Disney forbidding dist of film

GoofyB

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The NYT had an article stating that Disney is forbidding its Miramax division to distribute a Michael Moore film that is critical of Bush, for fear it might alientate many of Disney's core audience. I for one think I'm grown up enough to view it and make up my own mind. I spend countless dollars at WDW and just bought DVC membership; this makes me so angry. How dare they start censoring things in this way.

Does anyone now how to contact the Corp headquarters? I couldn't find anything of any use on the disney.com website.
 
Just out of curiosity, is there a subject matter that you would be offended if Disney released thru any of its entities ?
 
Originally posted by GoofyB
I spend countless dollars at WDW and just bought DVC membership; this makes me so angry. How dare they start censoring things in this way.
How dare they? Its their company and their money would be spent to distrubute the film. They have the absolute right to determine what gets distrbuted by their company. To say otherwise would be to say that Micheal Moore has the right to force them to distribute something they don't want to distibute.

This is one of the few choces Eisner has made that I totally agree with. Disney has no business getting involved in politaclly contraversial films. Its could really hurt their core market. The film will still find its way into theaters, just not by a company closely assoicated with Disney (though why anyone cares about what Micheal Moore has to say is beyond me).
 
Disney should have never gotten involved in this thing in the first place...

Thank goodness they came to their senses. I think from now on, Disney shouldn't finance any film that they wouldn't be embarassed to stick a little tag on every plush and evey park ticket saying "Your purchase helped finance this film"

Heck, Michael Moore would probably even support that... he hates big business and probably thinks buying Air Jordan's is evil because Nike pays people too little in the third world, and we're supporting it... so now when I pick up a Mickey Mouse toy, I'm supporting Michael Moore. I almost had to boycott Disney, along with Ketchup! (J/k about the ketchup thing!) To be honest I probably wouldn't have boycotted Disney, either...
 

Sometimes films need to be subdued a bit in the world.

Anyone remember Natural Born Killers? The original writer (Tarantino) distanced himself from it, the various companies all did a runner after taking one look at it.... awful, nasty, pointlessly violent film.



Rich::
 
Disney has made the right decision now, but never should have let them get to this situation in the first place.
And its funny to here a multi-millionaire like moore cry foul!!!! If he truely believed in his project why didnt he use his on money to pay for his propaganda film???? Mel Gibson put his momey where his beliefs are and he is being rewarded greatly for creating a real work of art for the ages!!! But of course in hollywood the stars rarely have the guts/vision to use there own money to create something.
 
As much as I dislike Bush, I also think Disney made the right decision. They need to stay out of politics totally. That said, their refusal to distribute the film will in the end do nothing but help. Look what happened with Howard Stern. The controversy with Clear Channel resulted in a 22% ratings increase for him. Same with "The Passion" movie. Without all the controversy surrounding it, I doubt it would have hit or stayed at number one as long as it did.
 
This is not a case of censorship. Censorship says "You cannot watch this film". This is "Disney will not promote this film". There is a huge difference. The film will be released. Disney has simply chosen not to invest money in a fashion that they deem to be against their companies best interests. Sure, the film will probably make money. But, it would hurt Disney's reputation in the long run.

Kudos to Disney. I, myself, am glad that more companies are taking the stance of Corporate Responsibility.

Just because someone wants to say something doesn't mean I have to hand him a microphone!
 
I personally think its a publicity stunt. Michael Moore lives for controversy. :mad:
 
Originally posted by GoofyB
I spend countless dollars at WDW and just bought DVC membership; this makes me so angry. How dare they start censoring things in this way.
They're not censoring anything. No one at Disney is saying the film can't be shown. They're simply saying that no Disney company will distribute it. They don't care if it's distributed by Warner or Paramount or DreamWorks or whoever. They simply choose to not have Disney distribute it.

If they were going to censor it, they'd take the print and not allow it to be shown.

:earsboy:
 
I would agree that there is no censorship here at all. Governments can and do censor but this is a business making the best decison for there sharholders.
As for the Passion of the Christ, while the publicity by the anti-christian group's did help get the movie press it was the quality of a great production/movie that caused the film to be in the top ten of all time grossing american films of all time. The alamo also got alot of press but that didnt help did it???
As for moore-


Wednesday, May 05, 2004
Lies And Moore Lies [Updated]
Is bloviator Michael Moore making up stuff again?

Sure looks like it.

Just days from the opening of the Cannes Film Festival he’s basking in a wave of publicity that the Walt Disney Company is blocking subsidiary Miramax from distributing his new documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11” on political grounds.

Publicity-hound Moore’s allegations about Disney ring false. The very same Disney Company -- through its Hyperion division-- just published Pacifica Radio host Amy Goodman’s new book “The Exception to the Rulers” – a volume brimming with just as much lefty fringe politics and anti-Bush theorizing as contained in Moore’s films. Indeed, Goodman's book is a blunder-buss assualt on corporate media conglomerates-- like Disney!

The Mouse House seems sophsiticated enough to put up with and even finance the slapshots by Goodman and Moore if a profit is to be made. Duh!

Dissecting the current dust-up, it seems clear that Disney never intended to distribute Moore's film. Maybe the Mousketeers are cowards, but at least they are consistent. And Moore is whining now only to hype the pre-Cannes buzz. Sources report that Miramax never planned to release the Moore film, that it was always slated to come out through Lions Gate, as did the earlier Dogma.

Below find an exclusive full text copy of the article by Andrew Gumbel which will appear in Thursday's London-based daily The Independent which quotes inside sources saying there is nothing new in Disney's red light, that Moore knew it was a no-go from the outset. After you've read Andrew's piece take a look at this L.A. Weekly column I wrote in March describing Moore as the Ann Coulter of the left.

By Andrew Gumbel
Los Angeles

Michael Moore, the establishment-bashing comedian and film-maker, accused the Walt Disney Company of political censorship yesterday because the company is refusing to distribute his latest documentary lambasting the Bush administration’s handling of national security since 11 September.

Controversy over the film, entitled Fahrenheit 911, erupted on the front page of the New York Times and elsewhere just days before Mr Moore is due to take the film to the Cannes Film Festival for its world premiere.

In an open letter to supporters, Mr Moore accused Disney of trying to kill the film, which is being produced by the Disney subsidiary Miramax, because the company was worried about its business interests in Florida and did not want to offend Governor Jeb Bush, the president’s brother.

“I would have hoped by now that I would be able to put my work out to the public without having to experience the profound censorship obstacles I often seem to encounter,” he wrote. “For nearly a year, this struggle has been a lesson in just how difficult it is in this country to create a piece of art that might upset those in charge.”

Disney officials appeared to be caught off guard by this onslaught and denied that the company’s decision was motivated by political interests in Florida. They also pointed out they had made it clear a year ago that they wanted no involvement with Fahrenheit 911, which was picked up by Miramax against the wishes of its corporate parent. [My emphasis -ed.]

Both the New York Times and Variety, the entertainment industry trade paper of record, suggested the flap over Mr Moore’s film could drive a further wedge between Michael Eisner, the Disney chairman, and the Weinstein brothers who run Miramax. The Weinsteins and Mr Eisner have been at loggerheads for some time, and speculation is rife in Hollywood that Miramax may prefer to find a new corporate sponsor when its contract with Disney comes up for renewal later this year.

In other quarters, the fortuitous timing of the controversy caused some people to wonder whether Mr Moore is really the victim of an attempted corporate muzzling, or whether he is deliberately creating a controversy where little or none exists to generate publicity and trigger a bidding war for the US distribution rights to the film, which have yet to be settled. “This seems almost too good to be true. I smell a rat,” said one well-placed Hollywood source with strong connections to both Disney and Miramax.

Miramax spokesman Matthew Hiltzik remained tight-lipped, saying only: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."

Whatever the true story, the grizzled documentary-maker has once again put himself front and centre of a political row likely to inflame partisan passions on all sides. In 2001, he fought with his publishers, Harper Collins, over the publication of his anti-Bush book Stupid White Men, which Harper Collins felt was politically insensitive in the immediate wake of 11 September. The book was delayed but eventually released in its original form, becoming an overnight bestseller.

Last year, Mr Moore cried censorship again after his unabashedly political speech at the Oscars – he called Mr Bush a “fictitious” president who had just started the Iraq invasion for “fictitious reasons” -- was greeted with jeers and boos. His film about gun violence, Bowling for Columbine, had just picked up the Academy Award for Best Documentary and went on to gross $22 million in North America alone, from an original budget of about $3 million.

Fahrenheit 911 was conceived as a provocative project from the outset. It promises to blow the cover on the cosy connections between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family and show how the White House has only exposed Americans to greater danger, instead of protecting them, since the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon two and a half years ago.

Mel Gibson’s production company, Icon, was originally involved but dropped out this time last year for unknown reasons. (Rumours of political pressure abound in the Moore camp, although Mr Gibson is conservative enough to have political misgivings of his own.)

Miramax then decided to pick up the $6 million production cost on its own. Despite the near-certainty of making a profit on the venture, this was done over the express opposition of Mr Eisner. “Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr Moore’s agent, Ari Emanuel, was quoted saying in the New York Times. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation [in Florida] and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."

Whether or not Florida was a factor, Disney certainly came under pressure from other quarters. Various conservative organisations threatened to boycott Disney, blasting the company, as one right-wing Internet activist put it, “for involving itself with this vile director and his offensive abuse of a national tragedy that is considered sacred to most Americans”.

At the same time, Miramax was bombarded with messages from the other side of the political fence praising the company for its support of Mr Moore.

Miramax would clearly like Disney to distribute the film in the United States, because it would avoid the need to share profits with another company. Miramax appears to have held out some hope that it could bring Mr Eisner around once the film was completed. There is no indication, however, that it was counting on this, or that Mr Eisner has somehow reneged on an earlier promise.

“The only thing that’s new here is in Disney’s reaffirmation of their previously stated position,” one well-placed source said on condition of anonymity. “Miramax never said it was distributing the film, even if people assumed it would find a way.” [My emphasis- ed.]

The source also denied that Fahrenheit 911 was causing any significant personal friction between Mr Eisner and Mr Weinstein, pointing out that they could hardly be getting along worse as it is: “There’s plenty of other issues to have catfights over.”

Mr Moore was not immediately available to answer the charge that he was creating controversy for promotional purposes. He is still at work finalising the print to be shown at Cannes. -- + --



Posted by Marc Cooper on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 10:36 AM | Permalink | Comments (4) | TrackBack (3)
 
If its true that Disney is doing this because they fear losing tax credits from Jeb then I think this sets a terrible precedent. I also think that while its not quite censorship by the govt, it treads the line of extortion.
 
Some interesting thoughts..............

Eisner is harping that the film will cause JEB Bush to recind certain tax credits given to WDW and doesn't want to offend the White House. There have also been allegations that Disney does not want to get into the middle of a political controversy( but apparently it already has!) which would alienate segments of it's customers.

Kill Bill 2, one of the most violent films produced, was in the Disney stable.

Disney has already caused a stir with this and Mr. Moore will no doubt benefit from the media publicity.

I agree, we are all adults and can make up our own mind as to whether to view the film or not or for whom to vote for this fall.

Disney has a contractual agreement with Miramax principals Bob and Harvey Weinstein allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, such as an NC-17 rating or a budget of more than $30-35 million. Neither of which appears to be the case with Mr. Moores latest endeavor.


Too bad Disney who alledgedly instructed Miramax to cancel distribution of the film one year ago, didn't have the moxie to squash the controversy before all this. Another sign of Eisner's failure as a CEO.

Moore has made some important contributions in the past and ruffled alot of neocon feathers which is fine in my book. If I have to put up with Rush and the Bushies, then they should have to deal with Mr. Moore and his film.

Moderate Democrats like myself spend thousands at WDW each year too.
 
But Mr. Moore is not a moderate democrat by any means. And you don't have to put up with Rush any more than a moderate Republican (which I am not) has to put up with Moore.
 
Sadly you have missed my point. I did not state that Moore was a moderate Democrat, I mentioned that I was a moderate Democrat. Whether one actually tunes in to the Rush Limbaugh show or not he is still in the media,whether you view Moore's films or not he is still in the media. So you still have to deal with either one.
 
Sorry I used the word "censorship" -- you're right, it's the incorrect word. I still disagree with Disney's stand -- and I guess I'll have to find that corp HQ address on my own. Thanks anyway.
 











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