but that's a seperate inventory.

Having been involved with hotel computer systems for many many years, I find this amazing that Disney has been left behind in this technology. In fact, I wonder if they gave Goofy the contract to build the reservation system years ago, and he hired Chip and Dale to help him out. I mean, they could at least have hired Gyro Gearloose and Helper, right?! :rotfl:
 
Ok, self serving post here, but you can use my Online DVC Point planner to check point cost and track your points. A few enhancements that will be coming shortly:

  • 2007 Points Charts addition
  • Email to Member Services checking availibility
  • Plan printing capability

Why I can do this on my own, and Member Services cannot is beyond me - and it didn't cost me millions of dollars and millions more in maintenance. The only thing I can't do is interface with Member Services at this time.
 
Caskbill
Phase-1 will allow you to go on-line and check your own account status such as point balances, open reservations, etc.
I AGREE WITH THIS ONLY

I'd prefer they stick with the current toll free phone system!

I agree with GRANNY ,I hope they leave it as is. I for one would like to talk :chat:to a CM about my ressie, not leave it to a computer to screw up. :confused3
I can just see it now if they start on-line ressies :badpc: :badpc: and someone puts in the wrong date on there own. Guess what, they blame DISNEY because Disney should have known what they wanted.

PLEASE DISNEY LEAVE IT ALONE
 
Disney computers, in general, i think are very old fashioned. When i worked for the disney store, i couldn't believe they were using an old CRT type monitor and a DOS system. Getting windows was a big upgrade they said! When i asked my manager, why do they use these old systems, she said, you should see the homebase computers, they are no better. I've seen some homemade points programs that seem like they'd be perfect for checking your own availability, using color-coded days, etc. There are some good ones out there! Jfulcer, i'm going to check yours out now! thanks!
 
paults said:
PLEASE DISNEY LEAVE IT ALONE

Let's play what if.

Currently they have 80-120 MS agents handling phones on a day (according to another poster). And let's assume that given a decent web-based online booking system that just 25% of members use it to book their vacations. That would mean you would not need all of those agents.

Unfortunately yes that means that some people may have to switch jobs, but let's just say 10 of them had to move. If that meant a reduction in how much your dues went up next year because of the smaller support staff, wouldn't that be worth it to you and the other 100,000 other members?

I dunno - it happens in tons of other industries, why not DVC?
 
It would definitely be worth it to me. Consider how much we do online now:

- airline bookings
- rental car bookings
- banking and bill payment
- hotel bookings (except for WDW!) :teeth:
- communication
- mating (well, I haven't reached that point yet....)
- shopping

It irks me to spend 45 minutes on the phone with WDW giving them ALL of my details when booking a cash room (name, address, phone, email, last visit) when I have stayed 100+ times. Sometimes I like to chat, but often I just want to call, check availability, and book.

Those wishing to call still have the option to do so with most industries.

And regarding 'mistakes' made online with booking - it happens. Airlines give a small amount of leeway, hotels do too. But we do ultimately have to take responsiblity and read before purchasing, and check any confirmation emailed to us.
 
Granny said:
So I wouldn't be too hard on Disney. This would have to be a programming nightmare. I'm sure it can be done, but the cost of building that system would probably come out of our dues. If it does, I'd prefer they stick with the current toll free phone system!

In any event, I must have missed your other post so let me say

WELCOME HOME!!!

I'm pretty sure the reason why this hasn't been done is not because of the difficulty. This is not a programming nightmare by any means. This is a pretty easy and straighforward process since the rules are clearly defined. Difficult systems to build are those where there are no clear rules as how things are done and each user do it their own way. But this, it only requires a good analyst to lay out the processes and good programmers to spill out the code. As for the costs, well it depends on how Disney finances its technology acquisitions (I don't have any info on that regard), but you can expect that the costs of operating Member Services will be reduced since it is likely that the number of calls MS receives from members just checking out if there is availability at a given date or making simple reservations will also decrease as the web site provides most of that information, therefore the annual dues will drecrease, not increase.
Maybe two years ago, the number of members were not so big that it didn't make business sense to make changes in the systems. But this year and looking forward (SSR Expansion and the addition of any other DVC Property), it seems that the number of members will only increase in time, creating the business case for technology updates.
I would bet the reason why this is not done yet is because of scheduling and prioritization of other projects within the available IT resources.
 
bavaria said:
It would definitely be worth it to me. Consider how much we do online now:

- airline bookings
- rental car bookings
- banking and bill payment
- hotel bookings (except for WDW!) :teeth:
- communication
- mating (well, I haven't reached that point yet....)
- shopping

It irks me to spend 45 minutes on the phone with WDW giving them ALL of my details when booking a cash room (name, address, phone, email, last visit) when I have stayed 100+ times. Sometimes I like to chat, but often I just want to call, check availability, and book.

Those wishing to call still have the option to do so with most industries.

And regarding 'mistakes' made online with booking - it happens. Airlines give a small amount of leeway, hotels do too. But we do ultimately have to take responsiblity and read before purchasing, and check any confirmation emailed to us.

I believe WDW has online hotel reservation, but not DVC. Remember that all of industries that you mentioned above have tens of millions of potential customers who can book a reservation or buy products at a given point of time. However, DVC has very finite, which I believe is under 100K, potential users who probably won't be using the system more than 2 - 3 times, on average, annually to book.
 





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