Disney LGBT Princess.

[Disneyliscious]

I'm sure this has been discussed here before but I haven't been to the boards in a while. I was reading an article about all the Beauty and the Beast movie "gay scene" hooplah (which the actors are now backtracking on) and it referenced another article that said the producers of Moana said they would not rule out an LGBT Disney Princess.

Without getting into bashing or name calling, I was curious as to the thoughts of the masses on this one?

 

[MarieLightning]

It will surely come, some day.

They're taking baby steps, but steps nonetheless. They started with Freeform shows, with shows that are a bit more aimed at adult or teen audiences. Then they went ahead and took a tiny step by having a one time only appearance by a lesbian couple on Good Luck Charlie. Then there were the rumors (which are still rumors I guess since we haven't heard any confirmation since) of a gay character in Star Wars, and I mean, there's definitely some gay undertones in some Marvel movies, especially with the whole Deadpool/Spider Man thing. Just recently there was a same-sex kiss on a cartoon Disney Chanel (or Disney XD? not sure) show, and now the news of a gay secondary character on a big live action Disney production.

So yes, I do think it will eventually get there, that a Disney Animations Studio character could belong to the LGBT spectrum. And I think we are closer to it than we used to be - but Disney, as a company, has always been very, very cautious about its stance for anything LGBT. I believe they will keep on being that way for a little while longer still.

That being said, when it does happen, I hope it's not the focus point of the story. Like... being gay isn't a plotline, so hopefully they thread carefully with how they chose to portray it. But ultimately any representation is a step forward.

 

[Goofyyukyukyuk17]

I dont have as much of a problem with it as some people as long as it isn't the main point of the movie; however, I would prefer there be no LGBT princess simply because Disney has always been about princesses finding their Prince Charming, and I'm kind of traditionalist about Disney movies so...

 

[LILJAN59]

I'm not a big fan of LGBT princesses or same sex kissing in Dis Cartoons or movies. I like the traditional Disney cartoons and movies better and would not watch LGBT in any cartoon or movie. I don't think Walt would approve of it, remember Annette and bathing suit restrictions!

 

[Disneyliscious]

For me personally, I really don't care about having LGBT in their movies/shows as long as its a new creation. Changing an already established story/character just to appeal to a certain audience isn't the way it should be, imo. I have never understood why people do that in the first place.

I also would not want a LGBT Princess, so much so, that if it does happen I'll likely pass on my future Disney visits. I'm just really tired of the whole "everybody can be anything" PC'ness to be honest. Regarding the 'finding her Prince Charming' comment above....well, I guess it would be written that the Princess would still find her Prince Charming.

I'm trying to understand this whole thing. I really am. I just don't understand why sexualized info has to even be known. No one claims that Cinderella, Snow White, Jasmine, etc ISN'T already LGBT. Its assumed that they are not. Assumed. There are men who could cross-dress and play those characters in the parks and we'd never know. So why do we have to make it public? Why is it statement?

I bet some Princesses have already been LGBT and did a wonderful job at it - but no one cared because no one had to announce their sexuality/gender.

 

[Kirk]

Breaks my heart actually. I've been hyping this movie to my 3 grand kids for 6 months now. Now I'll pass. I don't feel it's my place to have this conversation with them.

 

[Mattimation]

It will surely come, some day.

They're taking baby steps, but steps nonetheless. They started with Freeform shows, with shows that are a bit more aimed at adult or teen audiences. Then they went ahead and took a tiny step by having a one time only appearance by a lesbian couple on Good Luck Charlie. Then there were the rumors (which are still rumors I guess since we haven't heard any confirmation since) of a gay character in Star Wars, and I mean, there's definitely some gay undertones in some Marvel movies, especially with the whole Deadpool/Spider Man thing. Just recently there was a same-sex kiss on a cartoon Disney Chanel (or Disney XD? not sure) show, and now the news of a gay secondary character on a big live action Disney production.

So yes, I do think it will eventually get there, that a Disney Animations Studio character could belong to the LGBT spectrum. And I think we are closer to it than we used to be - but Disney, as a company, has always been very, very cautious about its stance for anything LGBT. I believe they will keep on being that way for a little while longer still.

That being said, when it does happen, I hope it's not the focus point of the story. Like... being gay isn't a plotline, so hopefully they thread carefully with how they chose to portray it. But ultimately any representation is a step forward.

I agree, it's an inevitability. While, clearly, some fans would see the introduction of an LGBT character as reason to abandon Disney, the majority of audience goers (at least in the US) are supportive of gay rights and marriage equality, and that majority is only growing. I don't think it'll happen for a while, and I don't think Disney Animation will be the first Hollywood studio to feature a LGBT lead in a family film, but whenever it does there will be detractors. Just look at what happened with Princess and the Frog - some people were mad there was a black lead, some were mad there was an interracial love story, and some were mad that Tiana wasn't good enough representation for African Americans. People will be upset, no matter what, no matter when. That's just the way things go, everyone will never agree whole-heartedly on anything. no matter what those detractors say though, it'll be a great sign of how the world is growing to be open to all kinds of families.

 

[old lady]

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I dont have as much of a problem with it as some people as long as it isn't the main point of the movie; however, I would prefer there be no LGBT princess simply because Disney has always been about princesses finding their Prince Charming, and I'm kind of traditionalist about Disney movies so...

There are people who say whether they still be princesses or princes. I just prefer they make an original one instead of making previous straight character into one and I prefer LGBT villians than princesses or princes.

 

[tesmusic]

It will happen, and it should. Society has evolved.

That said, Disney will not put it out there blatantly, or in an inappropriate way.

For those that are against it, how do you explain a kissing scene between a man and a woman when a child cringes or says "ewww" as many children do, since at younger ages kids find kissing to be "gross" as my niece says?

I've seen many kids that I know think it's odd when people kiss, simply because at some ages, showing affection such as kissing seems odd. So how do you those of you that are against an LGBTQ character address that?

Can't just leave that alone and then attack the potential of supposed princess from a film that hasn't been made, or Lefou in Beauty and the Beast.

 

[LaidBackDad]

I'm sure this has been discussed here before but I haven't been to the boards in a while. I was reading an article about all the Beauty and the Beast movie "gay scene" hooplah (which the actors are now backtracking on) and it referenced another article that said the producers of Moana said they would not rule out an LGBT Disney Princess.

Without getting into bashing or name calling, I was curious as to the thoughts of the masses on this one?

Just so we don't get ahead of ourselves, what make you all so sure there isn't a LGBT princess already? I can't recall Disney ever specifically saying what the sexual orientation of any princess ever was. People are claiming that LaFoe was gay all along in the original movie and the now the live version is just re-interpreting his role and actually some people are even backing off their statements that it is even a gay scene at all. Princesses have kissed princes before but that doesn't mean anything unless we want to discriminate against the bi-sexuals in the LGBT community. Or, perhaps the princess was really a lesbian when she kissed a prince and we all just misinterpreted a platonic kiss as something more romantic.

I refuse to accept the bigoted stereotype that a LGBT princess must somehow look or act differently to be representative of the LGBT community. Unless you are suggesting Disney needs to make a pornographic film with full on girl on princess lesbian action, just so children can watch it, then I don't see the point of an LGBT princess. An LGBT princess would actually do more harm than good to young girls. I doubt we will ever see such a thing. Let's just let the characters live happily ever after without butting into their personal lives.

 

[Mattimation]

Just so we don't get ahead of ourselves, what make you all so sure there isn't a LGBT princess already? I can't recall Disney ever specifically saying what the sexual orientation of any princess ever was. People are claiming that LaFoe was gay all along in the original movie and the now the live version is just re-interpreting his role and actually some people are even backing off their statements that it is even a gay scene at all. Princesses have kissed princes before but that doesn't mean anything unless we want to discriminate against the bi-sexuals in the LGBT community. Or, perhaps the princess was really a lesbian when she kissed a prince and we all just misinterpreted a platonic kiss as something more romantic.

I refuse to accept the bigoted stereotype that a LGBT princess must somehow look or act differently to be representative of the LGBT community. Unless you are suggesting Disney needs to make a pornographic film with full on girl on princess lesbian action, just so children can watch it, then I don't see the point of an LGBT princess. An LGBT princess would actually do more harm than good to young girls. I doubt we will ever see such a thing. Let's just let the characters live happily ever after without butting into their personal lives.

I don't think anyone here is saying the Princess would need to be a stereotype, like a lady lumberjack, and have a sex scene with a woman - any of that would be incredibly inappropriate and absolutely harmful. Simply having a princess fall in love with a woman wouldn't be any more pornographic than any of the other Disney love stories though. LGBT rights and equality aren't about sex, it's about love, which is a common misconception or falsehood purposefully spread to foster fear in people who are uncomfortable talking about sex. And if two people being together is inappropriate in your eyes, how do you censor that in the real world? Do you take your child out of school if one of their classmates has two moms? Do you go home from vacation if you see another family with two dads? You could always not take your children to a movie about an LGBT person, but you can't hide them from life. LGBT people aren't a fantasy, and the majority of people in this country support us and our families. Seeing two people in love, whether its a man and woman or two men or two women, isn't going to hurt children; children being told that kind of love is wrong hurts children.

 

[JimmyBean42]

I'm open to all of it. As long as it has a good storyline, great drawing, and some catchy songs I'm in. You can make a movie with a LGBT prince / princess / villain / dinosaur / monster / animal / talking food item..... I don't care. But I need a good story line. Otherwise I might as well just watch the straight to video sequels of the mid to late 90s.

 

[LaidBackDad]

I don't think anyone here is saying the Princess would need to be a stereotype, like a lady lumberjack, and have a sex scene with a woman - any of that would be incredibly inappropriate and absolutely harmful. Simply having a princess fall in love with a woman wouldn't be any more pornographic than any of the other Disney love stories though. LGBT rights and equality aren't about sex, it's about love, which is a common misconception or falsehood purposefully spread to foster fear in people who are uncomfortable talking about sex. And if two people being together is inappropriate in your eyes, how do you censor that in the real world? Do you take your child out of school if one of their classmates has two moms? Do you go home from vacation if you see another family with two dads? You could always not take your children to a movie about an LGBT person, but you can't hide them from life. LGBT people aren't a fantasy, and the majority of people in this country support us and our families. Seeing two people in love, whether its a man and woman or two men or two women, isn't going to hurt children; children being told that kind of love is wrong hurts children.

I can only assume you quoted my post by mistake because none your points have anything to do with my post. I hope you are doing okay because your post seems quite hysterical and you elude to the the reality of the LGBT community but your post demonstrates no connection the world as it is today.

1) Every Disney movie I have ever seen is about love. Male characters have shown love to each other, female characters have shown love to each other, animals have shown love to each other, there has been every single type of non-traditional family I can think of showing love to each other. The only thing I haven't seen is any character ever having sex with each other. I'm not sure why you keep insisting children must see 2 characters of the same sex having sex with each other so there is equality in the world.

2) I have never seen another family with 2 dads or 2 moms; that is biologically impossible. I have seen lots of alternative families but; I really haven't the slightest idea what the sexual orientation was of anyone in the alternative family. If the alternative family is inappropriate or disrespectful then yes, I do change plans not be around them; if not, then I don't. Do you change schools or vacation plans if you are around a traditional family?

Imposing your beliefs on anyone else always hurts other people, especially children. You of all people should appreciate that.

 

[Mattimation]

I can only assume you quoted my post by mistake because none your points have anything to do with my post. I hope you are doing okay because your post seems quite hysterical and you elude to the the reality of the LGBT community but your post demonstrates no connection the world as it is today.

1) Every Disney movie I have ever seen is about love. Male characters have shown love to each other, female characters have shown love to each other, animals have shown love to each other, there has been every single type of non-traditional family I can think of showing love to each other. The only thing I haven't seen is any character ever having sex with each other. I'm not sure why you keep insisting children must see 2 characters of the same sex having sex with each other so there is equality in the world.

2) I have never seen another family with 2 dads or 2 moms; that is biologically impossible. I have seen lots of alternative families but; I really haven't the slightest idea what the sexual orientation was of anyone in the alternative family. If the alternative family is inappropriate or disrespectful then yes, I do change plans not be around them; if not, then I don't. Do you change schools or vacation plans if you are around a traditional family?

Imposing your beliefs on anyone else always hurts other people, especially children. You of all people should appreciate that.

Well, I was actually agreeing with you that sex in a Disney movie is inappropriate and should never be included, no matter who is involved. I'm not sure why you thought I was insisting on it, but I have to say I feel you're twisting my words in an attempt to prove your own point, which is your prerogative but it's also mine to point it out as wrong. Perhaps I was a bit discombobulated in my post, but I really do not see where your responses line up with what I said in mine. I think we actually have a lot in common here, we believe Disney is for families and should remain appropriate for families, but we clearly differ on other parts of the discussion and are not going to agree. That's just how the cookie crumbles, all we can do is be respectful - I'm trying to be respectful, and I apologize if I haven't been

 

[MetalMasterC]

I'm not a big fan of LGBT princesses or same sex kissing in Dis Cartoons or movies. I like the traditional Disney cartoons and movies better and would not watch LGBT in any cartoon or movie. I don't think Walt would approve of it, remember Annette and bathing suit restrictions!

I get that a lot of people think "traditionally" and all. That "tradition" is a social construct. You have to figure that events and circumstances are products of their time. Walt might not have approved back then when he was alive, but that was many decades ago when this wasn't something on the forefront. There were many "restrictions" on how one is supposed to live, act, gender roles, etc. We know more now than we did then. We're exposed to many things now that society has always turned a blind eye to or never fully understood. We're also much more educated on what is different that what older generations have been taught. Our diversity has made us stronger.

With that being said, the more recent trend in Disney movies seem to focus less on romance and more on the adventure or the personalities of the characters at hand. I don't care if a character is LGBT if it has nothing to do with the story at hand. I fee the best example of having LGBT representation and doing it right is Mitch Downe from ParaNorman. Only one mention, and it was casual and simple. Nothing thrown in anyone's face. Not the main focus of the character. It's just a simple fact that you now know about him.

 

[L&Lfan]

I think Merida was a lesbian. I'm not into lesbians, but I'd LOVE to see a gay prince find love.

 

[Stephiehun]

2) I have never seen another family with 2 dads or 2 moms; that is biologically impossible. I have seen lots of alternative families but; I really haven't the slightest idea what the sexual orientation was of anyone in the alternative family. If the alternative family is inappropriate or disrespectful then yes, I do change plans not be around them; if not, then I don't. Do you change schools or vacation plans if you are around a traditional family?
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Why do you get to decide what family is? Are you implying that only LGBT people are inappropriate? What do you mean when you say inappropriate?

Biology doesn't make a family. Your comments are offensive to loving and caring families that are led by 2 men or 2 women.

 

[Stephiehun]

LGBT people exist and should be represented in media. Their children deserve to not feel like they are "alternative" or that there is something wrong with them and their parents.

 

[Stephiehun]

Breaks my heart actually. I've been hyping this movie to my 3 grand kids for 6 months now. Now I'll pass. I don't feel it's my place to have this conversation with them.

So you were cool with the emprisonment and Stockholm Syndrome and bestiality, but gay men existing is a bridge too far?

 

[ravenclawtrekkie]

Considering that we didn't get a black Disney Princess until 2009, despite all the multicultural princesses of the 90s, I'm not holding my breath on a gay one. Would I like to see it happen? Sure, but I'd also love more princess movies without love interests of any gender. I'm tired of stories that tell kids they need to fall in love to be happy.

The idea that there's something more "inappropriate" about same-sex romance than there is about opposite-sex romance is ludicrous, as is the idea that same-sex relationships are more inherently sexual than opposite-sex ones. Tradition is an awful excuse that's been used to justify all sorts of things in the past and should be abandoned as a concept in this context.

All of that said, I believe that this nonsense about BATB is blown way out of proportion. I have no idea why anyone even felt the need to bring it up. I am literally 100% sure the scene everyone is talking about will turn out to be nothing notable.