Disney increases prices by 18% at table service restaurants

MrDisney. I go for the food, and the attractions too! But, I have yet to be able to go to any of the wonderful places you, and Mr K man do. Maybe one day in my dreams.

Just to let you know. I was a chef, for several years. So, I am aware of how the servers must tip. I am not being snooty. I am just pointing out, that Disney servers. Are not poor servers, most people perceive them to be.

On a side note MrDisney. Since, I will be down in September, for the F&W. What is the best F&W festival event you have attended? Is the party for the senses the one where you can sample foods, and wine?
 
faindrops27 said:
MrDisney. I go for the food, and the attractions too! But, I have yet to be able to go to any of the wonderful places you, and Mr K man do. Maybe one day in my dreams.

Trust me....the "stories" that you hear here....are it....ALL of our "other" travel is as a result of my work....I am a Contract Sales Manager, so my "job" affords us the opportunity to travel several times a year.

With regards to Disney, this is our ONLY vacation destination and we typically only got for a few days at a time. When we're in the "world" for "extended" periods of times, as in the spring / easter season, it is yet again a "work" related trip.
faindrops27 said:
On a side note MrDisney. Since, I will be down in September, for the F&W. What is the best F&W festival event you have attended? Is the party for the senses the one where you can sample foods, and wine?

We went to Party for the Senses once. It was a lot of fun, exposed us to a variety of Chefs from around the Country and gave us an INCREDIBLE signature photo!

Having said that? We LOVE the free events such as the Vanilla Semminars, etc. and just "walking" around Epcot.....

Party for the Senses is a wonderful time.....but also pricey....we've had much better experiences in some of our favorite restaurants in the "World" than at PftS for the money.
 
Good points well made everyone.

What I keep coming back to and what makes me most uncomfortable is the whole 'tipping' system. Some people seem to enjoy it in that they can display their 'largesse' towards their server and perhaps thereby display their superiorty - I don't know? I just think that we would get a more professional service if the staff were paid a 'proper' wage by their employers.

Also it makes me very uncomfortable when the server is obviously trying very hard to earn their tip - either by being obsequiously friendly or popping up every 5 minutes to ask if 'everything is OK sir?' When I'm out for a meal I prefer the order to be taken and food presented in a timely manner by someone who knows what they are doing and acts in a pleasant professional manner.
 
The tipping sysyem in this country has been in place for many years. Seems to me there must be a reason for that.
Think for a minute if server wages were quadrupled so they would earn a fair wage. And it would need to be fairly high, I think. No one in their right mind would want to wait on a table of 8 (consisting of the "general public" )
for $10.00 an hour and no chance of a tip.
Now think of the menu price increase that would follow. The $15.00 hamburger, perhaps? The $50.00 NY strip??
From the restaurant point of view--they would have to pay the servers $12.00 an hour (an arbitrary figure certainly) no matter if server were waiting on 4 tables or just one. As it stands now, they pay $3.00 an hour and the server who is stuck with those 4 tables at least gets to earn tips. And the restaurant dosen't have to pay the server with just one table a high wage.
Don't expect the system to change anytime soon.
And though servers may not be poor, and they CAN earn a nice wage, there is a high turnover in servers at almost all the restaurants we frequent. Many have no health benefits or other employee "perks". Many aren't allowed to work more than several days a week. And waiting on the "general public" can easily wear you down over time.
 

Good points well made everyone.

What I keep coming back to and what makes me most uncomfortable is the whole 'tipping' system. Some people seem to enjoy it in that they can display their 'largesse' towards their server and perhaps thereby display their superiorty - I don't know? I just think that we would get a more professional service if the staff were paid a 'proper' wage by their employers.

Also it makes me very uncomfortable when the server is obviously trying very hard to earn their tip - either by being obsequiously friendly or popping up every 5 minutes to ask if 'everything is OK sir?' When I'm out for a meal I prefer the order to be taken and food presented in a timely manner by someone who knows what they are doing and acts in a pleasant professional manner.

It has nothing to do with "showing their largesse". I find that a little offensive. It's simply a payment for a job well - or not so well - done.

If you don't want your server to come back and check on you then simply say it to him/her when you get seated. Personally, I like friendly servers. Especially in WDW... but that's just me. Just because a server is friendly doesn't mean he's unprofessional.

By the way, I'm French. Tipping isn't customary here either. Do a bit of research when you visit a foreign country and if you don't agree with some of their customs, find alternatives. I doubt you didn't know a thing about tipping when you bought your DDE card.

As far as paying the server's wages for the restaurant, you'd be paying them anyway. When's the last time you got a $10 (£5) breakfast at a sit down place in Europe ? That wouldn't pay for a cup of coffee and a croissant here.
If the tipping situation was to change in the US, restaurant owners would just raise their prices to cover the servers' salaries. In the end you're paying the same.

As others have pointed out you'd be paying the 18% tip anyway since you are a party of 10. You're still getting a 20% discount on your meal with your DDE card, and with a party of that size, the card will pay for itself after a meal or two. If that's not good enough, well, the DDE card can be used at the Values food courts and at Animal Kingdom's counter services. No tips there.
 
I've never worked as a waiter (or at a Disney restaurant). But about 20 years ago I spent some time as a cook and a bartender at numerous restaurants. In both positions, the waiters would tip us out at the end of the night (giving us a cut of their tips). It was just an unwritten rule to ensure that their drinks and food were prepared well and quickly, and that any problems were dealt with immediately. So I wouldn't assume that the Disney waitstaff ends up pocketing 100% of their tips.
 
Hi Marina

We had a large buffet breakfast in a London hotel last week for £6.50 and tips were obviously not expected - I know London is a bit cheaper than France at the moment though with the Euro situation.

Sorry if I offended with my comments - but reading peoples comments i.e. 'we always leave at least 20%' and then the next person 'we leave 25%' it sometimes seems that people are competing to leave the biggest tip. The fact that the gratuity is now automatic makes me think - well am I expected to leave a tip over and above that - will the server be offended if I don't. What if the service is terrible - how embarrased will I feel having to ask to see the manager?

As I said my daughter works at an international venue where people go to eat and enjoy a sporting occasion - the cost isn't prohibitive and customers are not allowed to tip the wait staff - if it works there why can't it work elsewhere? And I think it would be better for customers and staff alike.

And yes as I've said we always leave the appropriate tip - but in our case it usually amounts to the cost of 2 extra meals which mounts up over the course of a holiday - we certainly can't afford to eat at table service every day. We are lucky enough to have a comfortable standard of living but because we have a large family (our fault I know but I don't think Disney put a limit on family size when he thought about his family park) we pay a much larger net amount per family in tips than smaller families do.
 
Hi Marina

We had a large buffet breakfast in a London hotel last week for £6.50 and tips were obviously not expected - I know London is a bit cheaper than France at the moment though with the Euro situation.

Sorry if I offended with my comments - but reading peoples comments i.e. 'we always leave at least 20%' and then the next person 'we leave 25%' it sometimes seems that people are competing to leave the biggest tip. The fact that the gratuity is now automatic makes me think - well am I expected to leave a tip over and above that - will the server be offended if I don't. What if the service is terrible - how embarrased will I feel having to ask to see the manager?

As I said my daughter works at an international venue where people go to eat and enjoy a sporting occasion - the cost isn't prohibitive and customers are not allowed to tip the wait staff - if it works there why can't it work elsewhere? And I think it would be better for customers and staff alike.

£6.50 is $12.80, if you were to pay a $10 breakfast + a 20% tip in the US that'd make your bill $12. See what I mean ? In the end it's the same. :)

I don't know why tipping is that way in the States. As a foreigner it's hard for me to understand why the guy who brings you a $10 burger gets paid $2 and the guy who brings you a $35 steak gets paid $7. They both carried one plate. I don't get it. But then again I don't get why children aren't allowed in many pubs in the UK. Or why I make more money as a cashier at the gas station than I am working as a school secretary. Go figure that one out. :confused3
Some things don't make a whole lot of sense but they've been working that way for years & years and it's not going to change.

Personally, once the "tip" is made mandatory it becomes a service charge. Disney set the mandatory service charge at 18%, and that's what I'll leave unless our server really goes the extra mile.
I agree with you that it could be embarassing to have to talk to a manager if the service is truly awful. Frankly, I don't know what I would do in that situation either.
 
Well - not strictly - but that's what in effect Disney have done by adding the service charge to DDE bookings. How would the general public react if they did actually increase their prices by 18%. I don't mind leaving a tip but I prefer it to be voluntary rather than compulsary.

Sorry but I didn't read the whole thread but for myself, I just SAVED 2% on tips. ;) I use to pay whatever the original bill would have been before the 20% discount, saving me from doing any math.

It was more like a get out of paying additional $$ for tips rather than a 20% discount in my mind. So now, I will actually get to pay LESS than what my original bill total will be.
 
As someone who has worked at all levels of restaurants, I can absolutely assert that there is no comparison between the guy carrying your $10 sandwich and the guy carrying your $50 Porterhouse. I worked at Applebee's years ago, and I could serve 8 tables at once with little trouble.

Where I work now, a table of 2 usually ends up spending about $180. If I get more than 3 tables, I consider myself uncomfortably busy. There is just too much to be done. There are several 'courses', and the entire table must be cleared/crumbed/rectified after each course. If a guest gets up to use the restroom, we lead them there in person, and then race back to carefully fold their napkin while they are gone. We are almost always a few feet away from the table. We hang their coats for them, we push in their chairs for them, we bring their valet tickets out, and hold an umbrella over their head on the way to the car if it is raining. We go through the requisite elaborate wine-bottle opening ritual so that they feel good about their $300 wine purchase.

At crApplebees, I could show up half asleep and do my job just fine.

As a side note, we never add gratuity to a table, no matter the party size, but this policy has really burned some servers in the past. We are near several large hotels and often serve guests from overseas. If you are given a party of 10 from the U.K. or Scandinavia, all the other servers immediately pity you. Basically, it COSTS the server money to wait on these folks. We have to tip our bussers/bartenders/backwaiters based on sales, a typical and fair practice in many restaurants.

So...let's say a 10-top comes in, spends about $1000, and leaves $50 for a tip. This is VERY common from foreign guests. Now, that server owes about $15 to the bartender, $18 to his busser, and $25 to the backwaiter for that table. He received $50 in tips, but his tipout to others is $58. He has worked 2 hours on this table and lost $8 for it.

In addition, the IRS ASSUMES that he has brought home at LEAST $80 based on his sales, and taxes him on that amount.

The sad thing is that, often, folks from these countries are the most courteous of any of our guests, and will tell you what wonderful service they received as they leave the restaurant, which makes it harder to be mad at them.

As a server, I watch other servers very closely, and I must say that almost all of our disney servers did an excellent job. There was one, at Liberty Tree Tavern, who was obviously very busy. The problem is that she kept TELLING us that she was so busy. I expect that at the Prime Time Cafe, where it's part of the act, but otherwise, it's very unprofessional. That is nitpicking though, and it didn't affect her gratuity.

I'll also mention that, at every level of service, lousy servers don't last long. It only takes a few complaints for someone to be shown the door, and Disney is known for their customer service, so I would imagine they are even more strict about such things.

If you ever have bad service, it is important that you tell the manager. If you have had gratuity added, tell the manager while you are still there. If not, then by all means leave a lousy tip, as you should, and notify the manager via email later on. Email is great because you can write it all down and not lose your cool over the phone.
 
As someone who has worked at all levels of restaurants, I can absolutely assert that there is no comparison between the guy carrying your $10 sandwich and the guy carrying your $50 Porterhouse. I worked at Applebee's years ago, and I could serve 8 tables at once with little trouble.

Where I work now, a table of 2 usually ends up spending about $180. If I get more than 3 tables, I consider myself uncomfortably busy. There is just too much to be done. There are several 'courses', and the entire table must be cleared/crumbed/rectified after each course. If a guest gets up to use the restroom, we lead them there in person, and then race back to carefully fold their napkin while they are gone. We are almost always a few feet away from the table. We hang their coats for them, we push in their chairs for them, we bring their valet tickets out, and hold an umbrella over their head on the way to the car if it is raining. We go through the requisite elaborate wine-bottle opening ritual so that they feel good about their $300 wine purchase.

At crApplebees, I could show up half asleep and do my job just fine.

As a side note, we never add gratuity to a table, no matter the party size, but this policy has really burned some servers in the past. We are near several large hotels and often serve guests from overseas. If you are given a party of 10 from the U.K. or Scandinavia, all the other servers immediately pity you. Basically, it COSTS the server money to wait on these folks. We have to tip our bussers/bartenders/backwaiters based on sales, a typical and fair practice in many restaurants.

So...let's say a 10-top comes in, spends about $1000, and leaves $50 for a tip. This is VERY common from foreign guests. Now, that server owes about $15 to the bartender, $18 to his busser, and $25 to the backwaiter for that table. He received $50 in tips, but his tipout to others is $58. He has worked 2 hours on this table and lost $8 for it.

In addition, the IRS ASSUMES that he has brought home at LEAST $80 based on his sales, and taxes him on that amount.

The sad thing is that, often, folks from these countries are the most courteous of any of our guests, and will tell you what wonderful service they received as they leave the restaurant, which makes it harder to be mad at them.

As a server, I watch other servers very closely, and I must say that almost all of our disney servers did an excellent job. There was one, at Liberty Tree Tavern, who was obviously very busy. The problem is that she kept TELLING us that she was so busy. I expect that at the Prime Time Cafe, where it's part of the act, but otherwise, it's very unprofessional. That is nitpicking though, and it didn't affect her gratuity.

I'll also mention that, at every level of service, lousy servers don't last long. It only takes a few complaints for someone to be shown the door, and Disney is known for their customer service, so I would imagine they are even more strict about such things.

If you ever have bad service, it is important that you tell the manager. If you have had gratuity added, tell the manager while you are still there. If not, then by all means leave a lousy tip, as you should, and notify the manager via email later on. Email is great because you can write it all down and not lose your cool over the phone.

Very well said, Grumpy Pajamas!! :goodvibes
 
I take on board and agree that the system as it is now means that people have to leave a tip.

However I think this newspaper article

When tipping first caught on in the U.S., late in the 19th century, it was the old-world, aristocratic overtones of the practice that drew the most ire. An 1897 editorial in the New York Times declared tipping to be the “vilest of imported vices.” The paper lamented not only that “we have men among us servile enough to accept their earnings in this form” but that others were willing “to reward the servility.” Joining the chorus against “flunkyism,” the Washington Post denounced tipping as “one of the most insidious and one of the most malignant evils” of modern life. Tipping was seen to foster a lord-and-vassal relationship that the prouder professions resisted. Well into the 1910s many bartenders refused gratuities as an insult to their status.

rather sums up how I feel about it and why I'm uncomfortable with it - not because I'm stingy but because I feel it's so out dated and unfair (not to mention confusing, embarrassing, condescending etc)

The article goes on to say

It’s not that we tip waiters because they are paid so little; they are paid so little because they can expect to make up the difference in tips. Starbucks is known for paying relatively well and providing respectable benefits. Yet, without the tip-jar take, the company would have to raise its wages commensurately to maintain the same caliber of employees. Perhaps prices would rise too, but I suspect many would be happy to have the full, unambiguous cost of the transaction up on the board. As things stand, the tip jar subsidizes the company’s payroll costs. So when you toss a dollar into the cup, you’re really making a donation to Starbucks — and I can think of needier beneficiaries.


Doesn't anyone thing that it would be better all round if tipping was stopped and servers got a professional wage EVEN if this meant prices would increase - although I doubt they would have to rise 18%
 
Human nature being what it is, I doubt too many servers would be encouraged to be friendly, work hard, or be overly attentive if they absolutely knew that none of that would result in a tip. Many would do as little as they could just to keep from getting fired...going through the motions. And I think servers would grow to resent each other if they saw server "A" (who was a slacker) getting the exact same salary as server "B" who did a good job.
It would end up as the same sort of service as we see now in most "customer service" type jobs--which is to say, none at all.

Take a look at all the posts we see on this board where folks complain of poor service due to the tip being "automatic". Same scenario I think if the salary were automatic and there was no tip.
My opinion, of course.
 


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