Dog question--mild "growl"...

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I don't want to call it a growl...but I'm not sure the other term for something a bit more mild.

In any case--what is a healthy level of sound from a dog who is just alerting that he doesn't wish a small child to be close anymore(but not touching)? Like an, "I'm done" kind of sound.

I'm just not familiar with dog sounds since we don't have one and we always ask permission before we pet dogs that don't belong to us.

I'm hoping dog experts could just chime in regarding without the details of a specific situation as I'm really just checking for peace of mind for something that I observed today. Thanks.
 
I don't want to call it a growl...but I'm not sure the other term for something a bit more mild.

In any case--what is a healthy level of sound from a dog who is just alerting that he doesn't wish a small child to be close anymore(but not touching)? Like an, "I'm done" kind of sound.

I'm just not familiar with dog sounds since we don't have one and we always ask permission before we pet dogs that don't belong to us.

I'm hoping dog experts could just chime in regarding without the details of a specific situation as I'm really just checking for peace of mind for something that I observed today. Thanks.

I am no expert, but I would be wary of any growling at a child that was just approaching and hadn't even made contact. To me that shows the dog is fearful and could lash out.
 
I'm certainly not an expert, but I think it depends on the breed, for one thing. Our beagle growls and snarls at you and you'd think he's about to rip you to shreds, but he's all noise. He's never hurt anyone and he's had plenty of opportunity.

Honestly, though, if it's just a small quiet growl, I think it's their "nice" way of saying, "this is mine."
 
A dog's growl is a warning that a bite is forthcoming if the offensive behavior (to the dog) doesn't stop - immediately.

It should be taken extremely seriously.
 

Well, that sound is definitely a growl. Sounds like it's territorial in that the dog didn't want the child near them. Loud or soft, it's a growl of some form. Personally, I've never cared for that kind of trait in a dog. It's threatening. Not saying that a dog would snap, nip, or bite as a result, but it is a form of a threat.
 
A dog's growl is a warning that a bite is forthcoming if the offensive behavior (to the dog) doesn't stop - immediately.

It should be taken extremely seriously.

That may to true in many cases, if not most, but it's not true with our two dogs. However, if a dog is not familiar to someone, I think it should absolutely be assumed.
 
That may to true in many cases, if not most, but it's not true with our two dogs. However, if a dog is not familiar to someone, I think it should absolutely be assumed.
In the dog world, it is very true.

Allowing either the growl OR the behavior that provokes it is a big mistake that owners make.
 
In the dog world, it is very true.

Allowing either the growl OR the behavior that provokes it is a big mistake that owners make.


The dog was very amicable and this was at the end of a function and the dog retreated to the kitchen. Children approached dog, dog didn't make a sound immediately. It is hard to describe how the situation transpired. The dog is only 1 year old and male and larger than the child.

Situation was nixed though. The children were asked to let the dog be and when they did not, the dog was escorted to a kidfree zone that kids did not have access to.
 
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Very few bites happen without provocation -- but the provocation may exist only in the dog's mind! We need to realize that dogs are not little people in furry costumes. They don't think in the same way that we do. They look at the world around them with a different perspective. Most of their actions are instinctive. A dog will react to situations according to what his instincts tell him unless these instincts are overridden by the consistent training and socialization he needs to receive from his owner throughout his life.

Here is one of the most commonly reported scenarios in a bite case: A very young child sees a pretty dog he'd like to pet. The dog may not want to be petted. The dog's first instinctive reaction is show his displeasure by giving a warning -- growling. The growl means that something more unpleasant will follow if the warning isn't heeded.

The type and number of warnings given can vary. Many dogs faced with a child like this would just walk away. Walking away can be considered a warning. If the child keeps trying to pet the dog, a sterner warning, usually a growl, will follow. Some warnings are more subtle -- a stiffening of the body, for example. Few dogs bite without giving some indication beforehand.

Small children (and some adults) don't recognize a warning when they see or hear one. A very young child (under age six) doesn't know what a growl means. What may be obvious to an adult isn't understood by the child. The child continues to pet or follow after the dog even though the dog has now clearly told him what will happen if he doesn't stop.

Dogs instinctively set up an invisible "fight or flight" boundary around themselves. The size of this boundary depends on his level of confidence and tolerance. A fearful dog will give itself a wider area than a more stable one. When someone who the dog perceives as threatening or unwelcome enters that area, the dog has two choices -- it can run away or it can defend itself. If it feels that it can't run away, it will fight instead, no matter how afraid it might be. Some dogs will choose to fight first, rather than run.

A small child that's petting or hugging a dog has already intruded well within the dog's flight or fight boundary, the dog's safety zone. If the dog has tried to leave or has issued a warning with no response from the child, the dog (in his mind) has no other recourse -- he bites. This is normal, instinctive behavior -- to the dog. He is responding to what he perceives as a threat and is doing what his instincts tell him to. Remember that dogs don't think in the same way that people do. A child's innocent action, petting the dog, can be provocation for a bite when seen through the eyes of the dog.

There are other circumstances that can provoke a dog to bite a child. Running, playing, screaming kids can trigger an instinctive predator-prey reaction in some dogs. Children who rough house and wrestle with dogs unknowingly encourage them to use their teeth. Dogs equate this kind of play with littermates or other dogs where using teeth is allowed. Startling a sleeping dog or petting him when he's eating can also provoke a bite.

What can be done to prevent dogs from biting children? I feel that, first, it's essential to understand that almost any dog will bite under the right circumstances. Second, a dog is a dog, an animal whose behavior isn't the same as humans and can't always be predicted with 100 percent accuracy, no matter how friendly or reliable he is.

Obedience training and socialization are absolute musts for a dog who'll be spending time with children. Remember that a dog will act according to his instincts if he doesn't receive proper training or if that training isn't kept up through regular practice. The dog needs to be taught to obey commands under all conditions no matter how distracting. Just as responding to the command to "come" could save the dog's life someday, an immediate response to the command "leave it!" could save a child from serious injury.

Just as children need to be taught how to be well-behaved around other people, they need to be taught to be well-behaved and respectful around animals. They need to learn what kinds of games are appropriate, how to touch the dog properly, how to interpret the dog's body language and when the dog is not to be disturbed. When they're old enough to understand, kids should be involved in the training process. They should learn to give the dog commands and be able to enforce them.

Adult supervision is essential! Small children should never, ever be left alone with any dog, no matter how reliable the dog has been before. A responsible adult needs to be on the scene to prevent any aggressive behavior by the dog and to keep the child from putting him or herself in danger. Telling the toddler to stay away from the dog isn't enough! Remember that young children don't recognize when they may in trouble. It's up to the adult to keep them safe from the dog and to keep the dog safe from the children. I can't stress enough that adult supervision around children and dogs is absolutely critical! If you can't be right there to handle whatever might come up or if you have any doubt about the dog's behavior around children, the dog should be put away out of reach of the kids.

Almost all of us would agree that it would be nice for our children to grow up with a dog. Kids and dogs are wonderful, almost an American tradition. If you're thinking of getting a dog for the children or already have one, here are some guidelines: Consider postponing the purchase of a dog, especially a large one, until your children are at least six years old.

1. Take your time when looking for a dog. Do your homework. Learn the differences in the various breeds and choose one best suited to your lifestyle and experience.
2. Be honest with yourself about the amount of time and work you're willing to put into a dog. If you don't have time to raise and train the dog properly, don't get one.
3. Buy your dog from a reputable, responsible breeder who puts priority on good temperament and health and consistently produces dogs that excel in those areas. Choose a breeder who's experienced and willing to guide and advise you about care and training throughout the dog's life.
4. Train and socialize your dog properly! Get help if you run into problems. Don't fool yourself into thinking the dog will "outgrow" it or that the problem will go away on its own.
5. Teach your children how to behave correctly and safely around animals and to respect them.
6. If your children are too young to understand, it will be up to you to physically supervise them and protect them from potential harm. Don't take chances with their safety! If you can't be right there to take care of a problem or if you can't control your dog or your child -- put the dog away.
7. Remember that what your dog tolerates from your own children may not be tolerated from someone else's. You need to take extra safety precautions when other children visit and make sure that the children obey your ground rules.
8. Never, ever leave a child alone with any dog, no matter how harmless the dog seems.

Kids and dogs are wonderful together -- when adults use common sense and put safety first.
 
We have a rescue that we will NEVER be able to rehome because her original owners "ignored" her growls until she eventually snapped at the child in the home (dog would retreat to her crate to escape poking/annoying child, and child would poke at it through the wires). Now the problem is that she does NOT growl, because, in her experience, growling "doesn't work". After having her for six years, I can recognize the warning signs (slight tip of the head, tiny curl of the lip), but we kennel her outside when company comes over.

Basically, people should NEVER leave a child of any age unsupervised with a dog IMHO. I love children, and I love dogs, but I've rescued too many dogs to be anything but realistic about this type of situation.

If the owner of the dog in the OP situation came to me for advice, I would say neuter the dog, enroll him in basic obedience class, and supervise him around people at all times. The dog owner has to be smarter than the dog and the child, in order to avoid possible tragedy.

Terri
 
We have a rescue that we will NEVER be able to rehome because her original owners "ignored" her growls until she eventually snapped at the child in the home (dog would retreat to her crate to escape poking/annoying child, and child would poke at it through the wires). Now the problem is that she does NOT growl, because, in her experience, growling "doesn't work". After having her for six years, I can recognize the warning signs (slight tip of the head, tiny curl of the lip), but we kennel her outside when company comes over.

Basically, people should NEVER leave a child of any age unsupervised with a dog IMHO. I love children, and I love dogs, but I've rescued too many dogs to be anything but realistic about this type of situation.

If the owner of the dog in the OP situation came to me for advice, I would say neuter the dog, enroll him in basic obedience class, and supervise him around people at all times. The dog owner has to be smarter than the dog and the child, in order to avoid possible tragedy.

Terri

A dog's growl is a warning that a bite is forthcoming if the offensive behavior (to the dog) doesn't stop - immediately.

It should be taken extremely seriously.

Well, that sound is definitely a growl. Sounds like it's territorial in that the dog didn't want the child near them. Loud or soft, it's a growl of some form. Personally, I've never cared for that kind of trait in a dog. It's threatening. Not saying that a dog would snap, nip, or bite as a result, but it is a form of a threat.

All of these~we separate our wire-haired terrier mix from visitors~it's too instense for him~our other 2 dogs are fine~Never underestimate a growl (and I'm a HUGE dog lover)
 
If a dog growls at a child, regardless of intensity, it's that dog's way of saying back off and it's best to heed the warning.
 
I am also of the mind it should be taken seriously. We have an older lab/?? mix. She has never, even been a good dog around smaller children or smaller dogs. She is fearful and territorial. We have tried everything. So, when the grandbabies come over or anyone with children under 3ft tall, she goes to her room and stays there until they leave. I don't trust her. She has growled a few times at one of the grandbabies and I don't ever want to place the dog or the child in a situation. So, we never leave her unsupervised with the grandbabies and honestly, it is rare she is around them. She is great with bigger dogs and she is great with kids she doesn't see as 'her size'. This is her one personality quirk.


Kelly
 
A dog's growl is a warning that a bite is forthcoming if the offensive behavior (to the dog) doesn't stop - immediately.

It should be taken extremely seriously.

This, 100 times. Just because growls all the time and has never bit, doesn't mean he never will. Growl=I'm going to bite you if you don't stop.
 
Actually I see it as a very good dog that it does growl instead of just lunging and attacking.
A growl is a warning that says stop now, I am warning you.
Could be territorial. Could be showing dominance. Could just say don't bug me now.
But it does mean Back Off, and again good the dog is giving that warning and not just being aggressive without warning.
Maybe people should growl. Wouldn't that be much easier than trying to guess if you should approach or talk to them? :rotfl2:
 
With our former dog - my DD who was probably 13 at the time, put her head on his chest - like she had done amillion times before. One itme - our dog did a "little" growl at her. Earned our dog a trip to the vet. It was so out of character for him, we figured something MUST be wrong. In piecing together the pieces - our dog hadn't "poo'd" in a couple of days, and was having issues with his "back-end glands"...vet put dog on an antibiotic, as well as something else...our dog felt much better. (Our dog continued to have gland issues - anytime we thought there was the beginning of something going on - we took him to the vet.)

I'm only mentioning this - because a medical issue should be considered too. Especially if the dog doens't normally behave like this.

The next dog we got, a stray from the humane society...passed the temperment test, was just a sweetie...UNTIL on day 2, he got startled while he was sleeping. Our dog launched into a horrific 30-second snarly growl. We took the dog back to the humane society the next day. It was a sad, sad situation. The H.S. ultimately euthenaized the dog, due to aggressive tendencies. (Prior to that decision, the vet did a very thorough exam, and while they did not do x-rays, felt there was an issue with his back side...which caused him pain...which caused the snarling. Yes - it was sad.
 
Dogs can't say, "Get away, you're annoying me". But they do give off warnings - if they're patient and socialized. People do well to a) avoid the things that produce an annoyance (if possible, especially if intentional) and b) read into the signals, such as the dog turning or pulling back head, moving away - or growling.

Pain or discomfort in otherwise reliable dogs can indeed cause growling or bites. So again, reading into signals is important. But also why no dog is ever 100% reliable. Any dog can bite.

Please don't allow kids (or anyone else) to do things to the dog that invoke growling. :guilty: Chances are good at some point a bite will be involved and the dog may wind up paying with his life.
 
I have a couple of opinions here:

1. Dogs and children should never be unsupervised.

2. If you have a dog and you have children visiting you whose parents are not willing to supervise them, then you need to protect the dog from the children by putting the dog elsewhere where the children will not be able to get to the dog. Any time a dog bites a child it is automatically the dog's fault, no matter what the offending children were doing to the dog prior to the bite/growl. It is not fair to the animal to put it into a position of feeling like it has to defend itself and then punish it for doing so.

3. If the dog and children do somehow get together and the dog growls, the dog must be removed from the situation immediately and reprimanded so that the dog knows that growling is not acceptable...in other words, you need to take back your role as leader of the pack.

We had a dog. We also have many friends with children. One of our friends has rather bratty children. When they were coming over, the dog was placed in the basement (it wasn't bad down there...food, water, his crate which he LOVED...) and the basement door was secured so that the children could not open it when their parents were not watching them, especially since the parenst never watched them. If they did see them doing anything, it was always "so cute how they figured out how to climb on your bathroom sink. They are so smart!!!". these people were not invited over frequently, as you might imagine....

Other friends with children, I would let the dog play with the kids for a bit (under my supervision), because the dog really did like kids and loved to run around the yard and play with them, but at a certain point I learned to "read" my dog well enough to know when he was getting to the point where he had had "enough" and then the kids were told that teddy was going for his nap, and into his basement he went.
 


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