Do You think DISNEY has gone down hlll the last few years?

[Disney Von Drake]

You seem to be stuck on the fact that somewhere Disney said that they could cut out all discounts and still do great business. And that Disney is ridiculous and arrogant for saying so. Where did they say this? And if this isn't something Disney said and it's just someone's opinion, why are you so angry about it?

Disney's Iger says discounts will be scaled back
By Leah Zanolla
Dec 9, 2009

In what seems like an attempt to get people to plan Disney vacations sooner rather than later, Disney Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger announced that the company will start phasing out their deep discounts in late 2010. In order to draw people into the parks in this rough economy, Disney has offered several large discounts this year, including the extension of the free dining promotion and a buy-4-get-7 night deal. The strategy has been working to keep the parks filled, but the bottom line budget has still been affected. Operating profit for the resort fell 25 percent in 2009. Some say that the company is hurting their future business, by leading people to expect such discounts or bringing people in who may have been planning a trip at a later date. Iger doesn't agree. He says that the discounts have brought in new customers who may not have been able to visit without the discounts. He made no indications on exactly when the discounts would be scaled back.

Of course, Iger was out of touch with the real world.

 

[KellyNY]

See ... that's the thing. "I am not gonna list resort prices, simply go to any of the travel sites and compare yourself." No. That's what I asked YOU to do, and you won't do it. Which makes me wonder if you actually know how much any other resort charges at rack rate. I think you're just mad at Disney and think Disney is too high and costs too much and you're going to keep stating that as fact without ever taking the time or effort to actually try and prove it. And my guess is that you don't want to go through that exercise because there's a chance that the difference isn't as dramatic as you think.

Priceline, Travelocity, and Expedia do not list rack rates. They are discount sites. You can use them to compare someone else's discount to Disney's discount, but you can't compare the rates you find there to Disney's rack rate and call it an even comparison. Of course everything there is going to be dirt cheap -- that's what those sites are for. You can't compare Grand Floridian's rack rate to what it costs at an offsite resort on Priceline. That comparison means nothing.

It's also impossible for anyone to know why you're so angry without knowing what you consider "reasonable". Disney resorts clearly aren't, but is there a comparable property at or near Disney whose rack rates you consider "normal" or "reasonable"? You don't even need to look up the numbers. Maybe just give a few examples of resorts that you think are a good value for what they offer. At least that gives us an idea of what sort of range you find reasonable.

And if you find $35 for a buffet unreasonable and unaffordable, don't pay it. Where is it written that everything at WDW must be affordable to everyone? Clearly that price point is reasonable and affordable to the people who are paying it.

Disney has offered discounts and deals from day one and, I imagine, always will. But there are folks out there who are willing to pay Disney rack rates. Those people clearly feel as though those prices are appropriate or they wouldn't pay them. And as long as some segment of the population is willing to pay that, Disney will sell those rooms at that rate. Just like every other resort out there (have you checked Portofino's rack rates lately?). Disney has never said that they would "stop all discounts". They've said that there will come a time where they will reduce the amount of discounts they offer and stop discounting as deeply. They'll do that based on the overall economy. And when the economy rebounds to a point where that happens, every other non-Disney resort will do it too.

You seem to be stuck on the fact that somewhere Disney said that they could cut out all discounts and still do great business. And that Disney is ridiculous and arrogant for saying so. Where did they say this? And if this isn't something Disney said and it's just someone's opinion, why are you so angry about it?

Actually I posted some prices few pages ago right from expedia, they do show regular prices, I was checking resort sites. And offsite resorts obvious winners when it comes to price and they also run promotions just like disney so technically they even more affordable and they are true to rating unlike disney hotels. Does it mean disney hote prices unreasonable, personal opinion but does it make them overpriced comparing to offsite, absolutely and it is a fact.

 

[sparks19]

for me, no it hasn't gone downhill. I have yet to have a bad experience at Disney. Maybe it's just rose colored glasses as I am in an extremely good mood the entire time I'm there but I think I'll keep them Sure I suppose there are things that suck sometimes but for me I just don't notice them. I'm so elated to be there that the little stuff doesn't even dawn on me.

yes it's expensive if you pay rack rates (we have DVC) but for me it's totally worth it. I don't get anywhere NEAR the experience of Disney anywhere else. That's something I'm willing to pay extra for. It's a totally unique experience. My husband is probably going to start keeping track of how many times I say "I love it here so much" whenever we are at Disney world lol.

 

[WDSearcher]

Disney's Iger says discounts will be scaled back
By Leah Zanolla
Dec 9, 2009

In what seems like an attempt to get people to plan Disney vacations sooner rather than later, Disney Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger announced that the company will start phasing out their deep discounts in late 2010. In order to draw people into the parks in this rough economy, Disney has offered several large discounts this year, including the extension of the free dining promotion and a buy-4-get-7 night deal. The strategy has been working to keep the parks filled, but the bottom line budget has still been affected. Operating profit for the resort fell 25 percent in 2009. Some say that the company is hurting their future business, by leading people to expect such discounts or bringing people in who may have been planning a trip at a later date. Iger doesn't agree. He says that the discounts have brought in new customers who may not have been able to visit without the discounts. He made no indications on exactly when the discounts would be scaled back.

Of course, Iger was out of touch with the real world.

I've read this before, but where does it say (per flicx) that Disney believes they could "offer no discounts and stay at rack rates" or that "disney can stop all discounts and do just as well".

What Iger seems to be saying here is that the level of discounting that Disney has been doing will gradually be phased out and that the "deep" discounts will end. And that seems to be a perfectly reasonable strategy. He doesn't say that they're going to stop offering discounts period. And he doesn't seem to be saying that he expects profits to zoom as these discounts end. Furthermore, he doesn't say when this will happen. Which seems to indicate that he's waiting for that point in the economic recovery (providing that EVER happens!) when deep discounting won't be necessary to guarantee a full house because consumer confidence will return and people will have more disposable income.

My point, I guess, is that ... isn't this just basic business strategy? And don't we think that SeaWorld and Universal and Six Flags and everyone else in the theme park industry is thinking the very same thing?

 

[WDSearcher]

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but does it make them overpriced comparing to offsite, absolutely and it is a fact.

Well ... sure. Onsite Universal hotels are more expensive when compared to offsite too. Because you GET stuff for being onsite. You're PAYING for those perks.

At Universal, it's front of line and early entry and being within walking distance of the parks.

At Disney, it's EMH and Magical Express and a transportation system.

To you, that may mean that a Disney or Universal resort is overpriced. To someone else, getting extra hours or front of line or early entry is worth the extra they pay. So it's still opinion -- not fact.

It's a fact that it costs significantly more to stay on-site than off-site. But whether being on-site is "overpriced" is still up to each individual.

 

[flicx]

See ... that's the thing. "I am not gonna list resort prices, simply go to any of the travel sites and compare yourself." No. That's what I asked YOU to do, and you won't do it. Which makes me wonder if you actually know how much any other resort charges at rack rate. I think you're just mad at Disney and think Disney is too high and costs too much and you're going to keep stating that as fact without ever taking the time or effort to actually try and prove it. And my guess is that you don't want to go through that exercise because there's a chance that the difference isn't as dramatic as you think.

Priceline, Travelocity, and Expedia do not list rack rates. They are discount sites. You can use them to compare someone else's discount to Disney's discount, but you can't compare the rates you find there to Disney's rack rate and call it an even comparison. Of course everything there is going to be dirt cheap -- that's what those sites are for. You can't compare Grand Floridian's rack rate to what it costs at an offsite resort on Priceline. That comparison means nothing.

It's also impossible for anyone to know why you're so angry without knowing what you consider "reasonable". Disney resorts clearly aren't, but is there a comparable property at or near Disney whose rack rates you consider "normal" or "reasonable"? You don't even need to look up the numbers. Maybe just give a few examples of resorts that you think are a good value for what they offer. At least that gives us an idea of what sort of range you find reasonable.

And if you find $35 for a buffet unreasonable and unaffordable, don't pay it. Where is it written that everything at WDW must be affordable to everyone? Clearly that price point is reasonable and affordable to the people who are paying it.

Disney has offered discounts and deals from day one and, I imagine, always will. But there are folks out there who are willing to pay Disney rack rates. Those people clearly feel as though those prices are appropriate or they wouldn't pay them. And as long as some segment of the population is willing to pay that, Disney will sell those rooms at that rate. Just like every other resort out there (have you checked Portofino's rack rates lately?). Disney has never said that they would "stop all discounts". They've said that there will come a time where they will reduce the amount of discounts they offer and stop discounting as deeply. They'll do that based on the overall economy. And when the economy rebounds to a point where that happens, every other non-Disney resort will do it too.

You seem to be stuck on the fact that somewhere Disney said that they could cut out all discounts and still do great business. And that Disney is ridiculous and arrogant for saying so. Where did they say this? And if this isn't something Disney said and it's just someone's opinion, why are you so angry about it?

Please searcher if you are gonna jump in half way through please read everything before you make these kind of statements.If you read back through I am sure you will find where it was stated and also implied if disney stopped discounts that people would still come and business wouldn't miss a beat!I was responding to tiger and you jumped in so I embelished you.I don't wanna hear how it isn't fair to compare rack rate to someone elses sale rate.That is what was presented to me.The whole premise was if disney did not discount that the would still do the same business that they do with discounts.That is a fantasy.I love how you try to tell me I don't know what rack rates are at resorts in florida and somehow belittle my knowledge of the area.I have stayed at universal in deluxe quite a few times my friend,I also have been going to disney for about 30 years and have stayed at every level there to,so I think I am quite versed in disney and off property prices.You also imply that I am mad at disney,not true,I don't like aggressive raises with lots of cuts,I think they are pricing many out.Ironically there is yet another thread going at this very moment about that very subject,hmmm must be quite a few "angry" as you call them disney people who can see what myself and others can!Please before you give me homework,do your own, and read what was said and don't put words in my mouth. ### As a side note just checked the deluxes for both disney and universal as you asked for ....regular rack rate regular view at both in feb(regular season) portofino 299.00 and GF 460.00 weekday,495.00 weekend, poly 465.00 weekday,510.00 weekend,contemp 365.00 weekday,405.00 weekend! I will also tell you from expierience the hard rock and the royal pacific will be less than the portifino!Of course I guess I could look them up since I really don't know the area very well!

 

[KellyNY]

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Well ... sure. Onsite Universal hotels are more expensive when compared to offsite too. Because you GET stuff for being onsite. You're PAYING for those perks.

At Universal, it's front of line and early entry and being within walking distance of the parks.

At Disney, it's EMH and Magical Express and a transportation system.

To you, that may mean that a Disney or Universal resort is overpriced. To someone else, getting extra hours or front of line or early entry is worth the extra they pay. So it's still opinion -- not fact.

It's a fact that it costs significantly more to stay on-site than off-site. But whether being on-site is "overpriced" is still up to each individual.

Perks are important to some and true rating important to others, off sites also provide transportation btw. what important to everyone is an opinion but no matter how you look at this price is a fact, not an opinion. No matter how you turn it disney hotels overpriced when compared to the rest of orlando hotels. Just because you refuse to see numbers as facts doesn't mean they are not.

 

[sparks19]

yes staying at a disney resort is more expensive than staying at generic hotels around the area but I feel like you get what you pay for. during our last trip we stayed at BLT and we had to check out friday morning but we weren't leaving until SAturday so we got a room at a generic hotel near seaworld (can't remember the name) and yes it was less expensive (if you paid rack rates for it) but it was easy to see why it is less expensive. I always joke that disney has ruined us for regular hotels lol because we just can't help but think "if this was Disney world this wouldn't be like this or that would have been like that etc etc" we can't help it lol.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

But what makes you think that people DON'T want to go more than ever?

Disney is offering discounts to make it more attractive to visit, certainly. But it's also a function of the economy as a whole. People have less money to spend on vacations, and so Disney offers discounts (like every other vacation destination is right now) so that people can use their more limited funds to go on vacation. Disney is NOT alone in this strategy. There are discounts galore at everyplace from Six Flags to Dollywood to Broadway to Vegas. Every travel destination out there is competing for the smaller and smaller segment of people who have money available to travel.

Exactly! Their promotions are born out of an understanding of economic realities. One would assume that WITHDRAWING those discounts at some point will be born out of same. Attendance data show that the demand is there for this "product". Will EVERYONE agree that it's worth it? Of course not! There is NOTHING that EVERYONE will agree on!

I think the bottom line is that this is a business -- Disney has a track record to prove that they know how to attract customers and gain their loyalty, with minimum defections as compared with most goods and services out there. They've also proven to ultimately be able to navigate different economic climates and come out on top. Do they retain EVERY customer? Nope. But that is obviously not what any company's business model can be based upon!

Exactly. There are some on here who have very passionate opinions about whether Disney is in trouble or going downhill, and it is just personal opinion based on their own experiences. Disney does not conduct business by the seat of their pants, but based on some of these responses on here, you would think they did!

Bingo!

I am not comparing ticket prices, I am comparing price raise and it has nothing to do with value or price itself.

Yes, it does, actually. It's a matter of price sensitivity of the customer base. And how price-sensitive customers are depends on loyalty, perceived value of the offering, substitute offerings, etc. In Disney's case, the customer base tends to be quite loyal and the offering viewed as unique enough that customers are generally less price-sensitive - all other variables held constant (e.g. economic environment). I.e. Disney can enact a greater price increase than can many companies w/o deleterious effects.

Revenue is PRICE x VOLUME... and there's an "ideal" equilibrium point that any company/industry chases. So, of course, they can raise their price and see a decrease in attendance and still realize the same or potentially increased profits.

Seems like some people here are viewing this through the prism of their experience alone. Disney obviously doesn't do this - they are looking at the big picture and the bottom line - as well they should.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

Disney's Iger says discounts will be scaled back
By Leah Zanolla
Dec 9, 2009

In what seems like an attempt to get people to plan Disney vacations sooner rather than later, Disney Chief Executive Officer Bob Iger announced that the company will start phasing out their deep discounts in late 2010. In order to draw people into the parks in this rough economy, Disney has offered several large discounts this year, including the extension of the free dining promotion and a buy-4-get-7 night deal. The strategy has been working to keep the parks filled, but the bottom line budget has still been affected. Operating profit for the resort fell 25 percent in 2009. Some say that the company is hurting their future business, by leading people to expect such discounts or bringing people in who may have been planning a trip at a later date. Iger doesn't agree. He says that the discounts have brought in new customers who may not have been able to visit without the discounts. He made no indications on exactly when the discounts would be scaled back.

Of course, Iger was out of touch with the real world.

Context: at that point in time many economists were forecasting slow but steady growth in US GDP... growth that HAS NOT materialized. And thus Disney adjusted with economic realities and kept promotions going... as any well-run company will. NO ONE has a crystal ball wrt to the economy. Companies can only adjust as new realties materialize.

 

[jenrose66]

Hey All!
Brunette here. Okay, I'm a Disney freak, nut, etc. I'm obsessed with Walt Disney World. I love it there, so much that we go about 6 - 8 times a year. We are annual pass holders. But I'm getting alot of bad vibes as to what is really going on in the world and it's really starting to get me to wonder. Is Disney turning into a money machine, that is only interested in making a buck and forgetting about all it's fine customers/guests? Here is my reasoning, if you will:

Disney dining - They have increased all buffets services and lowered the quality of food, i.e. took off prime rib at Boma and a few other restaurants.

Disney Concierge Service - I've been reading that the food isn't what it used to be. Yet people pay a large premium for this. Food runs out and is not replenished etc.


Christmas attractions - Took away the lights at Epcot. It was just beautiful. It totally ruined the whole effect last Christmas season.

Nickel and Diming the guest - Holiday surcharges for buffets. Okay, I can understand Thanksgiving and Christmas. But Memorial Day through 4th of July too! It's just plain wrong.

Doubling the price of a stroller- Double stroller 1 1/2 years ago was $18.00 now it is over $30.00. If you multiply that by 7 days it's the price of a rent a car!

Ticket increases - Every August there is a ticket increase!

Brazilian groups- Extremely disruptive, rude, crass, and down right hazardous (blocking pathways), making loud noises outside of value hotel rooms in the early morning hours. There are 2-3 threads about this outrageous behavior, with hundreds of complaints from our DIS friends. Yet, Disney refuses to do anything about this.

With the economy in the tank, people out of jobs, it would seem that Disney shouldn't be this greedy, for a lack of a better word. I'm just starting to notice some of these ill effects taking place. This is just my observation.

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Thanks all!
Brunette

I do agree. I'm feeling nickel and dimed. For me it's probably a combination of things. When I first started going it was just me and DH and we had a large amount of disposable income. That isn't the case for us, a Disney trip for us requires some financial sacrifice from other places. Maybe because of this I take more notice of details.

Prices have gotten very expensive and the cast members are apathetic. Especially at the hotels. The theme parks are still pretty good, but when you stay on property and use the transportation, hotel services, and magical express, you notice the decline.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

My point, I guess, is that ... isn't this just basic business strategy? And don't we think that SeaWorld and Universal and Six Flags and everyone else in the theme park industry is thinking the very same thing?

 

[WDSearcher]

Please searcher if you are gonna jump in half way through please read everything before you make these kind of statements.If you read back through I am sure you will find where it was stated and also implied if disney stopped discounts that people would still come and business wouldn't miss a beat!I was responding to tiger and you jumped in so I embelished you.I don't wanna hear how it isn't fair to compare rack rate to someone elses sale rate.That is what was presented to me.The whole premise was if disney did not discount that the would still do the same business that they do with discounts.That is a fantasy.I love how you try to tell me I don't know what rack rates are at resorts in florida and somehow belittle my knowledge of the area.I have stayed at universal in deluxe quite a few times my friend,I also have been going to disney for about 30 years and have stayed at every level there to,so I think I am quite versed in disney and off property prices.You also imply that I am mad at disney,not true,I don't like aggressive raises with lots of cuts,I think they are pricing many out.Ironically there is yet another thread going at this very moment about that very subject,hmmm must be quite a few "angry" as you call them disney people who can see what myself and others can!Please before you give me homework,do your own, and read what was said and don't put words in my mouth.

Sorry ... I didn't realize that anyone who joins the conversation has to read all 3000+ posts first. I'll bet if I agreed with you it wouldn't matter.

It's great that you're well versed in Disney and Universal. No doubt you can probably trump most of us here based on where you've stayed and how often. I know you've got more resort visits than me. With that much knowledge about Disney, both on-site and off, you likely have a better than average idea of what would be considered reasonable in the Central Florida market. Which is why it's even more of a mystery why you won't just use those numbers to prove your point, since you clearly have that information at your fingertips. But you won't even provide an idea of what you personally consider to be a "reasonable" level. You just keep repeating that Disney isn't it.

Without knowing what you think is a fair price and what isn't, it's impossible to understand your POV.

And as long as we're talking about putting words in other peoples' mouths, please don't put them in mine either. I didn't say that I thought anyone else was angry. I said I thought you were. Yes, there's another topic going on about this, but I have no idea how the people on that topic sound, as I haven't read any of the posts in that topic. I was just commenting on your posts here.

 

[KellyNY]

yes staying at a disney resort is more expensive than staying at generic hotels around the area but I feel like you get what you pay for. during our last trip we stayed at BLT and we had to check out friday morning but we weren't leaving until SAturday so we got a room at a generic hotel near seaworld (can't remember the name) and yes it was less expensive (if you paid rack rates for it) but it was easy to see why it is less expensive. I always joke that disney has ruined us for regular hotels lol because we just can't help but think "if this was Disney world this wouldn't be like this or that would have been like that etc etc" we can't help it lol.

Was it in same category and how different it was.

 

[WDSearcher]

Ooooooooo

Perks are important to some and true rating important to others, off sites also provide transportation btw. what important to everyone is an opinion but no matter how you look at this price is a fact, not an opinion. No matter how you turn it disney hotels overpriced when compared to the rest of orlando hotels. Just because you refuse to see numbers as facts doesn't mean they are not.

I think this is really just about how we're defining the word "overpriced."

You're saying, I think, that because Disney hotels are more expensive than other local hotels, that they are overpriced. But I'm honestly not disputing the numbers.

I agree that Disney hotels are expensive. I don't agree that they are overpriced.

 

[sparks19]

I must be very lucky because we always stay on property and use transportation etc and I haven't had any cast members who were anything less than stellar. Our last trip we wrote a letter to the powers that be when we got home with special mentions of all the cast members who went above and beyond and half of the list was from our resort experience

 

[Tiger926]

Please searcher if you are gonna jump in half way through please read everything before you make these kind of statements.If you read back through I am sure you will find where it was stated and also implied if disney stopped discounts that people would still come and business wouldn't miss a beat!I was responding to tiger and you jumped in so I embelished you.I don't wanna hear how it isn't fair to compare rack rate to someone elses sale rate.That is what was presented to me.The whole premise was if disney did not discount that the would still do the same business that they do with discounts.That is a fantasy.I love how you try to tell me I don't know what rack rates are at resorts in florida and somehow belittle my knowledge of the area.I have stayed at universal in deluxe quite a few times my friend,I also have been going to disney for about 30 years and have stayed at every level there to,so I think I am quite versed in disney and off property prices.You also imply that I am mad at disney,not true,I don't like aggressive raises with lots of cuts,I think they are pricing many out.Ironically there is yet another thread going at this very moment about that very subject,hmmm must be quite a few "angry" as you call them disney people who can see what myself and others can!Please before you give me homework,do your own, and read what was said and don't put words in my mouth. ### As a side note just checked the deluxes for both disney and universal as you asked for ....regular rack rate regular view at both in feb(regular season) portofino 299.00 and GF 460.00 weekday,495.00 weekend, poly 465.00 weekday,510.00 weekend,contemp 365.00 weekday,405.00 weekend! I will also tell you from expierience the hard rock and the royal pacific will be less than the portifino!Of course I guess I could look them up since I really don't know the area very well!

No, flicx that is not what I said at all....

Nowhere did I say that Disney wouldn't miss a beat if they stopped discounts. You are the one who is embellishing. I said we don't know how it will affect them as the discounts have been ongoing for several years now. I am absolutely certain that people will still go to WDW, as Disney never used to discount, and they were host to millions of guests on an annual basis. The bean counters at Disney might have an idea about how changing the discount structure will work, but since guests are fickle, and the economy is precarious, we don't know what will happen to attendance figures. This is a positive and reasonable attitude, whereas you are negative, as you assume that Disney will fall flat on their face because you have determined that the pricing structure is too high. You are very negative in your thinking, as you have decided that if Disney changes the discount structure, then no guests will visit WDW. Are you serious?

My issue is that you generalize in an immense way. I am not saying that Disney can stop discounts and the parks will be jammed with crowds...I can't make those distinctions as I'm not privy to the private and confidential numbers that would go into those types of decisions. I am confident though that people will still go to WDW, as there are many guests who pay rack rates. You don't seem to believe that, and so I'm having trouble taking what you say at face value. If you've been going to Disney for 30 years like you say, and stayed everywhere, then you have paid rack rate at some point, as Disney never used to discount at all, so why wouldn't you think there are people now who would also pay? This is a confusing line of thinking...

That being said, do not assume that I am saying that Disney's attendance won't go down at all. I have no idea if this will happen, as I have no idea how many guests will stop going to WDW if they change the discount structure. Maybe you have a crystal ball, but I surely don't. I am saying that guests will still go to WDW though, as they were there before discounts (as it seems you were), and they will be there after.

By the way, WDSearcher's input on this thread is very reasonable and valued. He is looking to have a balanced discussion, just like I am, and it's the reason why Brunette started this thread.

Tiger

 

[KellyNY]

I think this is really just about how we're defining the word "overpriced."

You're saying, I think, that because Disney hotels are more expensive than other local hotels, that they are overpriced. But I'm honestly not disputing the numbers.

I agree that Disney hotels are expensive. I don't agree that they are overpriced.

That's why I said comparing to other resorts in orlando.

 

[WDSearcher]

That's why I said comparing to other resorts in orlando.

Yes.

And again ... I agree with you that as compared to other resorts in Orlando, Disney resorts are expensive.

I do not agree that, as compared to other resorts in Orlando, Disney resorts are overpriced.

To me, "expensive" and "overpriced" do not mean the same thing.

 

[WDSearcher]

### As a side note just checked the deluxes for both disney and universal as you asked for ....regular rack rate regular view at both in feb(regular season) portofino 299.00 and GF 460.00 weekday,495.00 weekend, poly 465.00 weekday,510.00 weekend,contemp 365.00 weekday,405.00 weekend! I will also tell you from expierience the hard rock and the royal pacific will be less than the portifino!Of course I guess I could look them up since I really don't know the area very well!

So ... can I take this to mean that you would consider a $299 rack rate for a resort like Portofino to be "reasonable"? Or are you just giving numbers for comparison?

This information shows what the rates are but not whether or not you think any of them are fair. Any thoughts?