Don't Hate Me for Knowing More

[teach22180]

I think you are right and I also think they are annoyed that perhaps that information wasn't communicated well by signs or CMs. When I run into a situation like that (where I know that there is a shorter option) I also go to the last person in line and say "Did you know you can go up both sides?" If they didn't and choose to go then I follow them. If they decide to stay put then I go anyways but at least I have given one group who was there before me a chance to go first. Then the previous group gets yelled at and not me

This is what I do, too. I usually ask someone in the current line if they want to go to the other turnstyle or register or whatever first. If they say no, at least I've tried.

I know this isn't Disney-related but I had to comment. While I have no doubt that your gesture is well-intentioned and I think it's terribly rude that someone would give you a not-so-well-intentioned gesture in return, I never go when someone waves me on when driving. It's happened too many times that I've seen someone literally hold up the flow of traffic in order to let someone go. Also, the few times I have gone forward when motioned (like at a four-way stop when the other person had the right of way), usually the person doing the motioning changes their mind and starts going just as I do. (There are a few exceptions to this. I will let someone go and I will go myself if there is a long line of stationary traffic stopped at a light and I'm/they're trying to get out of a parking lot.)

Just thought I'd give you some insight on why others might not respond to your nice gesture.

I walk often on our local bike path and go across a medium size road. I'm always amazed at the people who will STOP their car in the MIDDLE of a road to let me go, and I usually wave for them to go on. I walk slowly, and I wouldn't want to be morally (if not legally) responsible for them being hit by another car who didn't know they would stop in the middle of the road like that. I know they mean well, but I am not expecting that! Just wanted to say that I agree with the Smiths on this!

 

[savvy?71]

I think it's that they still have no idea what it means or how it works, OR they think that because you have FPs and you got them before you got in line, that they can't get them now. That they were "too late" or something. A better option for explaining might be to point to the panel on their guidemap that talks about FPs and then they can find out about it on their own (during their 120 min wait).

People tend to be reluctant to try something new if they don't fully understand the concept, and so you telling them right there that they could use this new-fangled tool when they're already on their way to someplace (even if it is a 120 min line) might be a disconnect they're not comfortable with. Especially if they're used to the "pay for access" plans at other theme parks.

I don't think people who don't use FP are stupid or anything. They're just overwhelmed by all this Disney stuff, and it can take a while to process yet another new piece of information.

Fwiw, I agree with your reply; it seems my sense of humor isn't translating today. Very literal readings! I was carrying over a joke from all the 'complaining' posts I have read recently. Prior to that was just a joke about Boston drivers--not intended as a road rule logistics discussion Anyway...

I especially relate to that uneasy feeling of not being familiar with a concept (therefore passing it by). Since Disney can be so overstimulating for newer visitors, people flashing FPs at them can be too much.

So I can see how just doing it old school (waiting in the line you are comfortable in, instead of trying out these snazzy FP doohickies) might feel safer.

Kind of like driving the long way, even if there is traffic, construction, and the crossing of farm animals--instead of trying the short cut someone told you about.

 

[dolphindan1]

I think it's that they still have no idea what it means or how it works, OR they think that because you have FPs and you got them before you got in line, that they can't get them now. That they were "too late" or something. A better option for explaining might be to point to the panel on their guidemap that talks about FPs and then they can find out about it on their own (during their 120 min wait).

People tend to be reluctant to try something new if they don't fully understand the concept, and so you telling them right there that they could use this new-fangled tool when they're already on their way to someplace (even if it is a 120 min line) might be a disconnect they're not comfortable with. Especially if they're used to the "pay for access" plans at other theme parks.

I don't think people who don't use FP are stupid or anything. They're just overwhelmed by all this Disney stuff, and it can take a while to process yet another new piece of information.

I agree I dont think alot of people know how it works or understands it....I also think people not staying on Disney thinks its for on site guest....I have heard that a couple time...."I wish we stayed onsite so we coukd use FP"....I tried to help a couple out 2 weeks ago about that....they were so excited, they were like kids in a candy store...LOL

 

[exwdwcm]

we've experienced it too- in fact, we were FPing BTMRR and these teens in the standby line were sitting on the rails and leaning over into the FP line to purposely block us. it was really annoying and they weren't moving, i finally just walked by and sort of pushed them out of the way after they wouldn't move when I asked. they were obviously unhappy their line wasn't moving.

but i just smile, wave and continue on.

 

[~Kik-Kik~]

I hate how people with children think they are ENTITLED to a seat on the monirail after they see it is full, see that everyone is packed in and there are no more seats, BUT they decide to get in and stare at you the whole time.

Or you make extra room for squeesing even cloer together to make room for someone with a baby and they dont say thank you or even look at you! I honestly wish I didnt make room for that woman seeing thashe was so rude.

I tend not to notice people's rudeness when I'm in the parks, though I'm sure I get looks and snickers for the fastpass's and I fill in the line are the approiate attractions. Some people are just nasty and cant let thingsgo even when they are on vacation. I know this because I have people in my life like that. It's a sad way to live because you bacisly live in fear and snap at everything that bursts your bubble. I know for a fact that if someone told me that they deserved the seat more than me I would have caused a sceen. It probley would hav gone like this, "I am on vacation too, I got in line before you, and I waited longer than you! YOU are the one who saw it was full but got in anyway and now you have to deal with that. If you wanted a seat you should have waited like I did." I can not stand people who have the gull to cll you out on something like that.

The way that the OP reacted was perfect, lol!

 

[cjb71870]

I love to share my knowledge with others. If I hear someone around us questioning something, I'll give them the info they need. The FP thing , I've been saying it for years, I can't feel bad because it's free for everyone. If they look at they guide it says it right there!!! I can' help everyone, even though I'd like too. When we do give our FP away, or like at Halloween Horror Nights we give our remaining express passes away, I always have my husband do it. We look for the right people too.

 

[dolphindan1]

Lastly, have you noticed how AWFUL the disney sites are? Clunky, weighted down with pretty stuff that is useless, and they don't have much solid info? That's the best disney can put out for their websites. Do we REALLY think they know how to make their internal systems any better?????

I have thought that for years...its just a pain to load the Disney website and its even more painful trying to get info out of it....just make a simple basic site so we can get info....we will come to the park for all the extra fluff....Try loading even the low bandwidth version with dialup....forget about it

 

[ChocoKat]

Heh... this made me remember a trip a while back. DH and I were there the very first day the Dream Team started handing out prizes. We got very lucky and ended up getting a Dream FastPass at AK.

For the first 2 rides you'd think we had killed someone's puppy by the looks we were getting, a lot of "Oh it must be nice to be able to afford "special passes"", and the kicker was some dude running over to us asking "Where did you buy those?" we told him with big smiles (we were happy!) "Oh you can't, they are given away randomly during the day, if you get lucky you might get one for free too!" he looked at us annoyed and said "FINE! If you won't tell me I'll find out myself!" and walked away mumbling something.

DH is a chatter and he makes friends with every CM that has the time to stop and strike up a conversation, if I left him alone he would probably chat the ear off half of MK by lunch time. People get annoyed at him because CM's like him and just wave at him if we see them again on the trip or if they have a nice piece of advice for us. All they need to do is treat CM's like normal people, be nice, enjoy the place and things go very very well.

I do love giving away fast passes when it works out though, last fall we were there with a large group of friends (all adults), we had been at MK for a while, we were getting hungry so we decided to hop over to Epcot for dinner even though we had about 8 fastpasses for Space Mountain. We spotted a group of teens coming into the park and we offered them the FP's. One of the kids literally did a cartwheel he was so happy, the others just jumped up and down and hollered "YOU GUYS ARE THE MOST AWESOME PEOPLE EVER!!!!"

Still, it never ceases to amaze me when people flip out if you offer them FP's. No ma'am I am not trying to exchange my FP for your first born child... do you know how expensive children are?!

 

[DisneyGirlie]

The only example I can think of relating to someone being rude to me is because I was simply doing what cast members expected and I guess not necessarily because I knew more. Anyway, at the Candlelight Processional this year the cast members were filing the line of people in into certain rows and of course you were expected to move all the way down. I selected a row that had about 3 separate benches due to about two trees separating them. I was just about to sit down on one of the benches which, since it was split, could hold about 5 or 6 people i'd guess. All of a sudden some girl comes basically crawling over the back rows of benches to get to this row, completely ignoring the flow of the people coming in and says to me, "I was actually trying to save this whole row." I take my seat anyway because I was technically there first and I filed in the way cast members were directing. I didn't know who she thought she was anyway. I can see someone saving a space in the line but actually saving seats (and that many) once you get in is kind of ridiculous. So when my mother and I didn't move, the girl said "Not that you'd care." I'm usually a really nice person so I didn't say anything directly to her but under my breath said "We sure don't." and in a way, I kind of hope she heard.

 

[Matt71]

Last year DD got sick and couldn't go to La Nouba with us.
Disney wouldn't refund our money. We didn't think we'd be coming back any time soon, so we didn't see the point in trading it for a ticket for another show, so we figured we'd just give it away.

People were looking at us like we had extra limbs growing out of our heads. We even tried giving the ticket back to the theater hoping that they could just give it to the next person that tried to buy one. They wouldn't take it.

Was sad to see that seat go to waste, because it was an amazing show.

 

[WDSearcher]

Fwiw, I agree with your reply; it seems my sense of humor isn't translating today. Very literal readings! I was carrying over a joke from all the 'complaining' posts I have read recently. Prior to that was just a joke about Boston drivers--not intended as a road rule logistics discussion Anyway...

I especially relate to that uneasy feeling of not being familiar with a concept (therefore passing it by). Since Disney can be so overstimulating for newer visitors, people flashing FPs at them can be too much.

So I can see how just doing it old school (waiting in the line you are comfortable in, instead of trying out these snazzy FP doohickies) might feel safer.

Kind of like driving the long way, even if there is traffic, construction, and the crossing of farm animals--instead of trying the short cut someone told you about.

Chances are, though, that by the end of their trip, that couple had figured it out and was happily pulling FP's for favorite rides. Your info and assistance got to them, it just had to "filter through!"

 

[savvy?71]

Chances are, though, that by the end of their trip, that couple had figured it out and was happily pulling FP's for favorite rides. Your info and assistance got to them, it just had to "filter through!"

I totally agree.

I went to WDW a good handful of times as a child ('70's) then didn't return until '99 (I didn't even know about character meals, schedules, any tricks at all then, just took my siblings and blindly went along--despite or in spite of all that, it was a great trip!)

THEN didn't return (with my own 2 toddlers) until this year (twice this year ). That first trip back in April was a 'regrouping' experience. I knew about FP and other helpful advice, tips, etc...but I wanted to feel things out myself.

And really, we weren't doing many of the popular FP rides with a barely 3 and barely 4 yr old, so it wasn't in the forefront of my mind.

I think 'filter through' is an accurate phrase for what many people do until they are used to or comfortable with Disney (or anything/any place)

Being a frequent Vegas visitor, we feel like pros now, but initially it was a whirlwind of a place. Lots of people telling us ahead of time where to go, what to see, tips and tricks, as well as people telling us while we were there. But we wanted to get our own grounding.

So believe me, I relate

 

[jlindemer]

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[PixieDust32]

On Christmas Day the MK monorail was packed, I mean the line was huge almost to the gate of the ticket center, same thing with the ferry, therefore we chose the resort monorail, it was maybe 10 people there, we knew about the stops of course at the poly and GF but it was faster than waiting in that huge line for the express.
CM asked us if we were going to the MK we said yes and some folks from the other line were yelling things like line cutters and cheaters and that that monorail wasn't going to the MK only to resorts, I kept walking.

 

[PixieDust32]

Oops double post.

 

[PixieDust32]

Ahh, also same deal at night, when the express monorail is crowded we go to the resort monorail.

 

[BirdsOfPreyDave]

I get yelled at on occasion by people in the restaurants. Some people do not realize that you go to both sides of the register, so the one day at the Electric Umbrella, Cosmic Rays and Pinocchio Village Haus. There were long lines only on one side and nobody in line on the other so I got in line on the empty side so I was next to be waited on at each restaurant. Well that made a whole lot of people not very happy with me! Knowledge is key!

I usually do this, too. I was surprised the other day at the Electric Umbrella when the cashier took three orders from the other line before taking mine. (I'd walked up to an empty side.) I guess he'd been-there-done-that and didn't want to deal with the drama. Usually, they'll take you next to keep both sides of the counter even.

 

[kaytieeldr]

DH finally told him to respect the women and kids and shut his nasty mouth and his reply was, "I guess regular people who talk normal don't fit in around here, either. I don't got as much money as you, so I got to keep my mouth shut, huh?" He didn't even know where we were staying.

Or how much money you don't or do have. But I don't get it - it appears even self-proclaimed "poor" people with tacky vocabularies can afford to go to the Disney parks... and eat at the Disney restaurants....

My niece used to call the Swan and the Dolphin, the "Fish" and the "Duck," 'cause that's what the figurines on top looked like to her. So the next year we're going by on the bus, and I said, "Oh there's the Fish and the Duck, " as an inside joke to our family. A nearby woman felt compelled to correct me.

And you would both be half-right and half-wrong (except that she would be more wrong than you, given that there was no "need" to correct you in public). It is a dolphinFISH, not a dolphin.

I politely thanked her though I've known this for a long time

See? THAT'S the proper response in a case like this! Not, "I knew that", which makes the other person feel bad. You actually probably made her feel good, as if she helped you!

I do enjoy the "fill in all the available space" rides.....like the carousel, teacups, rides with preshows, the 3D shows, etc....that you actually HELP the CM who is loading it by not forming a line in the HUGE space they give you......you get to get on the ride with more ease, waste less time, and skip a whole buncha people!

But be careful NOT to do it at Dumbo...

Ah, but now I am coming to the heart of the matter, this poor training must be costing Disney money (though not as much as when they had an 800 number...

Disney never had an 800 number intended for use by the general public. They've closed down most of the ones they did have because numbers were being shared on the Internet and used by unauthorized persons (read: us).

 

[kaytieeldr]

Normally, when somebody waves me to go first, they're doing so because they think they're being "nice." However, in those situations I haven't gone first for one reason and one reason only: I do not have the right of way. They do.

It's not being "nice" to wave somebody else at an intersection through if they don't have the right of way. What they're actually doing, though I'm sure they don't think of it this way, is encouraging me to break traffic laws by going when I don't have the right of way.

I will not go in those situations. If everybody would simply follow the traffic laws then everything would work out fine.

You came to a stop at a four-way stop before I did? You have the right of way. Go. You are not doing me a favor by waving me through first. If an accident were to happen, I would be responsible for having gone when I didn't have the right of way.

We both came to a stop at a four-way stop at the same time, but you're to the right of me? You have the right of way. Go. You are not doing me a favor by waving me through first. If an accident were to happen, I would be responsible for having gone when I didn't have the right of way.

Thanks for bringing that up, Mr/Mrs Smith. It's a pet peeve of mine.

David

I understand all that, and I don't disagree with you (on the other hand, I'm not critiquing the DISer who does it, either). What I get a kick out of, however, is when I feel I have to direct traffic in such a situation. I KNOW the law. Now, granted, there's the perceived, "I got here 3/10 of a second before you"; and then there's the "well, if you're facing each other, who's on the right?" issue. But many times I find myself at such intersections where everyone is stopped, and I'll be pointing at various drivers until it's legitimately my turn to go; after that, I don't care what happens.

I just wish everyone knew - and obeyed that danged law, along with the "every vehicle must come to a complete stop at a stop sign" and "right on red AFTER stop" ones

Another waving 'argument' I find interesting is with pedestrians. They have the right of way and all, ya know (even the jaywalkers, but this doesn't apply to them). Many times, approaching or leaving work, I will stop at a crosswalk only to be waved on by someone attempting to cross the street legally. Thanks, but no thanks - especially with the police station around the corner

 

[Disnsyncey]

But be careful NOT to do it at Dumbo...

really? I mean, they like people to stand in line in the bin of folk? I mean, its the same bin like Aladdin, right?

I mean, there's never any reason for me to ride dumbo, I mean, the last time I did it was about 6 years ago when my friends and I were on Jungle Cruise with about 5 min till the fireworks and decided to beeline to Dumbo to get the ultimate Disney commercial moment and we hopped on Dumbo while the fireworks were going off