Do you consider this abuse?

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My cousin has been married for 15 years, and has an 8 yr old son. Her husband works every day, is very involved in their son's activities. He can be fun to be around, but is generally a serious person, he doesnt laugh a lot. He doesn't hit them, or belittle them, or humiliate them.

But, he flies into rages. Over nothing, a drink spilled on the carpet, their son not doing what he's told the instant he's told to do it, and I mean literally the instant. Like he said he doesn't call them names, but he yells and swears. (she says he talks like a sailor all the time, so the swearing doesn't count.) The yelling will go on and one for 10-15 minutes. She says he's never hit her, but will occasionally grab her arm or neck if she tries to walk away.

Their son loves his dad very much. He would be devastated if they separated.

The question is, is this abusive? She has pretty much gotten used to it over the years, but now she's wondering. Remember when that tape of Christian Bale came out last year, where he was screaming at the cameraman or whoever, and everyone thought it was so awful? She didn't see what the big deal was, it didnt sound unusual to her. Now , my dad was the same way, so it didnt seem like a huge deal to me either, but she says that maybe we are just desensitized.

So what do you think? Abuse that would be harmful for a child to grow up with, or normal temper tantrums?
 
Verbal and emotional abuse can be just as hurtful as physical and sometimes even worse because you can't see the bruises and scars.
 
The rages qualify as emotional abuse and since he won't let his wife walk away and physically restrains her, it's physical abuse as well. It is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in, so she should be considering counseling of some sort to help the dad get his temper under control.
 

Oh it's abuse all right...big time. Emotional. And the grabbing at her? Physical too.
 
I think I'd ask him to see a counselor for this rage and get help. If he would not do it then I believe I'd leave that marriage.

She'll never feel good about that little boy staying with him though. :(
 
Grabbing her arm and neck @ times- abuse

Screaming over trivial mishaps- abuse


Please talk her into getting some counseling for her and her son. :sick:
 
My cousin has been married for 15 years, and has an 8 yr old son. Her husband works every day, is very involved in their son's activities. He can be fun to be around, but is generally a serious person, he doesnt laugh a lot. He doesn't hit them, or belittle them, or humiliate them.

But, he flies into rages. Over nothing, a drink spilled on the carpet, their son not doing what he's told the instant he's told to do it, and I mean literally the instant. Like he said he doesn't call them names, but he yells and swears. (she says he talks like a sailor all the time, so the swearing doesn't count.) The yelling will go on and one for 10-15 minutes. She says he's never hit her, but will occasionally grab her arm or neck if she tries to walk away.

Their son loves his dad very much. He would be devastated if they separated.

The question is, is this abusive? She has pretty much gotten used to it over the years, but now she's wondering. Remember when that tape of Christian Bale came out last year, where he was screaming at the cameraman or whoever, and everyone thought it was so awful? She didn't see what the big deal was, it didnt sound unusual to her. Now , my dad was the same way, so it didnt seem like a huge deal to me either, but she says that maybe we are just desensitized.

So what do you think? Abuse that would be harmful for a child to grow up with, or normal temper tantrums?

He does belittle and humiliate tham. He has (so far) not hit them, but is grabbing her arm and neck. I think a punch is just waiting to happen . . . and there is the emotional abuse aspect . . . the unpredictable temper.

Is it abusive behavior? Yes. Abusive behavior takes it toll. Is she experiencing it as abuse? Perhaps not given her background. Do you see it as abusive? Perhaps not, if your Dad behaved like that.

Is it harmful to a child? Yes. Children should grow up with parents who do not have uncontrollable "temper tantrums" and should show respect, gentleness and kindness to their spouses and children.

You are both survivors and are perhaps denying reality. :grouphug: to you both. By posting the question here, I think you already know the answer. Please encourage your cousin to get some counseling and help in this area to help keep this family safe. The husband and father in this case can be helped if he faces his behaviors and is willing to change.

If you excuse this aberrant and abusive behavior you and the cousin in question will probably be perpetuating another cycle of violence. To the third generation. That would be tragic.

All the best, but please contact a Domestic Violence support group in your area. If I can be of any help in finding a group, feel free to PM.
 
we're only here on Earth for a short time and that sure sounds like an awful way to spend it for both mother and child :sad2:
 
Abuse and if her son adores his father and she allows this continue then her son will be just like a dad. It is a cycle. Hope she finds the strength to get out and/or he gets help.
 
My cousin has been married for 15 years, and has an 8 yr old son. Her husband works every day, is very involved in their son's activities. He can be fun to be around, but is generally a serious person, he doesnt laugh a lot. He doesn't hit them, or belittle them, or humiliate them.

But, he flies into rages. Over nothing, a drink spilled on the carpet, their son not doing what he's told the instant he's told to do it, and I mean literally the instant. Like he said he doesn't call them names, but he yells and swears. (she says he talks like a sailor all the time, so the swearing doesn't count.) The yelling will go on and one for 10-15 minutes. She says he's never hit her, but will occasionally grab her arm or neck if she tries to walk away.

Their son loves his dad very much. He would be devastated if they separated.

The question is, is this abusive? She has pretty much gotten used to it over the years, but now she's wondering. Remember when that tape of Christian Bale came out last year, where he was screaming at the cameraman or whoever, and everyone thought it was so awful? She didn't see what the big deal was, it didnt sound unusual to her. Now , my dad was the same way, so it didnt seem like a huge deal to me either, but she says that maybe we are just desensitized.

So what do you think? Abuse that would be harmful for a child to grow up with, or normal temper tantrums?

Yes, he sounds abusive. He has no business grabbing anything on her while angry.

Now you say the son loves him very much. While I am sure he does, but, does he know anything different? Won't he be more devastated if his father flies off the handle one day and hurts his mother, or him?

I am not an advocate for divorce. However, no one should ever live with someone that does not respect them, screams at them or grabs them when angry. This young boy will grow up to also disrespect women and a screamer. Someone needs to stop the cycle from repeating.

The man needs counseling, as does your cousin, she needs to find out why she allows herself to be treated like a doormat.
 
Yes it is abusive and if she is living with it thinking it is no big deal she is teaching her son how a man should treat his wife and child.
 
Temper tamtrums are not normal for anyone over the age of two.
(barring the absence of developmental delays or other problems)

What you described is abusive. :sad1:
 
I'd like to thank you all for your replies. They have opened our eyes a bit. It's funny what can seem "normal" after awhile. :sad1:
 
It's abuse.
Sadly because she grew up with it she may think it's acceptable.

One of my professors said: Abuse is defined as anything that is harmful, injurious, or offensive.

I have always remembered her words~
 


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