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Madonna’s Self-Censorship
What Motivated the Material Girl’s Decision to Pull Anti-War Video?

April 16 — When she announced she was pulling a new anti-war music video, it seemed as if the unthinkable had occurred. Was Madonna actually censoring herself?

In mid-February, word got out that the Material Girl's new music video for her album American Life featured explicit war imagery in an apparent protest of the then-imminent U.S. action against Iraq.
A month later, with the ground war in Iraq under way, the entertainer decided to pull the new video just four days before its scheduled premiere, saying she didn't want to "risk offending anyone who might misinterpret the meaning" of the video.

The video features Madonna dressed in combat gear, riding a tank onto a fashion show runway, then hosing down the fashionistas in the audience. With background war scenes of guns and bombs falling, Madonna throws a grenade at a President Bush look-alike in the audience. But then, the grenade turns into a cigarette lighter that the look-alike uses to light his cigar.

In a statement on her Web site, Madonna said the video was filmed before the war began and she did not think this was an appropriate time to air it.

"Due to the volatile state of the world and out of sensitivity and respect to the armed forces, who I support and pray for, I do not want to risk offending anyone who might misinterpret the meaning of this video," Madonna said.

On the VH1 special Madonna Speaks, premiering tonight, the pop star says the controversy surrounding the video got out of hand. It was being bashed by people who hadn't even seen it, she said.

"And at that point no one had seen it at all and it just took on a life of its own," Madonna told the music video channel. "So suddenly I was making the video that was horrible, and full of horrible things, and you know it was terribly irresponsible. Meanwhile nobody saw it and nobody knew what they were talking about."

Freedom to Dissent

A newly edited version of the video with most of the war imagery removed is set to air soon. But Madonna says she is disappointed with what she sees as a breakdown of free speech in the United States.

"You know, it's ironic that we were fighting for democracy in Iraq because we ultimately aren't celebrating democracy here," she told VH1. "Anybody who has anything to say against the war or against the president or whatever is punished, and that's not democracy, it's people being intolerant. And everyone is entitled to their opinion for or against. That's what our constitutional rights are supposed to be, that we all have freedoms to express ourselves and to voice our dissent if we have that."

Right now, people are so volatile and upset that they're not seeing irony or subtlety, and many are afraid to make waves, she said.

"Everything is taken literally and it's like this lynch-mob mentality has kind of risen up," she said. "And people don't — people behave in a very unpredictable way."

A Publicity Ploy?

But Chris Farley, a senior editor at Time magazine, says Madonna's change of heart over her video is more about her business agenda than her personal politics. Her new album comes out on April 22.

"Some artists have released pro-war songs and some released anti-war songs, but they realize if you want to say something of substance someone is going to have a problem with it. Madonna obviously wants to join the camp of substance this time around but decided to pull back," Farley said on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.

Last month, the Dixie Chicks' lead singer Natalie Maines apologized after saying at a concert that she was ashamed that President Bush was from Texas. Her remark had sparked outrage among country music fans and some boycotts from radio stations.

Then last week, the national Baseball Hall of Fame canceled plans to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the baseball movie Bull Durham because stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon are known anti-war activists.

"If you want to say something, sometimes you have to pay a price," Farley said.




Why are these show-biz types so self-absorbed that they would presume that everyone would want to listen to their political views???

Why do they think that the American people would agree with them, when polls show that over 50% of the population supported going to war against Iraq????

Why do they keep confusing MY democratic right not to listen to them or buy their stuff to be denying their right to free speech????
 
Why are these show-biz types so self-absorbed that they would presume that everyone would want to listen to their political views???

My only ideas on this, is the celebrities have been surrounded by adoring fans for so long that they think everyone adores them. Their egos get uplifted everytime they step out of the door as fans seak out their autographs etc. Since they have been told by so many for so long... you are great, we love you, can I have your autograph...... that they just assume everyone thinks that way and will drool whenever they talk
 
I think she makes some good points, but as far as I have seen, no one's constitutional right to free speech has been violated.

Here's the First Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The 1st amendment protects us from Congress. That's it. No one's been arrested for simply speaking their minds. They get arrested for breaking the law. Have Robbins or Sarandon been arrested? Has the government deprived them of their life, liberty or property without due process of law? No.

I don't feel sorry for any of them. They spoke out and that's fine. If their statements adversely affect their careers, then that's the chance they took. The Constitution guarantees them the right to speak, but it makes no provisions for careers. Actions have consequences and we all live with that.
 
Here here, Deb. Someone please explain to Material Girl that the Right to Free Speech does not equate to the Right to Sell Unpopular Records.

She will not be thrown in jail for stating her views. She will not be stoned to death for stating her views. She might not make a lot of record sales, but she's still free. It's her choice.
 

Originally posted by olena
.....The 1st amendment protects us from Congress. That's it. No one's been arrested for simply speaking their minds. They get arrested for breaking the law. Have Robbins or Sarandon been arrested? Has the government deprived them of their life, liberty or property without due process of law? No.

I don't feel sorry for any of them. They spoke out and that's fine. If their statements adversely affect their careers, then that's the chance they took. The Constitution guarantees them the right to speak, but it makes no provisions for careers. Actions have consequences and we all live with that.

I wholeheartedly agree!
Annemarie
 
Some of the problem may be that entertainers are, by and large, completely uneducated. Many of the most "accomplished" may have never finished high school let alone college or even a simple civics course down at the local community college
 
Originally posted by Galahad
Some of the problem may be that entertainers are, by and large, completely uneducated. Many of the most "accomplished" may have never finished high school let alone college or even a simple civics course down at the local community college
Too true. And of course, we can't expect them to go to something like that now - they might have to mingle with "commoners".
 
Originally posted by ckr
Here here, Deb. Someone please explain to Material Girl that the Right to Free Speech does not equate to the Right to Sell Unpopular Records.


Actually, she has the right to do both.
 
The people who always cry about their right to free speech are also the ones who cry when they speak freely and then another person exercises THEIR right to free speech by disagreeing.

I support anyone's right to say anything under the "free speech" amendment. That doesn't necessairly mean I agree with WHAT they say, but I support their right to SAY it. That free speech thing works both ways though. While I support your right to say something, I also have the right to say something in disagreement, and I will. My disagreeing with your statement is not "squashing" your right to free speech. It's disagreeing with what you have freely said.

Celebrities are in the enviable(or maybe unenviable) position of having their livlihood somewhat based on public opinion. If Natalie Maines, Madonna, Susan Sarandon etc make the decision not to speak freely because it may negatively affect their record/movie sales and earning power, that is THEIR decision. I am not saying that they can't speak. I am saying that if they do speak, and I disagree with their position, I will not be purchasing anything they create which may give them a monetary reward. I would never tell them they can't speak. It is their constitutional right.
 
Geez, with each post I read, it made it harder to decide who to quote! :) I can't add to anything anyone else has said, except that I agree...I've been screaming at the TV every time all these self-centered celebs cry about being punished for free speech. Could someone please sit them down and explain this all to them? And talk rreeaaalllyyyyyy ssslllooowww...
 
"Anybody who has anything to say against the war or against the president or whatever is punished, and that's not democracy, it's people being intolerant. And everyone is entitled to their opinion for or against. That's what our constitutional rights are supposed to be, that we all have freedoms to express ourselves and to voice our dissent if we have that." [/QUOTE)

Yes, we ALL have the freedom to express ourselves and to voice our dissent.....even against her view by not watching her videos or buying her music. At least thats the way I voice my dissent.

Its all about the money for Madonna and those like her. When she discovered that her protests may hurt her bottom line, she quickly retracts the video. I respect those her stick to their convictions even though it is not popular. Many on this board have held negative views of the war and have maintain that view in spite of the decisive victory. I know their votes in the voting booth are not hollow, but true belief in what they feel is correct. My hat is off to you, not to those like Madonna.
 
Interesting article about the difference in the attitudes of celebrities in the movie & music industries and those of many of our professional sports celebrities, with regard to the war:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/558ynfot.asp

Tiger Woods has this posted on his website:


Woods Lends Support to Troops Overseas

26 March 2003 by Tiger Woods

I have great respect for the men and women fighting overseas to protect our way of life in Iraq and other parts of the world. As the son of an Army officer, I understand the strength, courage and discipline required to successfully carry out their missions in hostile environments and feel tremendous pride they are representing us.

Obviously, no one likes war. Our Congress and President tried hard to avoid the use of force, but ultimately decided it was the best course of action. I like the assertiveness shown by President Bush and think we owe it to our political and military leaders, along with our brave soldiers to be as supportive as possible during these difficult and trying times. I just wanted to take this opportunity to let our forces know that I am thinking about you and wishing you and your families the best.
 
It really upsets me that these people think their rights are being infringed upon. No one is telling them to shut up...all they are being told is "we don't agree with so I'm not supporting anything you do"

Anyone is allowed to say whatever they want, anyone can disagree with that.

I can say "the sun is blue" and you are all going to tell me "no, it's not" but I can still say it!:D
 
Could it be that maybe people who have been inundated with war coverage for the past month or so just wouldn't be interested in watching a music video that looked like a clip of CNN?

I saw some of the video....she's always dressed up for her videos, whether it's as a cowboy or in fatigues. So what? The Bush thing with the grenade...it was silly. I didn't get the point. Maybe that he doesn't take war seriously? I don't know. But, I don't turn on music videos to see war. If she wants to release it the way it is, fine. But, I'd probably turn it off even though I like Madonna. If I want to see war, I'll turn on the news. I'm really disappointed though.....I never thought she would bow down to public opinion like this. There was a lot of backlash after most of her concerts, videos, etc. Why now? I say she's trying to jump on the "my free speech is being taken away" band wagon. If she can simulate sex on stage and take the heat, she can show war in a video and take the heat. If she did it out of respect for the people actually living through the war, that's fine, but don't say the public pressured you to do it. Based on her history, I don't buy it.
 
I have a question...When she was doing this interview, was it in her "English Accent" or her "Brooklyn Accent"? :rolleyes:
 
I'm of the opinion* that this had to be for publicity. Madonna has never backed down from controversy before. I saw clips from this video and it is actually pretty tame compared to some of the stuff she has done in the past.

* please note the use of the word "opinion". I haven't talked with Madonna yet, but as soon as my people get in touch with her people, I'll let you know what she has to say ;)
 
Good question Tracy. Does anyone else think she sounds like a complete moron with that fake English accent?
 


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