Dress Code for YS...Is there one?

[iwaseeyore]

Why don't you post a picture of the shirt you're thinking of?

Just for you.

The type of shirt I'm talking about

 

[iwaseeyore]

Here's another one

 

[bicker]

(the first one) Not bad, if you've got the body for it!

(the second one) Much better, and much more appropos.

 

[iwaseeyore]

Basically they are dress shirts and should not and have not been a problem in the past. If those types of shirts are not accpetable I think I may put all DVC points up for sale. They are much nicer then most of the collared Hawaiian shirts I have.

Can you tell I don' think a collar defines a shirt.

 

[bicker]

I know how you feel; when we go cruising, I choose to wear something like this:

 

[Ub_Iwerks]

Are shorts really business casual?? I think nice shorts are perfectly fine for any restaurant in the parks, but I don't consider shorts to fall into the "business casual" category. It looks like Disney is going to have to educate the masses on what business casual actually is. This is going to be very difficult to do for the signature restaurants in the parks. I can see the resorts enforcing the policy a little easier, but it's going to be harder in the parks. What happens when you spend the entire day at MGM or Epcot before your meal at a signature restaurant? Are you really supposed to spend all day in the park in August wearing your "business casual" clothes?

 

[iwaseeyore]

Yes, in Florida, at WDW shorts are considered business casual.

 

[brutus]

I just made ADR's at the YS and the CM said it is business casual. That is the only one I made the dress code.

I also made ADR's at Le Cellier, Teppanyaki, San Angel, Spoodles, 'Ohana, Boma, but nothing. Does anyone have a complete list?

 

[BCV23]

brutus, of your choices Yachtsman's is the only one with a dress code. Uncleromulus posted a link to the list of signature restaurants on post #12.

And yes, WDW business casual includes what they call business shorts. So business casual there is different than in much of the country but it varies from region to region anyway. This business casual is not new at WDW....what, maybe a year or year and half? And for quite a few years the same restaurants (minus BD) have been trying to get guests to dress up somewhat. I remember resort casual and smart casual. It apparently didn't work so now the description is business casual.

Mitch, I saw someone with plain black shirt like your second example at CG a few weeks back. I mean it does have a collar. Even golf courses, which can be picky, allow those type of collared shirts now don't they?

NMW, my take on BD is that there is no dress code. I specisically asked and was told no this week. Although the brochure lists it as a signature restaurant, and also lists a dress code for signature restaurants, that is not specific to BD. My guess is that BD is included in that list because it does use two credits in the Disney Dining Plan like all the other signature restaurants that are on the plan. So in the face of conflicting info, I think the specific word is more likely to be accurate.

My husband and DS2 wear golf shirts to the parks anyway so we are covered either way.

 

[Paco]

I call the restaurant themselves to make resevations, as I request specific waiters that we've gotten to know over the years. The only thing I was ever told over the years is no bathing suits, tank tops, flip flops, etc...lately they have been getting a lot of the above.

I know what bussiness casual is. This is Mickey Mouse were talking about, not a board meeting for G.E., and anyone working in the restaurants says the same thing. They think it's absolutely rediculous to expect anybody to come there dressed up after spending all day in the hot sun, with screaming kids.

Those shirts posted would absolutely not be allowed as I had on something similar. No collar.

Maybe they should make it more clear what a signature restaurant is. All the travel guides just say @ V&A need a jacket, but they will give you one.

Convention centers were added after the fact. I used to stay at the Beach Club since the year it opened. I felt out of place there, true 5 star, so I used to bring realy nice clothes. I even heard a woman in the pool once talking about the wristbands they were giving out to keep out "The Undesireables". Later they added the convention center, 4 1/2 stars, not because of the people but the overcrowding. Then they shut down Ariels to appease the owners of the Flying Fish they were building across at Boardwalk. Then comes BCV. No offence to VC members, I thought it was a great idea and thought OKW was beautiful. Took the tour many times and decided that I would rather stay in BC or other hotels instead of buying @ OKW. But I was actually asked why I wouldn't buy and told them that. I guess many people said the same, so they started adding to existing hotels. When I heard about BCV slated to be built, I was excited. Finally I could buy. Then I took the tour and realised that they were going to add 50% more rooms onto the Y&B without adding any restaurants or a store. They didn't have a food court type of place, only Beaches and Cream and Hurricane Hanna's, both excellent places,but already too small to handle the Y&B, nevermind 50% more rooms. Also they built the Solarium for the Cruise line and were going to be busing the cruise people through there. Now, unfortunately, the place is a zoo. They took the beautiful furniture out of the lobby to make room for the crowds. My neighbor raves about it, he bought tons of points, and I just tell him he should have seen it before. Cape May used to have Filet mignon tips, now it's roast beef, with lines across the lobby. All you see on eBay is weeks for sale.

Now I stay a lot at WL. they built the Villas onto it, but it doesn't seem to have much impact. Maybe because there's no convention center? I remember when it opened it was a "Moderate" hotel, to get people to come.

Anyway, now they tell me I'm ugly and my mother dresses me funny?????
Disney better decide who to cater to, corporations, or Families. By having me wear a different shirt isn't going to make up for the mess they created. But who am I kidding? Isn't that all that they are now? A giant corporation, with no Disney family member on its board?

Sorry for ranting, Only back a week. Maybe it's bad to constantly go to a place for 26 years and watch the changes. Changes, Good? Bad? Reminiscing? Ah!! The good old days!!!

 

[MrToad]

Paco: I am in total agreement with you. The reason they are catering to the businesses is $$$. There is a simple solution really...build more business casual restaurants at the convention centers and leave the families alone that have built the dang park in the first place!

I find it inexcusable and offensive that Disney would tell me that a nice shirt (collared or not) and pair of shorts isn't enough with the prices I am paying to stay on-site and eat in their restaurants through the years. Especially considering I have been in the hot sun all day long.

If they had done that to me I would have raised h*** right then and there in the lobby where everyone could hear it.

 

[BCV23]

Paco, I think all of us who have been going for a long time miss some things about the "good old days." But wouldn't you agree that there are many more good and great restaurants than way back then?

Anyway, it is truly a shame that the CM who made your reservations didn't tell you how WDW defines business casual. But business casual does vary wouldn't you agree? Surely it is different in NYC than LA.

We own at BCV and although I don't have the exact numbers, BCV was not a 50% addon to Y&BC. There are 200 plus units. Aren't Y&BC both in the 700-800 room range?

So many DVCers would have agreed with you about the shortage of quick dining options at Y&BC until about a year ago. But the store at the BC was rennovated with a nice quick serve selection of sandwiches, salads, soups, gelato and great bakery choices in the am along with egg dishes. I'm glad to see this rather than just more burger places. Did you stop in this trip?

As for the Solarium, I never heard it had anything to do with the cruise line? It was built at the same time as the BCV. It is almost always empty when I walk through there. Could you explain what you mean a bit more? I know it is completely off topic but I'm curious.

BTW, it will be 26 years this November since the first trip for DS1 and me too although my husband had visited earlier. What changes we've all seen for good and bad. But on balance, I would say for the good.

 

[Uncleromulus]

Here's what it says (exactly) in that Guide you find in the WDW resort room:

"The Signature Dining Dress code is business casual UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED) (my caps). Men may wear dress pants, jeans, trousers or dress shorts along with short or long sleeveed shirts (collar REQUIRED) (again-my caps). Women may wear jeans, skirts, dresses or dress shorts with a blouse or sweater"
That's it. No mention whatsoever of footwear. There immediately follows a list of "Resort" Signaure dining, and "Theme Park" Signature Dining restaurants.
The theme park list includes Bistro and Brown Derby. The only "UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED" is V&A--where it says a jacket is required for men. It dosen't specify that Brown Derby is exempt from the code (but of course, it seems to be).

So again-where does that leave us??

Disney has managed to make a real mess of the dress code issue-no doubt about it. They either have to admit it's just a "suggested" dress code--or admit it's required. And if it's required-enfoce it. Uniformly. And make sure folks are aware of it BEFORE they show up at a restaurant.

 

[bicker]

It all comes back to people taking personal accountability for their own behavior. Guests who make reservations in the normal way are informed of the dress code, and should therefore comply, without Disney having to do anything else. The mess, therefore, isn't of Disney's making, but rather of the making of those folks who do hear about the dress code, and then decide that they're too important to comply with it.

 

[Mandabella]

I've always been consistently informed about the dress code when making ADRs for signature places.

We were at CA Grill last weekend celebrating a wedding anniversary. DH wore a collared Mickey Hawaiian shirt (I think it's the pattern they sold in 2003...mainly dark blue) with coordinating shorts and leather sandals. Very comfortable, easy to pack, and within the dress code. I wore the matching Mickey Hawaiian dress with a small summer sweater and heeled strappy sandals. Again....very comfortable and easy to pack. After a day at Typhoon Lagoon, it was nice to get cleaned up, refreshed, and head out to nice dining experience without having to get really dressed up...kwim? FL's idea of business casual makes me laugh, but hey that's FL!

Now, I'd wish they'd institute a Behavior Code in these restaurants and enforce it...for both children and adults!!

 

[bicker]

Now, I'd wish they'd institute a Behavior Code in these restaurants and enforce it...for both children and adults!!

.....

 

[BCV23]

Now that you gave us the actual language, Uncle, I'm no longer so sure that Brown Derby is excluded from the business casual dress code. Since the exception for V&A was included, it would have been so easy to list BD as a different exception.


Arghhh!

 

[Uncleromulus]

It would have been--. And just as easy to put that dress code information (found in the phamplet) on the website. Why would you NOT want to do something as simple as that if you really want to have (and enforce) a dress code??
The part that interests me is "Collar REQUIRED". Dosen't just say "no T-shirts"---.

 

[MrToad]

It all comes back to people taking personal accountability for their own behavior. Guests who make reservations in the normal way are informed of the dress code, and should therefore comply, without Disney having to do anything else. The mess, therefore, isn't of Disney's making, but rather of the making of those folks who do hear about the dress code, and then decide that they're too important to comply with it.

I am sure there are some that do this. However, I disagree with a global statement that the "mess isn't of Disney's making" and that "guests who make reservations in the normal way are informed of the dress code". CM consistency with new policies does not always occur as we both know.

That said, my argument is not based on compliance, but rather on the entire silly ideal in the first place. If someone looks presentable they look presentable. I think disallowing tank-tops, swimsuits, etc. is far enough and seemed to work adequately in most cases. I disagree with Disney turning away or embarassing their own guests on principle. This isn't some souped up business casual restaurant in MA, IL, or NY. It is Walt Disney World and that means vacation.

 

[bicker]

It's Disney's property. They're the hosts. People who expect to be treated like guests should have enough consideration to treat their hosts like hosts and comply with the dress code.