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I think they should have went the route of Nascar and just Branded with Sprint. That type of patnership seems to work better then a total upstart with all the mergers and so forth it's just to hard to discount things and services were higher then most other carriers.
 

Well, a partnership IS a deal, but I understand the distinction you are making about the nature of the Disney/Sprint deal vs. the nature of the NASCAR/Sprint deal.
 
1) Like other Disney ventures, they were more expensive than competitors.
2) They tried to make too much profit.
3) And the public saw through it.
4) As they are learning, just because you name it Disney, they will not come.
 
4) As they are learning, just because you name it Disney, they will not come.
Sadly, that is the lesson they are not really taking to heart. Why else would they even be considering Disney's Grand Polynesian Resort and Villas on Oahu?
 
Sadly, that is the lesson they are not really taking to heart. Why else would they even be considering Disney's Grand Polynesian Resort and Villas on Oahu?

I agree.
 
What are you talking about. Did I miss something. Is Disney or has Disney built in Hawaii or are you talking about the Polynesian resort at WDW.

Please give me more information as to what this is referring too.

TIa

Lucinda
 
What are you talking about. Did I miss something. Is Disney or has Disney built in Hawaii or are you talking about the Polynesian resort at WDW.

Please give me more information as to what this is referring too.

TIa

Lucinda

There is a rumor that Disney is looking to buy property in Oahu.
The rumor was posted on another forum but I do not think it has been been posted on DIS yet.

Off topic:

Question for Another Voice --Since you seem to have acess to a little info about this:

If Disney were to build a resort in Oahu do you think it will be a DVC or a hotel type resort?

TIA
 
Current Disney management considers its domestic theme parks a "mature" businesses - meaning that the cost of attracting new visitors is too high when compared to just maintaining the cost of the existing attendance levels. So the only place to grow the Attractions business unit is off-property. Throughout the years, Disney has come up with many plans for this - DisneyQuest being just the latest. We had Mickey's Kitchen, Disney Regional, and several other that never went past a single test facility.

The original announcement for DVC included many off-site properties including New York City, Colorado and others. DVC had already bought land and fully designed for a large development in Newport Beach, California (everything was sold to Marriott and they built essentially the same facility). But after huge shortfalls at Vero Beach and Hilton Head, Disney decided to concentrate at WDW. In fact, when I was last at WDW I was walking down the New York Street Backlot at the Disney/MGM Studios and they had a dress store display in one of the windows for DVC - including all the places they had planned to build.

Disney is trying again, this time more focused on resorts. Based on the company's announcements and various whispers and rumors floating about, Disney is aiming at two markets. The first is to build stand-alone resorts at existing tourist destinations - like Hawai'I or Texas. The idea is that families looking to travel to that destination will choose "Disney" because of the strength of the brand name. It's exactly the way in which Disney markets the Disney Cruise Line - "Disney" means "quality family entertainment". Disney can charge a premium for that. Disney hopes to draw families from the Sheratons, the Marriott’s, and the Four Seasons level of resort.

It's thought that these hotels, besides offering "family accommodations", will also include additional activities such as water parks, recreational facilities or other entertainment to compete with the existing ancillary activities already in the area. Not only will this make Disney more competitive as a resort, it will also keep Disney’s guests at the resort rather than heading out the local Wet ‘n Wild.

The second line would be more city focused and cater to families looking for a full on “Disney Experience” for a long weekend or such. The emphasis would be on character breakfasts, Mickey Mouse phones in the room, Disney-brand shopping and entertainment complexes. In fact, it’s possible that most of these hotels would include a “Downtown Disney” element to attract even more local business. The market is the flip side of the one desribed above – there people would go to see Washington D.C. and choose to stay at Disney’s Grand Virginia Resort; in the second case a family would decide to spend a weekend at “Disney” and go to Chicago.

Now it is possible that, just like Disney’s Grand Californian Hotel will have, that there may be a few DVC units included with this new breed of resort. Disney’s great fear has always been that DVC will grow tired of traveling to WDW year after year and would soon look at alternatives. Units at off-site properties would allow DVC members keep their wallets tied to Disney. It’s been hinted that these hotels will be clones of Disney’s “Grand” hotels – the Grand Floridian, the Grand California, the Disneyland Paris Hotel or the Hollywood Hotel from Hong Kong.

Now, don’t run out and make your reservations yet –and don’t buy property in Branson and expect to make a killing. Disney has had a very bad time expanding beyond Anaheim and Florida and it’s unlikely they will jump massively into this new idea. What I’ve written is just a compilation of rumors and conjectures…no mortal knows Disney’s real thinking or their real plans yet. Rumors are swirling that an announcement is due soon; my guess is we might (and I mean might) hear something around either earnings announcements or probably the stock holders meeting.
 
...... What I’ve written is just a compilation of rumors and conjectures…no mortal knows Disney’s real thinking or their real plans yet. Rumors are swirling that an announcement is due soon; my guess is we might (and I mean might) hear something around either earnings announcements or probably the stock holders meeting.

Thank you so much for your very well written review of the compilation of rumors and conjectures you read and /or heard about.

I would have to wholeheartedly agree that no mortal knows Disney’s real thinking or their real plans yet. Very likely most of the "Disney Suits" are not even sure yet.

You have given me a lot to think about and I think if Disney does approach a venture like this slowly and chooses the locations very carefully it just might have the kind of response that Disney is hoping for.

Edit to add: Then again who knows ? That is why I think they should do a test market with just 1 property first if they even follow through with the plan.
 
Traditionally, the Attractions unit has always been the most conservative and slowest moving of any Disney business unit. In the past, they've also moved very slowly in the very risky "off-property" ventures - there were only two Mickey's Kitchens ever opened, only one of the Playhouses (I forgot the actual name of the place located in Norwalk). Eisner really had to shove DisneyQuest into Chicago and Philly - only to have them back out of Philly once construction had begun.

The biggest risk is canibalization - there are a lot more people in Attractions interested in keeping attendance up in Anahiem and Orlando than there are pushing for new sources of revenues. That's also why Chicago is a favorite test ground - it's the furthest city from both resorts. If people can get a "Disney fix" in a nearby large city, or at a national park, will they cut back on going to Orlando. The same thing happened with the cruise lines, but the capacity of two ships are so tiny compared to WDW that it can't make a difference. A chain of 100+ properties...that's another story.

Yet at the same time a lot of people are pushing to go slow, you have a divisional President angling to become the next CEO of all of Disney. And for that he needs a giant business success. And giving away a million free churros isn't going to boost him up the corporate ladder as fast as he wants. He needs a big, splashy success (if only to offset his fulbs at Disney Studio Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland).

As you said, I don't think most of the suits know what's going to happen, and knowing Disney, the "final decision" will be overturned four or five times before we get an answer. At Disney the rule has always been that the first side to get a press release out "wins". Whatever happens, it will be interesting.
 
1) Like other Disney ventures, they were more expensive than competitors.
2) They tried to make too much profit.
3) And the public saw through it.
4) As they are learning, just because you name it Disney, they will not come.

That's just not true. For some DisneyMobile was less expensive. It depended on the need. As far as profits - sprint took theirs off the top. That bill had to be paid no matter what. Most of the public just discovered it and were still locked into contracts with other providers. So - maybe it's - because of the nature of the wireless business - they cannot (or could not) come.

Bats
 


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