Disneyland is moving the western security check to allow Downtown Disney

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disney-734462-guests-checkpoint.html

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Guests would be checked as soon as they left the Mickey & Friends parking structure before boarding the tram toward Downtown Disney.

Two other checkpoints are set to be added: one of them will be between ESPN Zone and Rainforest Cafe and the other between ESPN Zone and Earl of Sandwich restaurant. Officials said these would likely service guests coming from the hotels.<<

So how will this impact the parks?

How about the current special Grand California entrance next to Sephora. How about the emergency egress that GCH has straight in to DtD, you can't close those (and some guests use one of them as a way to cut down the walk to the parks.

Also, will it cut down the amount of locals that currently come to just dine/shop in Downtown Disney?

And on busy days, I have seen Disney currently turn off the esclators when the current tram loading area is full, so how do you deal with the logistics of adding another clogging point.

Should be interesting to watch.
 
Guests would be checked as soon as they left the Mickey & Friends parking structure before boarding the tram toward Downtown Disney.

Two other checkpoints are set to be added: one of them will be between ESPN Zone and Rainforest Cafe and the other between ESPN Zone and Earl of Sandwich restaurant. Officials said these would likely service guests coming from the hotels.

Wow, this brings up a lot of questions for me as I generally stay at GCH. If you're staying at GCH, do you have to choose the GCH/DCA entrance or one of the new checkpoints by ESPN? What about the monorail checkpoint? Will they add another checkpoint at the hotel's DTD entrance? I can see potential big bottlenecks for hotel guests from GCH and PPH. PPH guests could use the ESPN checkpoints more easily as they can route around DTD but GCH guests would have to do a lot of walking around to get there without accessing DTD in between.
 
I've been looking at how this will change Mickey and Friends for a while. I haven't checked recently, but I saw some concept art of what they may be doing with the parking a month or two ago. It looks like the tram loading area will be moved into the outdoor area of the parking lot and the entire area where the trams currently load will become security.

I still haven't been able to get a clear feel for what's happening with DTD entry points though. I never stay at GCH, but we do use the walkway once in a while. I was wondering if maybe they'll put some sort of technology there that limits who can access that hallway while still leaving the emergency exit open. Otherwise, it seems like a weak point in security.

Anyway, I'm happy to see that people will be screened in the parking lot before coming in. Hopefully that means the area heading into the parks doesn't get so clogged up.
 
Interesting. So based on what it says, guests of DLH will go through bag check but guests of GCH and PP (those who enter via the GCH lobby) will not as bag check will be west of the exit to DTD. I have a feeling that there will be a bag check put up, they just aren't addressing that particular 'change' in the article.
 

With all of Disney's checking of guests, a cast member recently told me they still do not subject their vendors to screening.
 
I am at DL today...heard from people here on the ground they are also adding a checkpoint in the covered area in the walkway between the Grand and DTD that was not mentioned in the article

Be willing to bet that the "secret exit" from the Grand to DTD and other emergency exit shortcuts will then be off limits and alarms placed on those doors. The monorail checkpoint will go away as it will now be inside the DTD secure bubble.

Sounds like a great idea to me overall and it will improve the flow into DTD.
 
I wonder how that will affect people with selfie sticks that might want to use them at Downtown Disney, though I haven't really seen any lately.
 
I am at DL today...heard from people here on the ground they are also adding a checkpoint in the covered area in the walkway between the Grand and DTD that was not mentioned in the article...
I hope this new checkpoint has more capacity than the existing GCH to DCA entrance. This checkpoint will need to be open early (Starbucks is open 5AM), so there should not be the same huge line found at the DCA entrance (that opens with the park).

...Be willing to bet that the "secret exit" from the Grand to DTD and other emergency exit shortcuts will then be off limits and alarms placed on those doors...
You are likely correct. Although I use the "secret exit" quite often, making it "off limits" would only be a minor inconvenience.
 
Very curious as to how this will work. Can they actually keep all of DTD in the security bubble?

And how to handle DGC? Here's to hoping that it is delayed until after my trip next week. Don't want to have to deal with the first week of a new procedure. And also, why would they want to do this during the holiday season. Seems that mid-January would be a good time to make a major change to entry procedures.
 
Last year around Christmas is when they started the metal detectors (only they used contractors to do the job.)
 
We just booked at PPH for mid December, so I'll be interested to see how they do this.
 
Seems that mid-January would be a good time to make a major change to entry procedures.

I disagree...with the busiest time the week between Christmas and New Years, making improvements before that crush makes sense to improve flow. What is now a single choke point will be spread out over 4 new check points on that side of the park. This is gonna mean less wait times (hopefully) for everyone to get to the gates regardless if you are coming from a resort hotel or M&F.

I am doing NYE and staying at PPH with reservations at DTD for dinner so I seriously HOPE the new procedures are in place by then so we don't have to worry about security checkpoint backups heading back into DCA.
 
It's hard to not picture massive crowds going through security at the parking structure, especially first thing in the morning. I was thinking it may be easier and quicker to walk (assuming they will still have a pathway to for pedestrians) to dtd from the parking structure and go through bag check there. I guess time will tell!
 
OK, let's look at some of the issues this will cause.

How to deal with DtD employees, do they have to go through some sort of security check?

How about deliveries to the stores and restaurants?

Do you place a new backstage security check in the back lot area north of DtD?

Grand Californian has a lot of rooms on the south side of DtD, what about Emergency egress in case of a fire? We currently have one well known one at the east end of GCH next to Starbucks. Presently many guests use it to leave the Hotel as a shortcut. Then we have the pathway next to Sephora that is the main GCH entrance to DtD.

What to do with the current Picnic Area, which includes lockers that can hold items that don't pass the security check (Coolers, glass bottles, etc.)?

The pathway/emergency egress from Disneyland Drive to the current DtD Tram area for Mickey & Friends has two main DtD entrances, one is next to the Tram area, the other is next to Wetzels Pretzels, marked exit only, but all it is a fence gate about 3 feet high and no lock. Since the restrooms are right there, you see CM's/DtD employees use it, as do guests. Another related issue is the fact that Disneyland Drive only has a sidewalk on the east side of the street, so the city has some say in that pathway, especially the Anaheim Fire Marshall. It is also how guests who don't want to wait for the tram (thinks families with strollers and not wanting to fold them up, or wait in long lines).

And that brings us the Mickey & Friends area, in another thread,there is nice marked photo that shows a potential plan, that places the security check between the escalator and an expanded tram loading area. But it is in the middle of the trams. How do you deal with those who don't want to ride the tram, or those who stay at the Condos on Walnut that opt to take the tram? And those sent to park in Pinocchio, which at least some of the lot has to remain, due to the design of the Structure and how they deal with over-sized (height) vehicles, they can only leave the toll booths and go into that lot.

Then we have the actual checkpoints, since Disney stopped offering Valet for DtD, it should be fairly easy to build a security check north of the ESPN Zone entrance, which will allow "secure" guests to eat there.

And then it looks like the plan is to have another checkpoint just west of Earl of Sandwich, which also allows "secure" guests to grab a sandwich. but will have to have the other side of the fence located west of the ESPN Zone patio seating area, to keep the area secure. (I presume they will use the area where the Christmas tree and ice skating rink has been in the past. This also will be the main entrance for the Hotels and the main parking for DtD (Simba Lot),

And you do have the issue of the emergency egress on the east side of the AMC Theaters, which is used a lot by DtD employees to enter the park. (Friends dropping them off at the GCH self parking lot). But it is also designed for guests in case of emergency.

Now, if you have ever noticed, the south side of Whitewater Snacks has a large double gate system designed for emergency egress between DCA and the Hotel, mainly designed for the Hotel guests to use in case of a fire or other emergency. But it does get triggered "by accident" more often than security wants. It is a very tall set of gates. So that might work in some cases.

But then, let's say they install it on the walkway on the north side of DtD that goes to Disneyland Drive. That solves one problem, but then what do you do with the guests that are currently sent that way to avoid the tram? Will the city allow Disney to not provide access to the park from there? Disney could work on a better sidewalk from Pinocchio to the ESPN Zone, which now is a confusing walk.

I think one major issue is the "Secret exit" from the GCH next to Starbucks (east end, next to World of Disney). How do you stop guests fro trying to use it. You have to keep the door ready to open in case of fire. So you can add a security alarm, but what does that do? At the airport, when one of those is triggered, they clear out the entire terminal, and re-screen everyone. This is not practical at the Disneyland Resort.

I truly hope they have addressed all these issues, and then what to do when they start work on the new 4th Hotel that is going to go next to the ESPN Zone?

A big can of worms, and what do the DtD tenants think of it, will the better access for park guests offset the potential loss in locals and those who just want to shop at DtD?

Should be interesting to see this happen in less than two months...... (Amazingly quick time frame).
 
I disagree...with the busiest time the week between Christmas and New Years, making improvements before that crush makes sense to improve flow. What is now a single choke point will be spread out over 4 new check points on that side of the park. This is gonna mean less wait times (hopefully) for everyone to get to the gates regardless if you are coming from a resort hotel or M&F.

I am doing NYE and staying at PPH with reservations at DTD for dinner so I seriously HOPE the new procedures are in place by then so we don't have to worry about security checkpoint backups heading back into DCA.

Instead, you will have to worry about the backup prior to dinner, as the new security check that you will use is also used by the Simba Lot, which has become the main Downtown Disney parking lot.
 
I hope this new checkpoint has more capacity than the existing GCH to DCA entrance. This checkpoint will need to be open early (Starbucks is open 5AM), so there should not be the same huge line found at the DCA entrance (that opens with the park).


You are likely correct. Although I use the "secret exit" quite often, making it "off limits" would only be a minor inconvenience.

OK, alas, you are looking at a fixed hallway (Between Sephora and Anna's and Elsa's Boutique) like the DCA Entrance, to have a two way path including security, you will be limited to about 2 stations. At least you don't have to deal with tickets, taking photos, placing names on tickets, etc.... But the area next to it (the outdoor patio area) is used by the convention center and for weddings, so you would have to be very careful in designing it.
 
I've been looking at how this will change Mickey and Friends for a while. I haven't checked recently, but I saw some concept art of what they may be doing with the parking a month or two ago. It looks like the tram loading area will be moved into the outdoor area of the parking lot and the entire area where the trams currently load will become security.

I still haven't been able to get a clear feel for what's happening with DTD entry points though. I never stay at GCH, but we do use the walkway once in a while. I was wondering if maybe they'll put some sort of technology there that limits who can access that hallway while still leaving the emergency exit open. Otherwise, it seems like a weak point in security.

Anyway, I'm happy to see that people will be screened in the parking lot before coming in. Hopefully that means the area heading into the parks doesn't get so clogged up.


Another board had a potential new design, in which the tram route is pushed a bit west, and new tram loading areas would be built to enlarge the center section where the escalators end and the restrooms are located (and those should be outside of the secure area.) to allow a larger area to install the security check. One issue, what to do with those who don't want to use the tram...
 
For early mornings, once you go through security, would you still wait at the old security area at the end of Downtown Disney before the Esplanade until they allow you to line up at either DL or DCA to enter for the day?
 












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