Disney Cruises and DVC - Unrealistic?

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Ok the kids are 9 and 7 and we love all things Disney. Recently we have gotten hooked on Disney cruises! :love: Now I have considered DVC before but didn't pull the trigger. What I need to know is how does the conversion to a Disney cruise work? And is it worth purchasing a DVC membership if we want to do cruises regularly? Say every two years... TIA:thumbsup2
 
Ok the kids are 9 and 7 and we love all things Disney. Recently we have gotten hooked on Disney cruises! :love: Now I have considered DVC before but didn't pull the trigger. What I need to know is how does the conversion to a Disney cruise work? And is it worth purchasing a DVC membership if we want to do cruises regularly? Say every two years... TIA:thumbsup2

No...using DVC points for a cruise will be a terrible waste. You ALWAYS do better if you pay cash.
 
DVC's best value is using points for stays at DVC resorts. Points required for Disney cruise began around approximately 110 points per person for the first 2 passengers in oceanview cabin during value season for 3 night cruise in 2008 (plus $95 fee for trading out of DVC system). Usually cash bookings are at a significantly better savings over the 'value' of your points so many members will rent their points and apply that money from renting their points towards paying cruise cash and will have cash leftover as well.

:goodvibes
 
We have converted points for two Disney cruises, but only for part of the total party each time...

1st cruise was me and DW - We used points for one adult and paid cash for the other.

2nd cruise was me, DW, and DS (less than 2yo) - We used points for one adult and our young son, but paid cash for one adult.

I am sure that we could have rented our points for more, but the convenience was key. Booking both on cash and points through MS worked out fine.

This fall we are taking a short 3 day cruise for $299 an adult, a bit less for now 7yo DS. Using points for this trip would have made no sense due to the cheap cost.

I occasionally rent my points, so I am not averse to that, but once in awhile, it just makes things convenient.
 

If you want to cruise every other year, then just buy 1/2 the number of points you need to stay at a DVC resort every other year. Pay cash for the cruises.
 
If you use points for part of your party, how is the cash cost figured for the others? Is it a flat amount, or is it based on the cash cost for that person the day you book? Because depending on how much a particular cruise has gone up in price, points might be worth spending.

Also, can your onboard rebooking 10% discount be applied to your cash guests? For example: can I book DH and I onboard, get the discount, and later pay for our kids with points? Or book 1 adult/1 kid in cash, and 1 adult/1 teen on points? Could I use a TA and get onboard credit?
 
If you use points for part of your party, how is the cash cost figured for the others? Is it a flat amount, or is it based on the cash cost for that person the day you book? Because depending on how much a particular cruise has gone up in price, points might be worth spending.

The cash cost that I paid was the DCL price at the time, quoted by the MS rep.


Also, can your onboard rebooking 10% discount be applied to your cash guests? For example: can I book DH and I onboard, get the discount, and later pay for our kids with points? Or book 1 adult/1 kid in cash, and 1 adult/1 teen on points? Could I use a TA and get onboard credit?

I don't think that this would work, although someone may say differently. I believe that the cash and points would need to be used to make the reservation at the same time, only through MS.
 
If you use points for part of your party, how is the cash cost figured for the others? Is it a flat amount, or is it based on the cash cost for that person the day you book? Because depending on how much a particular cruise has gone up in price, points might be worth spending.

Also, can your onboard rebooking 10% discount be applied to your cash guests? For example: can I book DH and I onboard, get the discount, and later pay for our kids with points? Or book 1 adult/1 kid in cash, and 1 adult/1 teen on points? Could I use a TA and get onboard credit?

Let's see if I can explain this so that it makes sense.:confused3 It's sort of complicated & has different facets on how it all works.

The cash prices for additional guests thru DVC are basically set by DCL. They're not about to lose money on anyone. As you probably already know, DCL has tiered pricing and they raise their prices as time goes on category by category as they sell out. They may not raise ALL categories on the same day - it is dependent on how the categories are selling individually. So when they very first release their itineraries that is THE cheapest time to book and the best deal you will find. Often, travel agencies will buy up blocks of cabins at this first tier pricing - this comes in handy once the itineraries have been for sale for say 6 months and DCL has put out some price increases - you can usually find a better price thru a TA. People THINK the TA is giving them a discount but in reality, they're still just selling cabins that were purchased at a lower fare than what DCL is currently charging. If the TA was out of cabins in the category that you wanted then you would have to pay a higher rate. That's why sometimes people will say they got a Cat 4 thru a TA for less than a Cat 5 directly from DCL - the TA simply still had cabins at the first tier pricing. ANYWAY, thru previous experience DCL knows approx. how much of a % increase they expect to raise a given person (slot) within a category. So they set the DVC cash price at the highest that they expect to go on a normal cash basis from the very beginning. It will not change. So if you're booking on a combination of points & cash the requirement will not change between day #1 and the last day you can book if you book thru DVC.

Real life example: A couple of years ago we were looking to book a DCL with points. In trying to decide on a category, I priced & compared booking a lower category all on points for the 3 of us VERSUS the idea of booking a higher category using a mix of points for DH & myself and paying cash for DS. I compared it to booking all on cash thru DCL so I could get the per person amounts. The cash price for DS's portion as the 3rd person in the room was about $300 higher thru DVC ($1,200) than thru DCL ($900). That's because I was pricing it out in the very, very beginning of the released schedule. DCL expected that the 3rd person fare in that category would go up by about $300 by the sailing date. So they were charging that amount up front via DVC. There was no discount to book early! If I were to check on the same scenario 4 months prior to the sailing date there would not have been a $300 price difference for DS between the two. It would APPEAR to be the same price by then. That's why I said that DCL is not going to lose anything on any pax!!! They just get it up front on this one.

Do you follow that? Does that make sense? In the end, we booked a lower category for all of us on points....however I seriously doubt we'll ever cruise on points again. The point requirements have gone up SO much since we booked that cruise. The same 4 night cruise in July in a Cat. 10 has gone up something like 87 or 89 points or something crazy. IMO that's a lot. We re-booked onboard for the rebooking discount & I suspect that we'll be cash cruisers from now on. Oh, and no, I do not believe you will get credit for a re-booking discount if you re-book onboard and then try to transfer it to DVC.

Finally, taking DVC out of the mix and using a TA to book on cash - yes, you can get an onboard credit with them, but not combing with DVC. If you use anything DVC then you have to book thru DVC. When we re-booked onboard last summer we got whatever onboard credit DCL was giving in addition to the re-booking discount THEN we transfered our ressie to Dreams Unlimited to get their onboard credit too. So we'll have a 10% discount + at least $400 ship credit. Meanwhile, it's all still just a "dummy reservation" that we're pushing further out. We re-booked for Dec 2009 then when the 2010 itineraries were released we pushed it to Dec 2010. We're actually waiting for 2011 or 2012 tho when the new ships arrive - then we'll decide on our itinerary. We now know that the Wonder is going to be permanently moved to LA in 2011 and the first new ship will take over the land / sea packages but they haven't released the itineraries for the Wonder yet. So we're still playing the waiting game. If we want to go on one of the new ships we'll have to wait for the 2nd one in 2012 as we don't want to do the shorter cruises again. If they release an itinerary we like on the Wonder then maybe we'll do that. It's too early to know.
 
Let's see if I can explain this so that it makes sense.:confused3 It's sort of complicated & has different facets on how it all works.

The cash prices for additional guests thru DVC are basically set by DCL. They're not about to lose money on anyone. As you probably already know, DCL has tiered pricing and they raise their prices as time goes on category by category as they sell out. They may not raise ALL categories on the same day - it is dependent on how the categories are selling individually. So when they very first release their itineraries that is THE cheapest time to book and the best deal you will find. Often, travel agencies will buy up blocks of cabins at this first tier pricing - this comes in handy once the itineraries have been for sale for say 6 months and DCL has put out some price increases - you can usually find a better price thru a TA. People THINK the TA is giving them a discount but in reality, they're still just selling cabins that were purchased at a lower fare than what DCL is currently charging. If the TA was out of cabins in the category that you wanted then you would have to pay a higher rate. That's why sometimes people will say they got a Cat 4 thru a TA for less than a Cat 5 directly from DCL - the TA simply still had cabins at the first tier pricing. ANYWAY, thru previous experience DCL knows approx. how much of a % increase they expect to raise a given person (slot) within a category. So they set the DVC cash price at the highest that they expect to go on a normal cash basis from the very beginning. It will not change. So if you're booking on a combination of points & cash the requirement will not change between day #1 and the last day you can book if you book thru DVC.

Real life example: A couple of years ago we were looking to book a DCL with points. In trying to decide on a category, I priced & compared booking a lower category all on points for the 3 of us VERSUS the idea of booking a higher category using a mix of points for DH & myself and paying cash for DS. I compared it to booking all on cash thru DCL so I could get the per person amounts. The cash price for DS's portion as the 3rd person in the room was about $300 higher thru DVC ($1,200) than thru DCL ($900). That's because I was pricing it out in the very, very beginning of the released schedule. DCL expected that the 3rd person fare in that category would go up by about $300 by the sailing date. So they were charging that amount up front via DVC. There was no discount to book early! If I were to check on the same scenario 4 months prior to the sailing date there would not have been a $300 price difference for DS between the two. It would APPEAR to be the same price by then. That's why I said that DCL is not going to lose anything on any pax!!! They just get it up front on this one.

Do you follow that? Does that make sense? In the end, we booked a lower category for all of us on points....however I seriously doubt we'll ever cruise on points again. The point requirements have gone up SO much since we booked that cruise. The same 4 night cruise in July in a Cat. 10 has gone up something like 87 or 89 points or something crazy. IMO that's a lot. We re-booked onboard for the rebooking discount & I suspect that we'll be cash cruisers from now on. Oh, and no, I do not believe you will get credit for a re-booking discount if you re-book onboard and then try to transfer it to DVC.

Finally, taking DVC out of the mix and using a TA to book on cash - yes, you can get an onboard credit with them, but not combing with DVC. If you use anything DVC then you have to book thru DVC. When we re-booked onboard last summer we got whatever onboard credit DCL was giving in addition to the re-booking discount THEN we transfered our ressie to Dreams Unlimited to get their onboard credit too. So we'll have a 10% discount + at least $400 ship credit. Meanwhile, it's all still just a "dummy reservation" that we're pushing further out. We re-booked for Dec 2009 then when the 2010 itineraries were released we pushed it to Dec 2010. We're actually waiting for 2011 or 2012 tho when the new ships arrive - then we'll decide on our itinerary. We now know that the Wonder is going to be permanently moved to LA in 2011 and the first new ship will take over the land / sea packages but they haven't released the itineraries for the Wonder yet. So we're still playing the waiting game. If we want to go on one of the new ships we'll have to wait for the 2nd one in 2012 as we don't want to do the shorter cruises again. If they release an itinerary we like on the Wonder then maybe we'll do that. It's too early to know.
Ok, we are cruising on pts. in May. We will get a point discount on the next cruise we book if we decide within 3 days of disembarkation. Even though the 2011 itineraries aren't out, they will still note the pt. discount in the system. Then I think the CM said we have to call the first day cruises are released to rebook. Sooo....my question is we want to cruise in 2011. Will any of the new ships be doing a 7 day cruise? If not, is it just the Magic for 7 day cruises in 2011?
 
Ok, we are cruising on pts. in May. We will get a point discount on the next cruise we book if we decide within 3 days of disembarkation. Even though the 2011 itineraries aren't out, they will still note the pt. discount in the system. Then I think the CM said we have to call the first day cruises are released to rebook. Sooo....my question is we want to cruise in 2011. Will any of the new ships be doing a 7 day cruise? If not, is it just the Magic for 7 day cruises in 2011?

OK, well, of course nothing's been confirmed by DCL just yet other than they're moving the Wonder to LA in early 2011. It's always possible they will have Magic do the 3/4 night cruises but that doesn't make sense. Why bother doing that when they could just move the Magic. I know of some ppl who have already faxed in requests to inventory control for the next Panama Canal crossing on the Wonder since those usually sell out on the first day. But it's sounding like it might go in January or February so we can't do that 'cuz of school. But I would LOVE to do that. Anyway, if I was a betting woman I'd bet that the Magic will be doing the 7 nighters in the Caribbean in 2011 and the 2nd new ship will come on for longer cruises for 2012. So if you want 7 nights in 2011 you'll either have to go out of LA on the Wonder, do back-to-backs on the new ship like what we did on the Wonder last summer OR you'll have to go on whatever route the Magic is doing. But I could be wrong...details aren't out yet.

All I can say for sure is that it would have to be a pretty darned big point discount for me to use points to cruise again. I'd rather get the 10% cash discount off. Our points are too few & far between to use them that way...
 

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