Disney unions split before contract vote

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JASON GARCIA, NEWS — BY STAFF ON OCTOBER 4, 2010 AT 11:38 PM

Three of the six unions that make up Disney’s Service Trades Council — which represents approximately 20,000 full-time workers at the resort — are urging their members to reject the proposed contract in an election tentatively set for Oct. 14.

Two of the council’s other unions have yet to take a position on the contract. And the sixth group is recommending a yes vote.

The split centers in large part on how Disney would distribute raises during the course of the 42-month contract.

Under the proposal, all full-time employees would get a $550 bonus this year and, provided they are not already at the top of their individual pay scale, at least 3 percent raises in 2011, 2012 and 2013.

But employees in select positions would receive larger raises — as much as 4 percent a year. For example, while merchandise workers would get 3 percent increases all three years, monorail employees would get 3.25 percent in 2011, 3.75 percent in 2012 and 4 percent in 2013.

Critics say the proposal is unfair, in part because some of the smallest raises are in less-specialized job classifications where workers already earn less money.

“The people who make the least are those who can least afford to get the smallest percentage increase,” said Julee Jerkovich, secretary-treasurer for United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1625, which represents merchandise employees as well as banquet workers and florists. “We believe that Disney can give raises, and they can give an equal percentage raise.”
Steve Eisenhardt, vice president of labor relations for Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, said each raise is based on a variety of factors unique to each job classification, such as how difficult a position is to fill.

“We evaluate them based on the skills necessary, the market competitiveness, … and we come to a conclusion as to what those increases can be,” Eisenhardt said.

Others say the overall size of the raises are inadequate for a company like Disney, whose theme-park division earned $1.4 billion last year, though that operating profit was down 25 percent from the year before. Many workers, they say, would see their raises largely wiped out by increases in health-insurance premiums.

“OK, these are tough economic times. But not for Disney,” said Donna-Lynne Dalton, a business agent for Teamsters Local 385, which represents bus drivers, characters and others. “It’s tougher than it has been, I’ll give you that. But they’re still doing very well.”

Disney’s Eisenhardt said the raises on the table “are very fair, very competitive in this environment.”

Union leaders say they are pleased with some provisions of the contract. During the two sides’ final bargaining session on Friday, for instance, Disney dropped a proposal to eliminate pensions for new hires and instead institute 401(k) retirement-investment accounts.

Disney is also dangling an extra sweetener in hopes of winning quick approval from workers: a $100 bonus for each employee should the contract be approved on the first vote.

Jason Garcia can be reached at jrgarcia@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5414.
 
And my dissatifaction with Unions increases.
 
I don't disagree with unions and what they stand for. Band together to make sure your company doesn't screw you. A 3% raise is adequate. There are people who get more and people who get less. Oh wait...there's people that don't get any and then there are those who don't have a job. My issue is with the complaint that they are giving different raises to different jobs. What's wrong with that? I want my monorail driver or bus driver well compensated compared to the street cleaner. Why? More responsibilities.
 

We have a saying at work.... Disney has the best union money can buy.
 
I don't disagree with unions and what they stand for. Band together to make sure your company doesn't screw you. A 3% raise is adequate. There are people who get more and people who get less. Oh wait...there's people that don't get any and then there are those who don't have a job. My issue is with the complaint that they are giving different raises to different jobs. What's wrong with that? I want my monorail driver or bus driver well compensated compared to the street cleaner. Why? More responsibilities.

I could not agree more. Currently people working outdoor foods make more money than Monorail Pilots, Photopass (non union) make $2 a hour starting more than Monorail Pilots and bus drivers start at almost $3 a hr more than a monorail pilot... Once upon a time it was a fairly easy job however now the requirements to pass platform and drive training are extremely high and many people do not make it.

The biggest problem is its a collection of unions that come together. For example there are thousands of housekeepers in a particular union and if their needs are met their vote can almost carry a overall contract vote and thats what Disney is banking on.
 
And my dissatifaction with Unions increases.

I was born and raised in "Union Country"...the rust belt and the industrial city at the heart of it...

And while my fabric tells me to support unions in all forms...i don't know if that is even worth it anymore.

that being said -its not just the unions that fail in WDW, but the state as a whole that does.

"Right to work" is the biggest fat cat getting richer, laborer getting crushed crock of #$^% that has ever been hatched on the United States.

And its no suprise that is was born and festers in the South - where poverty is relatively high and education is relatively low (that's the way it is...without venturing reasons as to why it is)

This isn't just a problem with Disney's unions - though they are by all indications incompetent and way to chummy with the suits - its a florida problem.

The fact is that WDW is a cash cow and that what once was a generally solid earnings/ benefit occupation is now perilously close to indentured servitude. there compensation has fallen to pathetic on the whole...really being only pushed measurable "higher" by increases in the federal minimum wage.

One has to think - as i will in several weeks - exactly what he/ she is doing by going there and dumping exhorbinant amounts of money in that place while knowing that i am contributing to the "cash cow" model.

And the tangible result to the customer is that the labor pool is shot - the standards are lower because they have to be, those that should be retained are lost, and the overal "quality" diminishes. And it limits development...because its been a struggle for years to staff what they already have - because it has to be done on the cheap.

But, I can't entirely blame it all on the monster...and i sure as heck can't say that i don't feed it.


That's my take


As far as what will happen with this "labor negotiation"...i think i'm not going out on a limb by saying that the end result of raises and bonuses will be much lower than what was quoted in this article. I have no doubts. It always works out that way
 
Any reason why Disney doesn't seperate the unions and negotiate seperately? Or why the unions don't seperate? I can't imagine a company that has multiple unions that has just one labor contract. I guess they've gotten away with it, so why now continue. I just don't get that...

I mean where we're located, schools have different unions. You have teacher's unions, custodial unions, and food prep. I can't even fathum one contract for all. That doesn't make sense...
 
Any reason why Disney doesn't seperate the unions and negotiate seperately? Or why the unions don't seperate? I can't imagine a company that has multiple unions that has just one labor contract. I guess they've gotten away with it, so why now continue. I just don't get that...

I mean where we're located, schools have different unions. You have teacher's unions, custodial unions, and food prep. I can't even fathum one contract for all. That doesn't make sense...

This is far more common than you know. Collective Bargaining puts more strain on a companny to give in to a Unions request, even if it's only one section getting more or all of them.

Do you think everyone in the UAW does the same job? They aren't all pressing fenders.
 
I could not agree more. Currently people working outdoor foods make more money than Monorail Pilots, Photopass (non union) make $2 a hour starting more than Monorail Pilots and bus drivers start at almost $3 a hr more than a monorail pilot... Once upon a time it was a fairly easy job however now the requirements to pass platform and drive training are extremely high and many people do not make it.

The biggest problem is its a collection of unions that come together. For example there are thousands of housekeepers in a particular union and if their needs are met their vote can almost carry a overall contract vote and thats what Disney is banking on.


WOW whoever would have predicted this one... It's the perfect case of Divide and conquer, you do enough to get one of the largest unions on your side and the others will slowly fold and accept whatever they are given or able to get.
 
This is far more common than you know. Collective Bargaining puts more strain on a companny to give in to a Unions request, even if it's only one section getting more or all of them.

Do you think everyone in the UAW does the same job? They aren't all pressing fenders.

No, but they're all under the same contract. One union under one contract. The question here is with multiple unions under the same contract. Two completely different scenarios.
 
No, but they're all under the same contract. One union under one contract. The question here is with multiple unions under the same contract. Two completely different scenarios.

Read the articles closley. It's not one set of contract terms over multiple sections of union employees. The terms vary depending on who the effect.

This allows the unions to leverage against the employer at once, and the employer to do only one negotiation.
 
Read the articles closley. It's not one set of contract terms over multiple sections of union employees. The terms vary depending on who the effect.

This allows the unions to leverage against the employer at once, and the employer to do only one negotiation.

Realistically speaking...they have nothing to leverage.

What are they going to do? call a general work stoppage?

The employees have almost nothing...pay goes to food and rent (now that they've walked away from their 110% financed houses)...they have no savings and are lucky if they are comfortable at all.

That is the problem...strikes work when the MIDDLE CLASS can employ them. When you have pennies...the loss of any pay is too much and the roadblock collapses before it is even finished.
 
That is the problem...strikes work when the MIDDLE CLASS can employ them. When you have pennies...the loss of any pay is too much and the roadblock collapses before it is even finished.

Well that is thier sacrifice for getting more in the future.

I can see your point, what do they do when they don't get a paycheck, but keep in mind who formed unions, they were not high paid. You don't find a hospital where the doctors are organizing but the laundry or cafeteria or janitorial sure. That's the nature of the beast. Those without form a union, those with didn't need a union.

Keep in mind how disney would work if they couldn't rent hotel rooms, or transport guests or feed guests. Could disney sacrifice one day of zero service and 50k very pissed off guests?

Walk offs are not nearly as common as the threat to walk off. The threat is a union's tool for negotiation.
 
Well that is thier sacrifice for getting more in the future.

I can see your point, what do they do when they don't get a paycheck, but keep in mind who formed unions, they were not high paid. You don't find a hospital where the doctors are organizing but the laundry or cafeteria or janitorial sure. That's the nature of the beast. Those without form a union, those with didn't need a union.

Keep in mind how disney would work if they couldn't rent hotel rooms, or transport guests or feed guests. Could disney sacrifice one day of zero service and 50k very pissed off guests?

Walk offs are not nearly as common as the threat to walk off. The threat is a union's tool for negotiation.

a lot of spinning of the hands of the clock since guilds and unions were formed...alot since they became a source of strength in the US as well.

The problem for a union is florida statute. The non-mandatory union kills one half of the equation and therefore kills any chance at succes.

Unions have to A. be able to threat stoppages to management B. have some means to keep their membership inline with the negotiating tactic.

Florida prohibits "B"...the take it or leave it union kills any collective bargaining strength.

Now...i don't want guys in masks and clubs enforcing the picket lines like the old style UMW and USW from my neck of the woods...but there has to be some structure to follow for a union to work.

That doesn't happen in WDW. never will
 
Unions = legalized extortion. No one is making anyone work at Disney (or any other place where there is a union). If you don't like the pay, the conditions, or any other compensation, don't work for them - pure and simple. It's a personal choice. You think you can do a better job of creating jobs, and compensating employees then start a business of your own, but stop extorting from companies who took the risk to start a business in the first place! If Disney doesn't provide sufficient benefits/compensation to keep sufficient staff to run their enterprise, the parks will shut down. Obviously, there is sufficient demand for their jobs, so they are obviously providing some perk that people like!
 
No one is making anyone work at Disney (or any other place where there is a union). If you don't like the pay, the conditions, or any other compensation, don't work for them - pure and simple. It's a personal choice.

So then what are the alternatives? What jobs are available in the Orlando area in sufficient quantities for unskilled or semi-skilled workers and which provide either significantly greater compensation than Disney and/or a superior work work environment? Certainly there are some such employment opportunities, and some cast members might take experience gained at Disney to land a better job, but many are probably unlikely to do substantially better elsewhere.

The fact that nobody is forced to work somewhere is no excuse for providing substandard compensation, benefits, or working conditions.

I'm not necessairily saying whether Disney or the unions are the one in the right here, just that reasonable standards of employment compensation should be applied.
 
So then what are the alternatives? What jobs are available in the Orlando area in sufficient quantities for unskilled or semi-skilled workers and which provide either significantly greater compensation than Disney and/or a superior work work environment? Certainly there are some such employment opportunities, and some cast members might take experience gained at Disney to land a better job, but many are probably unlikely to do substantially better elsewhere.

The fact that nobody is forced to work somewhere is no excuse for providing substandard compensation, benefits, or working conditions.

I'm not necessairily saying whether Disney or the unions are the one in the right here, just that reasonable standards of employment compensation should be applied.

you get it....
 


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