Dream Feb 14-17 Disappointment

[monkeydawn]

Just curious but I've always noticed that people who claim to have asthma always proclaim their asthma when they encounter smokers, yet I've watched many of my kid's friends that have asthma blow out birthday candles year after year with the birthday candle smoke thick in the air upon their completion. Why does birthday candle smoke that's 12 inches away not effect the asthma sufferer but the cigarette smoker who's 12 yards away does? I've always wondered this.

Just a guess because I am not asthmatic but dont care for the smell of smoke. But my guess is that the smoke from the candles is over quickly compared to the smoke from a cigar (or cigarette). So maybe it isnt long enough to trigger most?

 

[DisBNewB]

Just curious but I've always noticed that people who claim to have asthma always proclaim their asthma when they encounter smokers, yet I've watched many of my kid's friends that have asthma blow out birthday candles year after year with the birthday candle smoke thick in the air upon their completion. Why does birthday candle smoke that's 12 inches away not effect the asthma sufferer but the cigarette smoker who's 12 yards away does? I've always wondered this.

I have no stake in any of this, but as somebody who has asthma (diagnosed, you're welcome to talk to my doctor and see all my breathing tests), cigarette smoke and cigar smoke is VERY different from candle smoke. In what it's made of, how thick it is, how much of it is created, and how far it can travel. Also, people with asthma have different triggers, some may not be triggered by cigarette or cigar smoke, but most are. Maybe some are triggered by smoke created by candles, but luckily I never have. (scents are more of an issue for me - perfume, cologne, scented bath products, incense, etc.)

But honestly, next time you light some birthday candles and they're wafting clouds of smoke in your face, I'd love it if you could take a picture, because I've never seen anything like that in my life.

 

[Adventurelawyer]

Just a guess because I am not asthmatic but dont care for the smell of smoke. But my guess is that the smoke from the candles is over quickly compared to the smoke from a cigar (or cigarette). So maybe it isnt long enough to trigger most?

And no arsenic, etc. Just a guess though.

 

[lklgoodman]

Let me start off with saying that if being outdoors where people may smoke created a "disappointment" for you, then you are in for a lifetime of being disappointed.



Because DCL doesn't own the beach or the island. It's leased from the Government of The Bahamas, so I would assume The Bahamas version of federal laws apply regarding beach access to smokers and drinkers. Not every country is ate up with anti-smoking like the U.S. and E.U. are.



Really, the cigar smoke enveloped the entire outdoor beach of CC?

You did the right thing, if you're outside and smoke bothers you, you're free to move away from the smoke. Just like someone who's allergic to plastic, moves way from the plastic or someone that can't swim, moves away from the water or someone who has peanut allergies, moves away from the PBJ sandwich, etc, etc. If we ban everything that someone is bothered by or has a physical reaction to, then we would have to ban everything.

Just curious but I've always noticed that people who claim to have asthma always proclaim their asthma when they encounter smokers, yet I've watched many of my kid's friends that have asthma blow out birthday candles year after year with the birthday candle smoke thick in the air upon their completion. Why does birthday candle smoke that's 12 inches away not effect the asthma sufferer but the cigarette smoker who's 12 yards away does? I've always wondered this.

Having a peanut allergy isn't something that just "bothers" the person who has it. It can kill the person if severe enough. I am thankful no one in my family has a severe allergy like that. I personally think some things should be banned in public places if they could cause death to someone. I was shocked the first time I flew Southwest and they handed out peanuts. My dd loves peanut butter, but I never take anything that contains any types of nuts when we go somewhere because I don't want to be responsible for causing harm to someone who could have a severe reaction. I do understand what you mean about how we can't ban everything. Being a kid in the 70s was so much easier! There's things now we worry about that no one knew about back then.

 

[Magical_Suitcase]

Let me start off with saying that if being outdoors where people may smoke created a "disappointment" for you, then you are in for a lifetime of being disappointed.



Because DCL doesn't own the beach or the island. It's leased from the Government of The Bahamas, so I would assume The Bahamas version of federal laws apply regarding beach access to smokers and drinkers. Not every country is ate up with anti-smoking like the U.S. and E.U. are.



Really, the cigar smoke enveloped the entire outdoor beach of CC?

You did the right thing, if you're outside and smoke bothers you, you're free to move away from the smoke. Just like someone who's allergic to plastic, moves way from the plastic or someone that can't swim, moves away from the water or someone who has peanut allergies, moves away from the PBJ sandwich, etc, etc. If we ban everything that someone is bothered by or has a physical reaction to, then we would have to ban everything.

Just curious but I've always noticed that people who claim to have asthma always proclaim their asthma when they encounter smokers, yet I've watched many of my kid's friends that have asthma blow out birthday candles year after year with the birthday candle smoke thick in the air upon their completion. Why does birthday candle smoke that's 12 inches away not effect the asthma sufferer but the cigarette smoker who's 12 yards away does? I've always wondered this.

Hello, I can answer this one. It is not the "smoke" that is the trigger for an asthma attack but the chemicals in the smoke; it is the chemicals in the nicotine smoke that trigger the attack (not smoke in general). For folks with asthma, there are different triggers. For my sister, it is mold. For me, the triggers are the chemicals found in nicotine and some colognes (not all colognes). I can smell flowers and trees all day long (except for Autumn Olive) and for the most part, no problem, but one sniff of someone walking by with residual cigarette smoke on their clothing or certain colognes and I will be gasping for breath to the point of up-chucking.

 

[DietCokeMommy]

I have no stake in any of this, but as somebody who has asthma (diagnosed, you're welcome to talk to my doctor and see all my breathing tests), cigarette smoke and cigar smoke is VERY different from candle smoke. In what it's made of, how thick it is, how much of it is created, and how far it can travel. Also, people with asthma have different triggers, some may not be triggered by cigarette or cigar smoke, but most are. Maybe some are triggered by smoke created by candles, but luckily I never have. (scents are more of an issue for me - perfume, cologne, scented bath products, incense, etc.)

But honestly, next time you light some birthday candles and they're wafting clouds of smoke in your face, I'd love it if you could take a picture, because I've never seen anything like that in my life.

I have asthma also, though it's very well controlled in most conditions. But one of the things that really bothers me is smoke. Like the above poster said, candles give off very little smoke. Watch a candle burn vs. a cigarette. And I don't really discriminate which type of smoke bothers me - I have to be very careful of wood smoke too. For example, being near a firepit with the wind going the wrong way really irritates my airways.

 

[BadPinkTink]

Just curious but I've always noticed that people who claim to have asthma always proclaim their asthma when they encounter smokers, yet I've watched many of my kid's friends that have asthma blow out birthday candles year after year with the birthday candle smoke thick in the air upon their completion. Why does birthday candle smoke that's 12 inches away not effect the asthma sufferer but the cigarette smoker who's 12 yards away does? I've always wondered this.

Please educate yourself about asthma. There is not just one cause or trigger.

I have diagnosed seasonal asthma, and have a prescription for an inhaler. My airways constrict and go into spasm and I start wheezing as the tubes narrow and air is drawn through. My triggers are grass and tree pollen. My asthma is triggered only when the grass and tree pollen reaches a high level in the air during an 8 week period in the summer and only in UK and Ireland. My asthma is related to the the type and variation of grass and trees which grow in UK and Ireland. My asthma is NOT triggered when I am in California.

Your post is highly judgmental of a condition you clearly know nothing about. I am a diagnosed seasonal asthmatic but candle smoke does not trigger my asthma!

 

[smmco]

It was a three-night cruise. I'm sure some people could only get Palo on that night and still wanted to participate in pirate night. If DCL didn't allow pirates in Palo on a three-night cruise the place would be empty.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

It was a three-night cruise. I'm sure some people could only get Palo on that night and still wanted to participate in pirate night. If DCL didn't allow pirates in Palo on a three-night cruise the place would be empty.

I doubt it.

 

[smmco]

I doubt it.

Ok, do tell what do you doubt and why? You seem to know everything.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Ok, do tell what do you doubt and why? You seem to know everything.

I doubt that Palo would be empty if they didn't allow Pirate gear to be worn in there. Palo tends to be fully booked every time we've been there.

Personally, I've seen people turned away wearing pirate attire at Palo at dinner.

 

[Mainsail Minnie]

You did the right thing, if you're outside and smoke bothers you, you're free to move away from the smoke. Just like someone who's allergic to plastic, moves way from the plastic or someone that can't swim, moves away from the water or someone who has peanut allergies, moves away from the PBJ sandwich, etc, etc. If we ban everything that someone is bothered by or has a physical reaction to, then we would have to ban everything.

Cigarette and cigar smoke is harmful to everyone, every single person, who inhales it. Not just a select few. So your argument comparing it to an obscure allergy doesn't hold water.

Non-smoking is harmful to no one. Therefore, it should not be the responsibility of the non-smoker to have to try to find a place to be where smokers aren't polluting the air. Rather, there should be a designated area for those who smoke, which is easy for non-smokers to avoid.

 

[MomOTwins]

I doubt that Palo would be empty if they didn't allow Pirate gear to be worn in there. Palo tends to be fully booked every time we've been there.

Personally, I've seen people turned away wearing pirate attire at Palo at dinner.

May it it depends on whether the pirate attire meets the dress code. For example, a pirate costume with shorts and a t shirt does not meet the code, but with long pants and a collared shirt it would. And most women’s pirate costumes are dresser or skirts and blouses, both allowed.

 

[DCL Repeaters]

I doubt it.

PrincessShmoo you are 100% correct. Palo was very busy and all parties except for the very few pirate/shorts costumes had followed the Palo dress code.

 

[katmigordon]

On the other hand, on Pirate night you should expect to see folks dressed up in pirate gear everywhere on the ship, so if you don't want to see pirate gear in Palo maybe go another night? I've been to fine dining spaces on land on Halloween, places that normally have strictly enforced dress codes. but allowances get made for Halloween costumes - same theory.

That said, the person in T-shirt, flip flops and shorts? Not so much - that shouldn't have been allowed.

I totally agree with the poster

There are dress rules in palo as this is a speciality restaurant.

If you dont want to dress up (their own choice) then there is the main dining room and cabanas.

Quite a few people go to palo on pirate night for that reason.

 

[GoingSince1990]

Nothing ruins a pleasant day outdoors like the disgusting smell of cigar smoke. That’s a good reason for me never to take a Disney cruise until that policy is changed.

 

[smmco]

I doubt that Palo would be empty if they didn't allow Pirate gear to be worn in there. Palo tends to be fully booked every time we've been there.

Personally, I've seen people turned away wearing pirate attire at Palo at dinner.

I've been in an empty Palo many times. I've never been on a three-day cruise, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[disneylove69]

I totally agree with the poster

There are dress rules in palo as this is a speciality restaurant.

If you dont want to dress up (their own choice) then there is the main dining room and cabanas.

Quite a few people go to palo on pirate night for that reason.

Jean's are now allowed at Palo for dinner. It's in the written guidelines and that's what I wore.

 

[Capitalangel]

It’s interesting that smoking is allowed anywhere on the island because last week on the Fantasy a man was asking if he had to smoke only at the bucket ( ash tray) and was told by the crew member that it was the designated smoking area for that part of the Family Beach ( near Cookies Two). That was also the only place I saw a person smoking.

 

[vetrik]

I was on the same cruise (our first) and had a wonderful experience fortunately. It sounds like cigar smoke was an issue on that cruise - in my FB group someone had a problem with cigar smoke on their balcony for the whole cruise despite bringing it up multiple times with crew members.