Do you think Disney makes money on the Fort?

[des1954]

Disney code of business ethics:

If it don't make money, get rid of it!!

It isn't a coincidence that Mickey, Mouse & Money all start with "M"!!

 

[Mr Man]

For gross revenue, I'm sure any of the other resorts will easily top the Fort. I would not be surprised, however, if FW comes closer to the top when you look at gross vs. net.

Agreed. From what info I can glean from the Disney shareholders info packs, Disney Theme Parks and Resorts have a target ROI of 21%. It appears they meet and exceed this pretty regular nowadays.

I would love to see EBITA info broken down by resort/cost center (but that's just the nerd in me talking.......). I was once told by someone better informed than me that Disney runs their resorts and parks as independent cost centers. Perhaps this explains why some resorts get refurbed more often than others........hmmmm.....

 

[Katie Dawn]

Allright, this is what I'm talking about!

Clearly many of you have a much more sophisticated understanding of business/financial concepts than I do, but I think I'm getting the general idea here, and you are making very good points.

I'm enjoying everyone's comments!

 

[BigDaddyRog]

Its costing me, the barely Average Joe striving to keep ends meeting, over $4000 for 7 nights in a cabin with a family of 6 plus an infant. And that doesnt include souvenirs, golf cart,or any other odd expenses like gas to and from New Orleans. Its taken me 5 yrs to get around to saying I guess we can afford another trip, lets do it. If it werent for FW, I would never be able to aford to stay on disney grounds, i'd have to get two value resort rooms (have you read the reviews???), or a suite at a resort & I could never afford that. Disney knows us AvgJoes have SOME kind of change, and if they cant provide me with an affordable option....some crappy motel/hotel chain gets my business. That would mean that Id most likely wait till we were on our way back to the hotel to get dinner, instead of buying the Dining Plan, and why would I need to spend an extra 300 on a cart If I werent wanting the whole camping experience. Any profit is good profit...every penny counts.......and they ARE getting quite a few shiney pennies, at least by MY budget. If you're going to empty out pockets, you might as well empty out EVERY pocket...even the ones that are only half full. If you can take all of a mans money and have him walk away with a smile, he'll be back to give you his next paycheck as well. Oh, and Im thrilled to the bone about giving them my hard earned money, I cant wait to get there.


Des1954....you're getting there 3 days before me, have you been in December before? Should we pack shorts and Tees? Or would jogging suits be smarter?

 

[Colson39]

The All Star really isn't that bad, we stay there at least once a year, if you're not planning on spending a lot of time in your room it really is a great deal Although if you have to get two rooms, that kind of evens out the cost.

 

[ntsammy5]

For gross revenue, I'm sure any of the other resorts will easily top the Fort. I would not be surprised, however, if FW comes closer to the top when you look at gross vs. net.

Correctomundo FWGUY. Capital costs for the hotels are huge as is the depreciation -- very little capital expense for FW. Also, add revenues from HDDR and MBYBBQ (or whatever the letters are) -- they have to have those at an outdoor venue and I'm sure it's a huge amount. They're always packed!

I also agree that --

BEER IS GOOD

, especially when you're camping, watching football, watching other sports, eating lunch, dinner or breakfast -- pick one or all three, for a snack, when you're sitting watch the dog snore, or anytime at all for no reason at all. Do they still sell Grolsch at the Trading Post? I need to look next time.

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[ntsammy5]

Des1954....you're getting there 3 days before me, have you been in December before? Should we pack shorts and Tees? Or would jogging suits be smarter?

I'll answer for her but I'm sure she'll add her $.02 worth later. Definitely bring the shorts and Ts. She's been a lot more than I have (she lives 20 min away) but December can range from cool to HOT! So better bring both, but you'll use shorts and Ts a lot!

 

[des1954]

Des1954....you're getting there 3 days before me, have you been in December before? Should we pack shorts and Tees? Or would jogging suits be smarter?

Actually, I'm a Floridian & live only 30 miles from the Fort, so yes, I've been there in December !

The weather in December is usually very mild, but you can get fooled, too! Your best bet is to get a long range weather report from one of the following news websites:

www.myfoxtampabay.com

or

www.tbo.com

These are both stations out of Tampa, but their radar includes the Disney area. I'm sorry that I don't know the names of the Orlando stations - maybe someone else here does.

I'd bring mostly shorts & tees, a light weight hoodie (those boat rides can be rather chilly),one or two pairs of jeans, and ponchos. Of course you may also want to bring:

When we get checked in on 11/29, I'll post our site number. I usually try to get 1100 or 1700 loops. (keepin' my fingers crossed). Maybe we can arrange a "meet & greet" with other Dis-er's!!! ntsammy5 (my brother) will be arriving on 12/1 & staying with us for the week. Should be a lot of fun to meet other Disney Nuts!!!

 

[ntsammy5]

Maybe we can arrange a "meet & greet" with other Dis-er's!!! ntsammy5 (my brother) will be arriving on 12/1 & staying with us for the week. Should be a lot of fun to meet other Disney Nuts!!!

Actually, I'm coming on Friday, 11/30. Hope that's not a problem. See you then!

 

[Camping Cat]

Des1954....you're getting there 3 days before me, have you been in December before? Should we pack shorts and Tees? Or would jogging suits be smarter?

We've been going in December for many years now. All I can say is be prepared for anything. Bring the shorts and tees but also bring jeans and sweatshirts. The last few years we've had some pretty chilly weather....froze to death at the campfire.

BTW, hi neighbor! Have you lived in Mandeville long? I mean, pre K or post K?

 

[BigDaddyRog]

BTW, hi neighbor! Have you lived in Mandeville long? I mean, pre K or post K?

Well HELLO THERE!!! W'yat?? I've been in Mandeville since about 2002, so well pre-katrina, but I was born and grew up in Metairie, and lived in Kenner for a few years before going to the northshore, and I've worked in the french quarter for the past 18-20 yrs, the last 8 of those years actually on Bourbon St....so with all that debauchery and wildness...the innocence and magic of disney is very inviting!!! This is my first trip as a GRAMPAW(grandpaw to those non-n'awleanians), cant wait to see those new set of eyes light up when he see's Mickey for the first time!!! This is also my first trip with another male in the family besides me....I have 4 daughters, and my wife is terrified of any rides that go faster than 2 miles an hour....so Ive been princessed and small world'd to death on my last four trips, but now, me & the grandson are gonna show these pansy women how to party!!! Umm...hes only 6 months old and Im 39....but we'll find a bridge for that generation gap at disney for sure!!

 

[Gatordad]

Hey! take it to email.

 

[Camping Cat]

Hey! take it to email.

Take what to email?

 

[Shorty82]

Take what to email?

I'm thinking he means the personal, off-topic discussion that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

 

[Gatordad]

si

 

[JCJRSmith]

Disney code of business ethics:

If it don't make money, get rid of it!!

It isn't a coincidence that Mickey, Mouse & Money all start with "M"!!

Just looking at the corporate financials, the Europe and Hong Kong parks are bleeding money.

 

[Gatordad]

I'm not doubting you on that, but I think their sunk costs in the form of building the parks is so high, they can't pull the plug. It's not like you can sell a theme park as big as a Disney one.

 

[Colson39]

Walt Disney World keeps Disney afloat for the most part. If they lost Walt Disney World, they would be in a world of hurt. That's pretty much easy to figure out though, it's obviously their bread and butter and jam and whatever else you want to put on it.

 

[ftwildernessguy]

That's for sure.

 

[Camping Cat]

I'm thinking he means the personal, off-topic discussion that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

I knew exactly what he meant. I just found it amusing how black the pot was when it was talking to the kettle. :-/