Dog rescue group vent! How was your experience?

I understand as a rescuer you have many things to consider and a good home is important. The thing that is frustrating is the assumption that I'm not a "good" pet owner b/c I don't have a fence..or our dog spends 4 hours home alone. (I'm not referring to you PhillyBeth). For instance here is a posting from petfinders from rescue group in my area for a pure breed poodle puppy.

This little dog will be placed with a family in our local Main Line community who already has a fully fenced yard and excellent vet references. No out of state or out of our area adoption.

Now this type of post is on each and every one of their more adoptable dogs, purebred puppies and younger dogs...now the same rescue group has a great postive post in regards to an older/mixed breed dog..."great dog...application being taken." yada..yada...no restrictions on those dogs.

Seems a bit off putting to me. Plus I knew someone who worked for them and I remember at one point trying to work with them and they decided to place a dog in the Main Line area (a very affulent Phila suburb) to another neighbor that was a very upper middle class area b/c those folks could "afford" to take care of it. That was it for me!


I also find that breeders handle many rescues too and they don't seem to have the same strick requirements....that puzzlers me. And I'm talking reputable, show winning breeders...not puppy mill breeders
 
We have had 2 experiences w/rescue groups and found that neither group followed up at all.

When we adopted our puppy, the rescue lady went to great lengths to tell us how she'd be calling to follow up (maybe even stop by) and that we'd have to send her copies of his neuter paperwork within a certain amount of time or she'd be calling.

Well, she never once called, and I lost her address and never mailed the paperwork. This was 3 years ago and we've not heard a peep.

When we adopted our kitten, our contract specified that we had to contact them within 2 weeks to make a "progress report". I did so, leaving a lengthy, detailed message on their answering machine; informing them that her name had been changed and that she'd been through extensive (and expensive) treatment for kennel cough. I never had a reply, then a month later I got a call asking about the kitten by her original name. I informed them that I had left all the info required a month earlier and she was stunned that "no one gave her the message'. :confused:

Long story short, my experience has been that a lot of rules are presented but there has been no follow-through on the part of the rescue folks.
 
Well, not all rescue groups are equal. Let me qualify- some will work with surrendering owners to help place a dog, basically do what we call a courtesy listing. So all the requirements, etc are coming from the person who owns the dog and wants to get rid of it, not necessarily the rescue group.
Some rescues don't place out of area, usually 50 miles, or out of the county they are in. Some rescue groups have been burned so badly that they set the bar almost too high for anyone to reach- this is especially true with smaller all-breed rescues, maybe 2 or 3 people or even one person working out of their home. Some groups go too far.
Breeders are a different game altogether, the dogs they are usually placing are retired show dogs or breeding dogs, or a dog that was returned to them by contract. Most breeders also don't want to put their dogs at risk by bringing in a dog with behavioral problems or one that came from a shelter and could be carrying disease.

We walk a fine line trying to balance between the needs of the dog and the needs of the adoptors.
 
Originally posted by DiznEeyore
Long story short, my experience has been that a lot of rules are presented but there has been no follow-through on the part of the rescue folks.

A lot of the rules are there to protect the rescue group, sad to say.
 

If you have the time and care to learn why we screen the way we do, just read the following:

In rescue we learn to be non-judgmental, but we also learn that we can only make a difference by continuing to educate. This is an actual letter sent by our rescuer six months after the dogs were surrendered to Alabama Pug Rescue and Adoption, Inc. Unfortunately, this is not an isolated case, but rather a trend we in rescue see more and more.

So you did not think you would hear back from me? I am surprised that you wrote, and my first instinct was to ignore you. However, all wounds were reopened, and I actually began to cry, and then the anger returned. I would not be able to live with myself if I did not reply.

Pugsley and Skinny - as you called them. I have a rule of thumb that if a dog comes from a bad situation I immediately rename them. If they were loved, and cared for, their names will be with them forever. I changed their names when I drove away.

I think there are several things you need to know before I tell you about their conditions. First of all, everyone who saw them, asked who you were, and where you were, and how could this have happened. I protected you. I don't know why, but I did. I felt when I talked to you the second time, and "begged" you to stop what you were doing, or at the very least, to become partially educated in the needs of the breed you were producing and selling, that I may have gotten through to you. I have had to hold on to that thought, and continue to pray for the dogs left in your care. I also had to practice what I preach, and think only about the dog, and I am sure there are many more in your back yard that need medical care. I have to remember I rescue, and it's the dog that comes to me that I put first.

You have to understand about what this means to me. I don't go out to eat at night, or take vacations, I live for these dogs that come into my care. Their needs come above everything and I am fortunate to have many people who support me and believe in me. I make a promise to the dogs that I always keep.... If they trust me with their life, I will see to it that they never suffer again. You see, when I rescue, even when the dog is placed in a forever home, part of my heart stays with them. I take what I do very seriously and I rescue for the life of the dog.

Both of these dogs received heavy veterinary consultation and care. I worked with them day and night to rid them of the fear they had, and show them what gentleness was, and what being clean, and inside, and cool was all about. Both of them were terrified to be picked up, but you had to know that.

The blindness they suffered was a congenital condition. This means that they were born with it, and they inherited it, and any dog that was bred by them, or was related to them has the same tendencies. They are dogs that should not have been bred, as the gene is continually passed down. Skinny's one eye had a fallen cataract. It must have been extremely painful for him before it finally collapsed.

Both of the dogs were immediately neutered and I begin to work to properly socialize them, and teach them about trust. Skinny responded immediately, and began to show signs of the breed that he was. His continual circling eventually slowed down (years of living in a pen) and he even started to be able to learn what going outside meant. He stopped sleeping in his own waste, and actually began to eat out of a bowl.

Pugsley was not as lucky. His blindness, again, was a result of bad breeding, and his eye that was lost, was unfortunate. He also suffered severe neurological damage. I don't know if you noticed, but when I took him out of the car at the vet I noticed that his remaining blind eye, darted nonstop in circles and side to side. This is when he thrashed and moved from side to side. We took him to a specialist after several weeks of observation, and she confirmed that he had a serious neurological deficit (brain damage), again there from birth, and after trying several weeks to see if we could make any progress with him, it was confirmed that he was in a total state of confusion continuously causing him irreversible suffering, and two different veterinary consultations resulted in the recommendation to euthanize him. In other words, his suffering had to end. I held him during all of this. Imagine that. Imagine holding a little one whose head slammed my chest back and forth wanting to understand why, and where, and how all of this happened. He leaned against me, and I held him, when for the first time in his life, he felt peace. I kissed him and told him to "sleep sweet, and to return to God." Few people ever get to know what an angel feels like. I did, when his little body finally relaxed and he became whole again.

Skinny was adopted by a wonderful family in another state who spend their every day making sure he has what he needs. He is a totally indoor pet, as this breed must be, is almost totally housebroken, and he has gained almost 7 pounds. His story has a happy ending. He and I used to spend the early morning time listening to the birds. It was a time I treasured as he began to trust and love.

So, I answered you. I didn't even think I would, but I did. If you are still breeding, and taking these dogs to flea markets, and leaving them out year round, I am going to once again, beg you to stop. If you have those that need medical care, please do not let them suffer. These dogs were suffering. You may have not wanted to believe it, and refused to see it, but they were. If you cannot care for these dogs, I will. I will cry, and I will hurt, but I will cry with them, and I will hurt with them. But, I will not let them suffer.

This was my very first euthanasia. I do not give up easily, and I never will. I will continue to educate people such as yourself, and I will continue to take the dogs that need me like these two did, and many more have, and I will continue to pray that I will make a difference. Please, please, for the sake of my little buddy who waits for me in heaven, ask yourself if this really is all worth it. You do not know enough about this breed, or their needs to be a "reputable" breeder and from what I saw of these dogs, and the conditions they are being "bred" in, you never will be.

Alabama Pug Rescue and Adoption, Inc.

I'm sorry if some of the requirements are an inconvenience for you or you feel it's "over the top." But we do this... rescue... for the dogs that need us so desperately.
 
I am glad to thier are people who do feel passionate enough to rescue and have the heart to find these dogs and bring them back to life. I have dontated to resuces..all my pets are adopted and I hope..one day when my kids are older to become possibly a foster mom to some needy dogs who could use a second chance at life.


that said...I do not want rescuers to tear apart my life assuming I am a "bad owner " without evidence.

I would NOT mind weekly check up the frist month...monthly the frist year..and quarterly for the next and yearly after that. I would not mind haveing to provide pictures each year. I would not mind madatory dog obidence classes...I would not mind the home inspection...if it was to judge on the qaultiy of life the dog would recive..and not to judge wether I have a June cleaver clean home. I do not want to be sneered apon because I "dare" to want a dog while having the gall to actually have children too!

I do NOT mind going through some measures to assure the future happiness of the dog. I do mind when its so invasive that I feel I have to surrender information I would NOT TELL any other business to a virtual stranger who I have no way of knowing if they will fraudglently use that information.

yes, the dogs should be protected... But sometimes the measures are so extreme that the best homes are never given the chance and these dogs stay in foster care far longer than needed. I personally went to rescue another dog so that he will not go to the pound and get lost in the maze there. But I am sure there are people who consider rescue...only to walk away and find a breeder due to nazi tactics of some rescuers.

Rescuers do a GREAT service to these animals and humaity...I feel some become so empassioned that they begin to see only what horror people can inflict and that only they can love the breed as much as it deserves...in those cases...no home will be good enough.
 
We got our dog through a group called Save-A-Sato, it is a rescue group that flys up strays from Puerto Rico and places them in local animal shelters in the U.S. We found him on Petfinder.com and went to the shelter that had them him in Danbury, CT (they have tons of the satos rescued from Puerto Rico). It was a great experience, the only problem is that all of his records are in Spanish!
 
Originally posted by issa
I am glad to thier are people who do feel passionate enough to rescue and have the heart to find these dogs and bring them back to life. I have dontated to resuces..all my pets are adopted and I hope..one day when my kids are older to become possibly a foster mom to some needy dogs who could use a second chance at life.


that said...I do not want rescuers to tear apart my life assuming I am a "bad owner " without evidence.

I would NOT mind weekly check up the frist month...monthly the frist year..and quarterly for the next and yearly after that. I would not mind haveing to provide pictures each year. I would not mind madatory dog obidence classes...I would not mind the home inspection...if it was to judge on the qaultiy of life the dog would recive..and not to judge wether I have a June cleaver clean home. I do not want to be sneered apon because I "dare" to want a dog while having the gall to actually have children too!

I do NOT mind going through some measures to assure the future happiness of the dog. I do mind when its so invasive that I feel I have to surrender information I would NOT TELL any other business to a virtual stranger who I have no way of knowing if they will fraudglently use that information.

yes, the dogs should be protected... But sometimes the measures are so extreme that the best homes are never given the chance and these dogs stay in foster care far longer than needed. I personally went to rescue another dog so that he will not go to the pound and get lost in the maze there. But I am sure there are people who consider rescue...only to walk away and find a breeder due to nazi tactics of some rescuers.

Rescuers do a GREAT service to these animals and humaity...I feel some become so empassioned that they begin to see only what horror people can inflict and that only they can love the breed as much as it deserves...in those cases...no home will be good enough.


Thank you for saying what was difficult for me in my frustration. That is EXACTLY how I feel. I'm not saying I don't want follow-up or don't understand why it is important for these dogs to go to good homes....I too am willing to have home inspections etc... But eventually I will get fed up.... and I'm sure there are many people out there that end up buying a dog b/c of all this! Folks that would provide very good homes! It is just kind of ironic and sad.
 
Originally posted by issa
I am glad to thier are people who do feel passionate enough to rescue and have the heart to find these dogs and bring them back to life. I have dontated to resuces..all my pets are adopted and I hope..one day when my kids are older to become possibly a foster mom to some needy dogs who could use a second chance at life.


that said...I do not want rescuers to tear apart my life assuming I am a "bad owner " without evidence.

I would NOT mind weekly check up the frist month...monthly the frist year..and quarterly for the next and yearly after that. I would not mind haveing to provide pictures each year. I would not mind madatory dog obidence classes...I would not mind the home inspection...if it was to judge on the qaultiy of life the dog would recive..and not to judge wether I have a June cleaver clean home. I do not want to be sneered apon because I "dare" to want a dog while having the gall to actually have children too!

I do NOT mind going through some measures to assure the future happiness of the dog. I do mind when its so invasive that I feel I have to surrender information I would NOT TELL any other business to a virtual stranger who I have no way of knowing if they will fraudglently use that information.

yes, the dogs should be protected... But sometimes the measures are so extreme that the best homes are never given the chance and these dogs stay in foster care far longer than needed. I personally went to rescue another dog so that he will not go to the pound and get lost in the maze there. But I am sure there are people who consider rescue...only to walk away and find a breeder due to nazi tactics of some rescuers.

Rescuers do a GREAT service to these animals and humaity...I feel some become so empassioned that they begin to see only what horror people can inflict and that only they can love the breed as much as it deserves...in those cases...no home will be good enough.

DITTO here.

I just felt some of the people judge me because all of the requirements...like a fenced in yard were not met....yes I understood my breed and I know that invisible fences don't always work...but understand that I love my dog enough that if it is a problem I don't want my dog to runaway and get injured I'll figure something out.. But fortunately the invisible fence has worked wonderfully for both my beagles...so to tell me it never works for the breed is wrong...

Just be a little friendlier...sometimes that goes a long way....
 
I'm sorry so many of you have had poor experiences with rescue groups. As a volunteer for a rescue group this thread has given me a lot to think about. At least it appears that we are not one of the more 'extreme' groups that asks for financial statements (!). However, the breed we work with can be difficult and we've tried to put some safeguards in place to ensure that the dog and the family are a good 'fit'.

Issa, when our group does home inspections I ALWAYS tell the family that it is not a 'white glove' inspection, but just a check to make sure that the home will be safe for the dog, and also to ensure that the home was represented properly- i.e. if your application says you have a fence, it should be there. I can only think of one time when an applicant was rejected for the state of their home- it looked like one of those houses on the news, with piles of newspaper everywhere, boxes up to the ceilings, and narrow paths through each room because they were filled with junk. We are all volunteers- believe me, we understand clutter and dust bunnies!
 
Believe me, we are simply looking for good homes also. We are not fanatics at all, although we do home visits.

The problem with the invisible fence is that although it may do a good job of keeping your animals IN, it doesn't help to keep other animals OUT. That is a concern with pugs, as they are very small dogs and we are trying to ensure their safety. However, a fence is not a prerequisite for adopting from us.

We just want people who will take our rescues in and treat them as part of the family. And although we do not require financial information to be disclosed, it is important that the adopter be able to take the animal to the vet for wellness visits, as well as those unexpected illnesses.

You wouldn't believe the number of abused and neglected animals we get. As well as the, "can you take this pug... we're moving/expecting a baby/making some life changes" and they do not fit in the picture anymore. I have 4 with me now. Our Pres has 26.

Our adoption fee of $200 doesn't come anywhere close to paying for the vet bills we incur. And we always spay/neuter before placement, and many times do not charge an adoption fee at all when it is a "special needs placement."

But please don't get discouraged by rescue organization's processes. They are necessary in that we have committed to finding the best home for our dogs... and are trying to avoid "re-homing" the animal if it isn't the perfect placement for them.
 
whew... I'm glad there's a few other rescuers out there... I also volunteer with a rescue organization. I'm sorry if people think that I'm making them jump through hoops, however... I've seen enough horror stories to continue to be very cautious when adopting out dogs that I have personally rescued, brought back to health and loved for any amount of time.

I don't think the average person (someone looking to adopt a dog/puppy) realizes how many 'not-so-good' homes are out there. My friends tell me that I'm 'jaded' but maybe I've just had my eyes opened to what is really going on out there. There are a lot of people that treat their dogs like a member of the family and love them unconditionally, but there are a lot of people that don't treat their dogs any better than an inanimate object...

Please volunteer for your local group for a few days and you will quickly understand why some of these rescue groups seem to be so "crazy". There really are REAL experiences that lead up to the requirements that rescue groups set.

By the way... I have 3 male Miniature Pinscher puppies that are available for adoption. They require an in-home visit (I don't call them inspections, they're simply a time for me to get to know the adopter better and see where my babies will be going), they require a vet reference or I will assist the adopter in finding a good vet in their area, and I require that the new adopter take the pup through a beginner's class at an approved trainer (I will be paying for 1/2 of the class.) I've made these requirements based on these individual dogs and the characteristics of the breed.
Maybe the adoption organization that you're talking with has reasons for their requirements... maybe you can talk with them so you can better understand why they feel the way they do.

:wave2: princess:
 
I have volunteered for my local spayed and neuter club that also handles rescues. I even helped them place a few dogs and stopped after I found them to be completley unfair to prospective homes....deciding where to place them on preconcieved notion that someone from this town would be a better home than form "that" town b/c "that" town has some poor folks...w/out even giving the other home a chance...oh and b/c they were of Asian Indian decent. I don't know if they expect them to eat the dog or what. That is when I just stopped helping them. That was a few years back when I was not looking for a dog of my own.
 
The rescue groups I know of do scrutinize the home and homeowners.
The animals they have are rescue animals, that have been neglected and/or abused.
The rescuers probably have worked very hard to make these animals adoptable. They want to make sure they are going into good, reliable and steady environments.
I use to hear horror stories on how some of the dogs got into rescue and it is heartbreaking how others treat animals and see nothing wrong.
Rescue dogs are generally rescued when the owner has agreed to give up the pet.
As a TAME example, one dog was resued when he was probably around a year old. His habitat -- a small kennel -- day and night. His food -- biscuits and his own feces. :(
And the rescue group had to be persistent to take over this dog.
I think some people just don't want to give the animals up because of $ they have spent on a full blood breed.
 
We are a foster home for a Golden Retriever rescue group. We've taken care of 8 dogs in the last 1.5 years. We kept #7. She had been left in a backyard in a harness for 2 years and she outgrew the harness. After it couldn't stretch any further, it began digging into her skin and became embedded. It had to be surgically removed. She is very fearful about going through doorways when someone is standing in them. Obviously, someone slammed her with the door or hit her or something. It may have been that she was trying to come inside and was hit then. If a bedroom door is 1/3 open and she can see someone on the other side, she will stand there but she will not try to push the door herself.

I do think some rescue groups go overboard, but I know that they see horrible things on a weekly basis and it can make you cynical.

Almost every dog being given up was once someone's new, fun puppy.

We took care of a momma dog that was stolen out of a yard, bred (to a non-Golden), and when the police got suspicious, the bad guys took the momma and 2 of her puppies and threw them out of a car along the highway. One of the puppies died, but the momma and the other puppy stayed by its side for 2 days before animal services was called. The original owner saw her dog on our website and phoned. I was told that the reunion was a major tearjerker!

Rescue groups want to make sure you aren't going to adopt and then turn around and sell the dog at a profit. Our adoption fee is $175 and that includes spay/neuter being done, up to date on shots, and heartworm negative.
 
I forgot to add that Maggie, despite a wretched first two years, is a total sweetie with a Golden personality!
 
I could tell some horror stories- actually I did, on the dog-breeding thread, and got slammed for TELLING THE TRUTH and upsetting people. Doing rescue isn't all daisies and sunshine and happy fat puppies going home to loving families. For every good application we get, there are a dozen so-so ones and a handful of outright lunatics. The so-so ones aren't bad, but just not prepared for what the breed is actually like.
 
IN NO WAY am i saying there should not be stardarads or rules. I have worked at the SPCA and have seen horrid abuse..I have also worked within multiple kennels and have been trained and have worked as a dog trainer. I Have also worked most my life around farm animals and horses..even attending an agricultural high school.

I am not naive about the abuse that occurs in the world. I do not pretend that there is no abuse. I understand some hoops. I am all for rescues who do reasonable and NEEDED checks and updates...proper family placement and home visits.

what I was stateing is there ARE rescue nazies..and thier ARE some outragous requests asked of people from these groups...and once a person has experianced innterigation from a rescuer...they are VERY leary of stepping into the possiblity of taking in a rescue dog again. Some do go to breeders or simply the local shelter because, though they too ask very reasonable questions and have demands of what is needed to properly care for a dog.....you are not treated as a 3rd class person trying to prove your good enough to even think of haveing a pet.

like I have said before....thank goodness for rescuers...there are many many good ones, BUT there are ones that make you walk over hot coals and make you feel less than noteworthy. I can understand pouring your heart in soul in rescueing an animal but I do belive that "some" need to check how they are coming off to possible owners who too are looking to simply love an animal and give it a second chance.
So to those rescuers who are here....THANK YOU for doing what you do. I am sure you do a great job. But if nothing else from this thread..Just examine how you might appear to a possible owner....if you feel its good an you treat all openly and welcome thier intrest and try to help them find thier way to the best dog in thier home or encourage them to wait...thats great. But if you get many calls and not so many return calls....just self examine. theres no harm in looking at how others view a organization and thinking..does that apply to me?....if the answer is no...great. but that doesnt mean nazie rescuers dont exist either.

p.s

one of the worse cases I have seen was a wonderful goat (i love farm animals)..She had an infection in her leg. the owner...not wanting to pay for a vet, figured he could do it himself. he tied the goat to a tree, Built a good fire, put a metal shovel end in the fire to let it get red hot. He then proceeded to "amputate" the bad leg........with a chainsaw. To stop the bleeding he cauterized the wound with the red hot shovel.

The nearest neighbors are over a half a mile away. they called the police because they heard the most ungodly sound. It was the goat screaming.

I know abuse. I just dont think everyone in the world will be an abuser like some rescuers do.

btw...she went to live at the SPCA and overcame her challenges and turn out to be the biggest sweetheart..playful and happy, climbing on rocks and be bopping around on three legs!.. she went to a lovly family with a couple of ponies and 5 other goats.
 
Well I just returned from a breeders home, who is listed as the "akc" contact in my area, does rescues, puppies, show dog placements etc...she was wonderful. She spent a lot of time with me and the dogs and with me and my family decided one of her "retired" show dogs would probably be the best for us right now...they are all of 3 yrs old. She will check vet & references, do a home visit but this is after we "think" about it for a week. All appear very reasonable to me. This is how a rescue/adoption should be handled. I suddenly feel good about the situation again.

And again..issa...thank you for putting into words exactly how I feel!
 
thats WONDERFUL mep319

I truly hope the best outcome occurs for both you and the doggies :)

"She spent a lot of time with me and the dogs and with me and my family decided one of her "retired" show dogs would probably be the best for us right now...they are all of 3 yrs old. She will check vet & references, do a home visit but this is after we "think" about it for a week. "

sounds great and sounds like you walked away feeling good about yourself and her....and she is following through to ensure the best car for her dogs AND giving time to ensure this is not an impulse want..but rather a well thougth out addition to a family

:)
 


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