Disney's smoking ban could be relieved a bit

[BayouMickey]

Wrong, if you have a child in a car full of smoke you are causing harm to the child, the child has no defense against your bad choices. In some cases the word "abuse" could easily come into play.
If a parent poured a drink down a child's throat protective services would be called in without a question......

As far as odors, older people, spilled drinks are NOT causing harm to anyone's body. An unpleasant scent cannot be compared to lung cancer, asthma, allergies, COPD, heart disease & stroke.

Here we go same argument that has no concrete proof. State ONE instance where second hand smoke killed someone. I won't accept anything with "could have" or people with pre existing conditions. GO!

PS don't EVER acuse me of abusing my child again.

 

[mackay_j]

People who have been based working in very smoky working mens clubs who have never smoked have died of lung cancer (the type usualy only credited to smoking). Roy Castles for one, although that in itself can never be complete proof, it was a stong enough case for the manufactures of cigarettes to put warnings on packs... they would not have done this without reason as damaging to their market. However, I am sure that no one has their children in that sort of enviroment. I mean the smoke in these places was so thick you had to wave your hand about inorder to see the other side of a table. I grew up in a house where my dad smoked, but he made sure I was not breathing in his smoke, so just to assume that just because you are a smoker that you are abusing your child is a stretch to far. But I do believe that in order to ensure that you do not cause any damge to a child you do need to keep the air around a them as clean and free from damaging impurities as possible that includes many things, insect, spray, polish, talc, and unfortunatly for smokers smoke. It doesn't mean that you can't smoke just that you have to do it carefully, I am also sure that most do, even if they don't admit it.

 

[BayouMickey]

People who have been based working in very smoky working mens clubs who have never smoked have died of lung cancer (the type usualy only credited to smoking). Roy Castles for one, although that in itself can never be complete proof, it was a stong enough case for the manufactures of cigarettes to put warnings on packs... they would not have done this without reason as damaging to their market. However, I am sure that no one has their children in that sort of enviroment. I mean the smoke in these places was so thick you had to wave your hand about inorder to see the other side of a table. I grew up in a house where my dad smoked, but he made sure I was not breathing in his smoke, so just to assume that just because you are a smoker that you are abusing your child is a stretch to far. But I do believe that in order to ensure that you do not cause any damge to a child you do need to keep the air around a them as clean and free from damaging impurities as possible that includes many things, insect, spray, polish, talc, and unfortunatly for smokers smoke. It doesn't mean that you can't smoke just that you have to do it carefully, I am also sure that most do, even if they don't admit it.

"Castle, a non-smoker, blamed his illness on years of playing the trumpet in smoky jazz clubs"
He blamed it on 2nd hand smoke, it was never confirmed OR denied. And it was never stated if he died from Non-small cell lung cancer or Small cell lung cancer. It was just assumed at the time since smoking was connected as ONE culpret to lung cancer, that is where he contracted it from.

Now I'm not saying he didn't get it from 2nd hand smoke, I'm just saying there is still no concrete proof.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Here we go same argument that has no concrete proof. State ONE instance where second hand smoke killed someone. I won't accept anything with "could have" or people with pre existing conditions. GO!

PS don't EVER acuse me of abusing my child again.

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

Also I have several volunteers that it has been concluded that their lung cancer was caused 100% by second hand smoke. The few that are still alive lecture on it especially to doctors & young students...the others are gone.
If you would like to chat with one of my volunteers to educate yourself please let me know.

Smoking in front of a child is just like telling them to go play in the street.
Will a car come down the street & strike them? Maybe not....would 99.9
% of people NEVER take that chance? I believe they wouldn't.

 

[marsrunner]

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

Also I have several volunteers that it has been concluded that their lung cancer was caused 100% by second hand smoke. The few that are still alive lecture on it especially to doctors & young students...the others are gone.
If you would like to chat with one of my volunteers to educate yourself please let me know.

Smoking in front of a child is just like telling them to go play in the street.
Will a car come down the street & strike them? Maybe not....would 99.9
% of people NEVER take that chance? I believe they wouldn't.

Nice! There's that condescending attitude smokers were talking about from nonsmokers just a few posts back!

Oh, and by the way, you don't have to pour a drink down a child's throat to abuse them by using alcohol yourself. The psychological impact from living with an alcoholic (even one that appears to the outside world to not have a problem) is just as bad as the physical impact from living with a smoker.

I will never understand why drinking is any more socially acceptable than smoking. They both negatively impact people around the user in different ways.

 

[BayouMickey]

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

Also I have several volunteers that it has been concluded that their lung cancer was caused 100% by second hand smoke. The few that are still alive lecture on it especially to doctors & young students...the others are gone.
If you would like to chat with one of my volunteers to educate yourself please let me know.

Smoking in front of a child is just like telling them to go play in the street.
Will a car come down the street & strike them? Maybe not....would 99.9
% of people NEVER take that chance? I believe they wouldn't.

Again nothing conclusive.. Same burnt out song over and over. and your analogies are over the top and non comparable.

 

[raidermatt]

Again nothing conclusive.. Same burnt out song over and over. and your analogies are over the top and non comparable.

Sorry, just want to be clear.

Are you suggesting that long-term exposure to 2nd hand smoke causes no harm to a person's health?

 

[RobDoc]

Since it appears that the topic is no longer being discussed it must be time to close down this thread.