Disney rethinks links with Mel Gibson

[MJMcBride]

Maybe but I think it would be better that he was not anti-semitic, rather than he be anti-semitic and be open about it. He said he didn't care that Mel was anti-semitic just that he was not open about.

He defended himself about not being anti-semetic ad nasuem during the Passion release. Now we find out he is anti-semetic. I was merely commenting on the cover up and how dangerous that can be especially since he protrudes a "nice guy" image which has been permanently tarnished. So not only is he anti-semetic but he's also a fraud.

I know he's using the old "I was drunk" defense. But I don't believe that for one second. Nor do I believe he was trying to be funny based on what the reports indicate he said. I know drinking makes you do or say stupid things, but it does not make you a bigot.

As for Yoho, he apparently gets drunk and immediately gets on the DIS boards.

 

[carrie s]

Every one of us at some point in our lives have said something stupid that we didnt mean and regreted afterwards.Mel Gibson is human just like the rest of us.
He said he was sorry and was ashamed for what he said.He admitted to having an alcohol problem.
It is unfair to judge him based on his dad beliefs.

Tom Hanks offended many Christains with the movie de vinchi code.Do you see disney or anyone else saying that they should drop Tom for offending Christians,of coarse not,and the de vinchi code was a direct insult to the Chritain faith, where the passion wasnt made to offend jews.Why the double standard? Different actors have made comments ,while sober,that have offended me as a Christain,do you ever see those comments made into a big news story.

 

[MJMcBride]

Tom Hanks offended many Christains with the movie de vinchi code.Do you see disney or anyone else saying that they should drop Tom for offending Christians,of coarse not,and the de vinchi code was a direct insult to the Chritain faith, where the passion wasnt made to offend jews.Why the double standard? Different actors have made comments ,while sober,that have offended me as a Christain,do you ever see those comments made into a big news story.

So you're saying the Da Vinchi Code was made for the purpose of insulting Christian. I'm a Christian and I thought it was a great book (haven't seen the movie). I was not offended at all. Of course comparing Hanks and Gibson would only make sense if Hanks got drunk and said that Christians were the cause of all the world's problems.

Is it your position that the Da Vinchi Code is anti-Christian but Passion is not anti-semetic?

 

[carrie s]

So you're saying the Da Vinchi Code was made for the purpose of insulting Christian. I'm a Christian and I thought it was a great book (haven't seen the movie). I was not offended at all. Of course comparing Hanks and Gibson would only make sense if Hanks got drunk and said that Christians were the cause of all the world's problems.

Is it your position that the Da Vinchi Code is anti-Christian but Passion is not anti-semetic?

I dont feel that passions is anti-semetic.I have seen it.If someone thinks passion is anti-semetic they shouldnt be upset at Mel,they should be upset at the writers of the Bible.The movie shows what the Bible teaches,it wasnt anything that mel made up.Even if Mel is anti-semetic that has nothing to do with passions.

I cant say if the writer of the De Vinchi code wrote it to insult Christains or not.Most Christains I know are offended by the movie.I also go on a Christain message board and 99% of the people on that board were offended by the De Vinchi code.Some did read the book and see the movie because they didnt want to judge something they havent seen.The problem with the de vinchi code is even though it is ficton the writer is passing it as off based on fact.A survey showed 30 something % of people believe it is the truth and I read an article saying that the writer of the book is enoying that people feel that way. I dont want to get into a big De Vinchi code debate, my point is Mel made a movie about something from the Bible, he gets protested and called anti-semetic.someone makes a book and movie that offends Christians but thats considered ok.Someone even wrote a nasty letter in my local paper insulting Christains for being upset over the movie. And Tom did decide to make this movie knowing that the book upset many Christains.

As a Christain, how can you call a movie that tells a story about Jesus that comes right from the Bible anit-semetic but not call a book that tells lies about Jesus that the writer is trying to pass off as fact,blaspomey.

 

[Dina]

I understand the argument you are trying to make. But there's a huge difference between Tom Hanks making the DaVinci Code, and Mel Gibson saying that Jews are the cause of all of the wars in the world. We also know that Gibson's dad said something to the effect that the holocaust was mainly fiction. I'm Catholic and I really wasn't offended by the DaVinci Code-- but Mel's remarks are a big deal in my book. It makes me sad, because I've always loved him and his movies-- I really wonder what will happen with his career now.

 

[carrie s]

opps,double post

 

[carrie s]

I understand the argument you are trying to make. But there's a huge difference between Tom Hanks making the DaVinci Code, and Mel Gibson saying that Jews are the cause of all of the wars in the world. We also know that Gibson's dad said something to the effect that the holocaust was mainly fiction. I'm Catholic and I really wasn't offended by the DaVinci Code-- but Mel's remarks are a big deal in my book. It makes me sad, because I've always loved him and his movies-- I really wonder what will happen with his career now.

I wasnt comparing the de vinchi code and Mels comment,I was comparing the de vinchi code and the Passion of the Christ.
Tom did say that he knew that this movie would upset people but he didnt care.At least mel said sorry.Even after people were upset over passions he said sorry.Mel showed concern over offending people,Tom couldnt care less.
I cant say if mel is anti-semetic or not,none of us personally know him.The passion was not anti semetic so I dont think he should be called anti semetic because of the movie and I dont think he should be judged based on his dads beliefs.the comment he made was blaming the jews for all the wars in the world.I dont think theres anyway that he can actually believe thats true.I do believe the comment may of come from somewhere other then anti semetic feelings.

 

[MJMcBride]

As a Christain, how can you call a movie that tells a story about Jesus that comes right from the Bible anit-semetic but not call a book that tells lies about Jesus that the writer is trying to pass off as fact,blaspomey.

Well, I'm not going to get into a religious debate with you since this probably isn't the place. But we certainly don't know that the Da Vinchi Code is a lie. As for Passion, the jews (who did not follow Christ), were depicted as ugly and unkempt with bad teeth etc. The followers of Christ were depicted in such a way. And if I recall, some of the statements made by jews in the movie were inflammatory. I'm not judging this movie I'm just recalling what was said back then.

 

[MJMcBride]

.I dont think theres anyway that he can actually believe thats true.I do believe the comment may of come from somewhere other then anti semetic feelings.

I don't know how you can assume that. I think he can certainly feel that way and probably does. I don't know how there can be any doubt that he's anti-semetic.

 

[DancingBear]

As a Christain, how can you call a movie that tells a story about Jesus that comes right from the Bible anit-semetic but not call a book that tells lies about Jesus that the writer is trying to pass off as fact,blaspomey.

Not everything represented in the Passion "comes right from the Bible."

http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta...tions/resources/reviews/gibson_cunningham.htm

The Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction. Besides, making what Catholicism might consider a blasphemous statement is not a slur against Catholics.

 

[carrie s]

Not everything represented in the Passion "comes right from the Bible."

http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta...tions/resources/reviews/gibson_cunningham.htm

The Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction. Besides, making what Catholicism might consider a blasphemous statement is not a slur against Catholics.

If you read an earlier post of mine you would of seen that I said that he added things like demons to the movie. the basic story of the movie follows the bible.He added some demons and he added some stuff with Mary,like her having flashbacks of when Jesus was a kid and fell down and got hurt and her cleaning up his blood.He didnt add anything that changes the actual story.

Yes,it is a work of ficton,but the writer is trying to pass it as fact.

Its not only catholics that consider the de Vinchi code blasphemy.Im not catholic.The other Christains I know who are offended by the movie are not catholic.The book says things about our God that are untrue,it says Hes not divine,thats what blasphemy is.You cant argue that it is not blasphomey.

I didnt bring this up to have a religious debate or debate about the de vichi code,I just wanted to make a point.Mel offended people with the passion of the Christ.Well,Tom offended Christains with de vinchi code.It doesnt matter if you dont think that it shouldnt of offended Christains or if that wasnt the intent, the point is it did offend Christains and people dont see anything wrong with that,Tom couldnt care less,he made it knowing people would be offended.Mel makes a movie about Jesus and he still hasnt heard the end of it, and he said sorry for offending people.

If your offended by The Passion of the Christ, then dont watch it,just like people who are offended with the de vinchi code shouldnt watch that.People have the right to believe what they want to believe and they have a right to have movies and make movies that show their beliefs.

 

[carrie s]

I think were just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[DancingBear]

Its not only catholics that consider the de Vinchi code blasphemy.Im not catholic.The other Christains I know who are offended by the movie are not catholic.The book says things about our God that are untrue,it says Hes not divine,thats what blasphemy is.You cant argue that it is not blasphomey.

I'm NOT arguing that The Da Vinci Code is not blasphemy. I'm arguing that it's not a slur against Christians in the way that what Mel said is against Jews.

I didnt bring this up to have a religious debate or debate about the de vichi code,I just wanted to make a point.Mel offended people with the passion of the Christ.Well,Tom offended Christains with de vinchi code.It doesnt matter if you dont think that it shouldnt of offended Christains or if that wasnt the intent, the point is it did offend Christains and people dont see anything wrong with that,Tom couldnt care less,he made it knowing people would be offended.Mel makes a movie about Jesus and he still hasnt heard the end of it, and he said sorry for offending people.

The point is not whether The Da Vinci Code offended some people. Lots of things offend people, that doesn't mean that those people are being defamed.

If your offended by The Passion of the Christ, then dont watch it,just like people who are offended with the de vinchi code shouldnt watch that.People have the right to believe what they want to believe and they have a right to have movies and make movies that show their beliefs.

I'm not offended by The Passion. Nor did I ever argue that people shouldn't make movies that show their beliefs (and I CERTAINLY didn't argue that they don't have "right" to do so).

 

[carrie s]

again I will say,i was not comparing the de vinchi code against the comment that Mel made,I was comparing the de vinchi code with Passions of the Christ.

I wasnt saying that you were offended by passions,I was talking about people in general

 

[carrie s]

We all agree that what Mel said was wrong,I think we should just leave it at that.When debates go on for too long they can get unfriendly and peoples feelings can get hurt,so I think its better that we just end it here.I do respect all of your views and Im sorry if I hurt anyones feelings with mine. I look forward to posting with you on a more friendly thread.

 

[MJMcBride]

I think were just going to have to agree to disagree.

See, this I disagree with.

 

[LOLA2]

I wasnt comparing the de vinchi code and Mels comment,I was comparing the de vinchi code and the Passion of the Christ.
Tom did say that he knew that this movie would upset people but he didnt care.At least mel said sorry.Even after people were upset over passions he said sorry.Mel showed concern over offending people,Tom couldnt care less.
I cant say if mel is anti-semetic or not,none of us personally know him.The passion was not anti semetic so I dont think he should be called anti semetic because of the movie and I dont think he should be judged based on his dads beliefs.the comment he made was blaming the jews for all the wars in the world.I dont think theres anyway that he can actually believe thats true.I do believe the comment may of come from somewhere other then anti semetic feelings.

I agree with everything you are saying

 

[Fitswimmer]

I read this morning on the Fox News website that Disney is quietly shopping for a new distributor for Mel's movie. Fox says it's likely to be Lion's Gate, which has a history of picking up movies that other studios don't want to release.
I do think it's interesting that people in entertainment can say anything they want about Christians and nobody freaks out-but insult the Muslim or Jewish faith and everyone freaks out. According to the entertainment industry, all Christians are ignorant, intolerant fundamentalists who hate gay people so it's perfectly ok to portray them that way and make fun of their beliefs. I was disappointed with Tom Hanks and Ron Howard's approach to Christians about the DaVinci Code. They could have cared less that they were insulting people. I read the book, and probably will see the movie on Netflix, but I can appreciate how some would be insulted by them. I don't think it would have hurt their bottom line to make some statement that they understood how some might be offended and that it was their intent to make a thriller-not insult people.
I don't think that it's a bad thing that Mel's taking heat-but I do think that it's sad that ALL religions are not defended so vehemently.

 

[SoCalKDG]

Also, LOL to everyone who thinks Disney is making good money this year, If you think that, then Jerry and Johnny have a Bridge they wanna sell you.

What bridge did you have in mind?


"The Walt Disney Company has said its third-quarter profits ballooned by a stronger-than-expected 39 percent, primarily due to better performances from its film and theme park divisions. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060809/bs_afp/uscompanyearningsdisneyentertainment_060809144609

 

[!@#$%]

Its no more wrong to say a few bad words than it is to be out getting drunk in the first place. Isnt he married? Where was his wife during all this? He just got finished with The Passion, and although I disagree with some of its origins, it WAS a good movie, and did help a lot of people know who Jesus Christ was. Mels words were wrong, but the media is WARPED. THEY are the problem here. JMHO.