Disney movie plot holes/storylines thread

[Buzz Rules]

Disney movie plot holes/storylines thread. What things in Disney movies make you think “does this actually make sense?”. What would you change in a Disney movie to make it have more sense? What alternative scene would you add to the movie?

 

[dreamer17555]

I hate the idea of nitpicking movies to death. They are not documentaries. They all rely on some suspension of disbelief. I really think cinema sins is the worst thing to happen to media studies.

What’s more important in a story is the arc, character development, etc.

 

[fla4fun]

For me, it depends on the type of movie. As most Disney movies are fantasy/fairy tale based, you really just leave your rational brain at the door and go with it. Anything is possible in a Disney movie.

Now, if I am watching a biopic, or history based film, I have a much lower tolerance for plot holes which aren’t resolved at some point.

 

[Arym]

I can usually just rely on a suspension of disbelief but Little Mermaid gets to me. Why couldn't she write her name and story! Oh, well. I still love the movie.

 

[Buzz Rules]

For me, it depends on the type of movie. As most Disney movies are fantasy/fairy tale based, you really just leave your rational brain at the door and go with it. Anything is possible in a Disney movie.

Now, if I am watching a biopic, or history based film, I have a much lower tolerance for plot holes which aren’t resolved at some point.

 

[Buzz Rules]

I can usually just rely on a suspension of disbelief but Little Mermaid gets to me. Why couldn't she write her name and story! Oh, well. I still love the movie.

 

[BrianL]

I hate the idea of nitpicking movies to death. They are not documentaries. They all rely on some suspension of disbelief. I really think cinema sins is the worst thing to happen to media studies.

What’s more important in a story is the arc, character development, etc.

I agree. I dislike things like some of the videos posted above that are just tearing down the films. It's one thing to make legitimate critique of a work of art, but to play it for laughs is very dismissive. Most things people call "plot holes" aren't even plot holes, they are just things that they don't like. There's a little cottage industry on the Internet based around trashing movies, particularly popular ones, but it just comes off as smug or even bitter.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I hate the idea of nitpicking movies to death. They are not documentaries. They all rely on some suspension of disbelief. I really think cinema sins is the worst thing to happen to media studies.

What’s more important in a story is the arc, character development, etc.

I agree 100%. I hate when people find "plot holes" in Disney films in particular that aren't even plot holes to begin with. It's just needless nitpicking. Cinema Sins and websites like Buzzfeed do this a lot. The main ones I see are "Why do all the townsfolk in Beauty and the Beast forget that the castle/the Beast is there?" or "If the objects have been enchanted for 10 years, that means the Beast was 11 when he was turned into a beast!" These are minor nitpicks in a movie based on a fairy tale.........

I also hate how a lot of the soulless live action remakes try to "fix" these nitpicks that weren't even issues in the first place.

 

[BrianL]

I agree 100%. I hate when people find "plot holes" in Disney films in particular that aren't even plot holes to begin with. It's just needless nitpicking. Cinema Sins and websites like Buzzfeed do this a lot. The main ones I see are "Why do all the townsfolk in Beauty and the Beast forget that the castle/the Beast is there?" or "If the objects have been enchanted for 10 years, that means the Beast was 11 when he was turned into a beast!" These are minor nitpicks in a movie based on a fairy tale.........

I also hate how a lot of the soulless live action remakes try to "fix" these nitpicks that weren't even issues in the first place.

I also dislike how many people will spend time re-editing a movie they don't like into something more palatable to them. They insinuate - and generally accept as truth - that there is something "wrong" with the original version. This happens with Star Wars a lot, and the crazy thing is sometimes these people are talented filmmakers. Why spend all your time working on something you don't own, when you could create an original work that better suits your own taste and style?

 

[Buzz Rules]

I agree. I dislike things like some of the videos posted above that are just tearing down the films. It's one thing to make legitimate critique of a work of art, but to play it for laughs is very dismissive. Most things people call "plot holes" aren't even plot holes, they are just things that they don't like. There's a little cottage industry on the Internet based around trashing movies, particularly popular ones, but it just comes off as smug or even bitter.

I posted the videos to see if people on the thread would consider their points plot holes or not.

 

[Buzz Rules]

My point with the Little Mermaid is that in the remake, Disney claims they are fixing the plot holes.

 

[BrianL]

My point with the Little Mermaid is that in the remake, Disney claims they are fixing the plot holes.

Well, I don't think there is any need to correct any so-called plot holes - there really aren't any, or at least not any that matter. I'm sure this will be as good as most of tehir otehr live-action remakes, which is to say fine but nowhere near as good as the animated originals.*

*I will defer that opinion for the few that really deviate and do something original with the idea.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I also dislike how many people will spend time re-editing a movie they don't like into something more palatable to them. They insinuate - and generally accept as truth - there there is something "wrong" with the original version. This happens with Star Wars a lot, and the crazy thing is sometimes these people are talented filmmakers. Why spend all your time working on something you don't own, when you could create an original work that better suits your own taste and style?

That's the vibe I get from a lot of these live action remakes, Beauty and the Beast in particular. And yet not a single one of them are on remotely the same level of quality as the original films they're trying to "fix" (big examples being Aladdin and Lion King).

 

[Mysterian]

For me, it depends on the type of movie. As most Disney movies are fantasy/fairy tale based, you really just leave your rational brain at the door and go with it. Anything is possible in a Disney movie.

Now, if I am watching a biopic, or history based film, I have a much lower tolerance for plot holes which aren’t resolved at some point.

This. If there's something that disrupts the flow of the plot and removes the viewer from immersion, that's worthy of criticism. That's the ultimate rule: does it affect the viewer's experience? I don't really have these moments with many Disney/Pixar films.

Some will argue that the giant eagles in LOTR could have just dropped the ring into Mt. Doom from the get-go, but then you miss out on the whole journey, and the audience would never be invested in the ending.

But on the other end of the spectrum: Battlefield Earth is beyond repair. Fighter jets stashed away for thousands of years are somehow capable of working? That's hard to sell. It's an unintentionally fun movie to watch as a train wreck B-flick that you can't take seriously. Travolta thought this was a serious Sci-Fi film and Scientologist bigwigs were insistent that this film was going to be a box office success. Independence Day has issues but I think it's a much smoother experience and far more enjoyable, despite it's quirks.

 

[BrianL]

That's the vibe I get from a lot of these live action remakes, Beauty and the Beast in particular. And yet not a single one of them are on remotely the same level of quality as the original films they're trying to "fix" (big examples being Aladdin and Lion King).

Yep. They tried to add stuff to Beauty and the Beast, and it's fine I guess, but it doesn't really add anything necessary. The remakes are tough, especially when the original is a flat-out masterpeice like BatB! That movie is practically perfect, as is The Little Mermaid really. It's one thing to remake something with a more questionable reputation, but the Renaissance era stuff is pretty bullet-proof!

 

[Buzz Rules]

Well, I don't think there is any need to correct any so-called plot holes - there really aren't any, or at least not any that matter. I'm sure this will be as good as most of tehir otehr live-action remakes, which is to say fine but nowhere near as good as the animated originals.*

*I will defer that opinion for the few that really deviate and do something original with the idea.

I agree that most of the classics are better than the live action movies.

 

[BrianL]

This. If there's something that disrupts the flow of the plot and removes the viewer from immersion, that's worthy of criticism. That's the ultimate rule: does it affect the viewer's experience? I don't really have these moments with many Disney/Pixar films.

Some will argue that the giant eagles in LOTR could have just dropped the ring into Mt. Doom from the get-go, but then you miss out on the whole journey, and the audience would never be invested in the ending.

But on the other end of the spectrum: Battlefield Earth is beyond repair. Fighter jets stashed away for thousands of years are somehow capable of working? That's hard to sell. It's an unintentionally fun movie to watch as a train wreck B-flick that you can't take seriously. Travolta thought this was a serious Sci-Fi film and Scientologist bigwigs were insistent that this film was going to be a box office success. Independence Day has issues but I think it's a much smoother experience and far more enjoyable, despite it's quirks.

Sure, absolutley. When you diverge into messy B-Movies things are different - those actually DO have actual plot holes a lot of the time. That's a bit of a different animal. And yet still, many of those movies can be enjoyable if you don't nitpick them to death and just enjoy the ride. Not Battlefield Earth though, but, you know, other movies....

 

[BrianL]

I agree that most of the classics are better than the live action movies.

I am more apt to like the ones that are different, like Dumbo or even Alice in Wonderland for example. They are so wildly different, and hold up better then when they do the shot-for-shot remakes. Cruella was also great, but it is a wholly unique take on the story. Alice is technically a sequel anyway but is essentially considered part of that family.

 

[Smugpugmug]

Yep. They tried to add stuff to Beauty and the Beast, and it's fine I guess, but it doesn't really add anything necessary. The remakes are tough, especially when the original is a flat-out masterpeice like BatB! That movie is practically perfect, as is The Little Mermaid really. It's one thing to remake something with a more questionable reputation, but the Renaissance era stuff is pretty bullet-proof!

I wish Disney would stop trying to "fix" these movies that don't need to fixed at all and remake movies that have actual plot issues such as Black Cauldron, Treasure Planet and Atlantis. I would 100% be for a remake of any of these if they did something different and interesting with the source material. Instead we're getting Little Mermaid, Hercules and Lilo and Stitch /eyeroll

 

[BrianL]

I wish Disney would stop trying to "fix" these movies that don't need to fixed at all and remake movies that have actual plot issues such as Black Cauldron, Treasure Planet and Atlantis. I would 100% be for a remake of any of these if they did something different and interesting with the source material. Instead we're getting Little Mermaid, Hercules and Lilo and Stitch /eyeroll

I agree...well, except for Atlantis - that movie is EXCELLENT!