Disney’s Smoking/Vaping Ban -A different take- Shrewd Business Move or Nefarious Plot? Some of both?

Which people or groups are you ok with being unwelcome at Disney Parks?

  • Might as include anyone living in a trailerpark

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  • Anyone with visible tattoos

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  • People who follow the competition on social media

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I was hoping to debate the possible reasons for this action. No one wants to criticize Disney.



It’s not a ban.
It’s a ban on smoking, Disney bans things and people, no selfie sticks, no drunks, no people who cannot or will not go more than an hour without smoking. Go ask a smoker what they think, will they leave the park every time they need a smoke? When the choice presented most will respond with a resounding no.This comes down to semantics, something that effectively removes something unwanted without actually specifying the target is what is going on, historically this is referred to as “effectively” banning whatever or whoever.
Additionally, claiming a 10 minute walk? I wouldn’t stand behind that. Sure, if you aren’t using a walker, wheelchair or other mobility device and there weren’t any crowds. However you neglect the trip back, which includes security screening. 30 minutes at best, from near the entrance, if you’re lucky.

I have no problem criticizing Disney. Banning selfie sticks is not banning "people" no more than banning smoking in the park is banning people who smoke from going to WDW or DL. It will be a strong deterrent for some and they can make the choice to go elsewhere. They can also come together and lodge a complaint to get the decision changed. You keep using words like removed or banning millions. It is not semantics. No one is banned.

Debating possible reasons without facts means people will simply pipe in with their personal opinions and speculation. Correlation does not imply causation. I have no idea if the smoking ban is a direct goal to attract a higher income bracket, or if it could be an indirect result based on the number of smokers who are upset. Neither do you.
 
I have no problem criticizing Disney. Banning selfie sticks is not banning "people" no more than banning smoking in the park is banning people who smoke from going to WDW or DL. It will be a strong deterrent for some and they can make the choice to go elsewhere. They can also come together and lodge a complaint to get the decision changed. You keep using words like removed or banning millions. It is not semantics. No one is banned.

Debating possible reasons without facts means people will simply pipe in with their personal opinions and speculation. Correlation does not imply causation. I have no idea if the smoking ban is a direct goal to attract a higher income bracket, or if it could be an indirect result based on the number of smokers who are upset. Neither do you.

Thank you for the well thought out reply. You are very correct that it is difficult to debate without facts. I’ve also considered the thought this might be their solution to eliminate or minimize use of 420. Many people in smoking spots use a type of toking, and some of it is similar to vaping.

I’m stunned by how this news has been taken. I believe that if any other group was targeted by banning something they need, there would be an uproar, however, as evidenced here, smokers are somehow less than human and it’s somehow socially acceptable to treat them that way.

Just look at the rationalized idea that out of secure area smoking areas are ok, better than ok, they should be grateful for them, take it or leave it. Not one smoker would agree, not one. But technically it’s supposedly not a ban on the person but the action. Therefore it’s ok.

What if it were breastfeeding? Mothers can go outside the parks to special areas. It’s only a 10 minute walk to, oh, we don’t know yet. This would not fly would it? Same action, different group. Technically both are a need and a choice, so let’s ban formula too just to make it even. Could a mother still enter the park? Yes, but would she be able to enjoy herself knowing that every so often she has to leave the park, do something, then go back through the entire entry process and then go back to where she was? I seriously doubt it, but it would effectively make them unwelcome inside the parks by making it very difficult, if not impossible, to enjoy the parks. I know you think this is absolutely absurd, and I agree, I hope it remains simply a hypothetical, but perhaps if enough people complain about screaming infants, seeing human body parts, and make some outlandish claims, it could happen. (I’m not endorsing this idea, it’s only something to think about, and a different way of seeing the action without the prejudices associated with smoking)

It’s sad to see so little compassion, especially when you consider that the vast majority have been found by the courts not responsible for the initial addiction (Tobacco companies were), which lead to over half of the states to enact smokers rights laws prohibiting employers from punishing and enacting discriminatory policies.

Unfortunately these laws were never turned into broader protections. Then we have been flooded with anti-smoking propaganda funded by taxes on cigarette packs. These were passed to fund research to find better ways to help people quit, and to start education programs that would help lower the amount of new smokers. These programs now just fund scare tactic commercials that are often counterproductive.

Smoking is way down, but instead of celebrating and embracing the reason this happened, then focusing on helping those still addicted to quit, we vilify them, make funny faces at them, call them names, send them away, out of sight and out of smell, then we blame them and put unrealistic expectations on them, and shame them for failing.

What a difference 25 years can make. Victim to villain.
 

By the way you talk about smoking.. why not be the same for Coke or heroin addiction.. why don't we have safe places for them.. sounds silly right ? Mk also has no alcohol or not much.. what about all the alcoholics? Need a shop and space for them to get wasted.. if someone with this addiction in 2019 can't handle the walk outside the park to the space for it than maybe don't go to Disney..
 
All the current DSA's should be changed to frustration areas. They can set up punching bags so when all the smokers have a nic fit they have a place to vent without hurting anyone
 
Sorry, a smoker's "right" to indulge their addiction in shared-air-space, in public, should never be discriminatory against my NEED to breathe. You want to indulge your craving for your personal recreation habit? Partake in private!

Anytime someone's addiction interferes in daily activities (like NOT being able to go places without having to smoke!), that's a dangerous level of addiction, and they need to find a way to curb the behavior.

Oh and breastfeeding IS a protected right in many many places... including Disney, I do believe! And not even a good comparison point to those who choose to partake of their personal addictive habit in public!

to quote you: "What do people tell their kids when Grandma cannot go to the magic kingdom because she’s a smoker or vapes and simply cannot go without as long as required."

uh that's EXACTLY what you tell the kids! Grandma is too addicted to be able to be away from her pack of Marlboro's for longer than 2 hours.
 
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Sorry, a smoker's "right" to indulge their addiction in shared-air-space, in public, should never be discriminatory against my NEED to breathe. You want to indulge your craving for your personal recreation habit? Partake in private!

Anytime someone's addiction interferes in daily activities (like NOT being able to go places without having to smoke!), that's a dangerous level of addiction, and they need to find a way to curb the behavior.

Oh and breastfeeding IS a protected right in many many places... including Disney, I do believe! And not even a good comparison point to those who choose to partake of their personal addictive habit in public!

to quote you: "What do people tell their kids when Grandma cannot go to the magic kingdom because she’s a smoker or vapes and simply cannot go without as long as required."

uh that's EXACTLY what you tell the kids! Grandma is too addicted to be able to be away from her pack of Marlboro's for longer than 2 hours.

This is exactly what scares me about the future. No compassion, no problem making someone into a something, and obviously didn’t read or comprehend just went on the offensive using primarily propaganda information from anti-smoking commercials and personal opinion.

Please read what I wrote before replying. I cannot craft a reply to what is apparently a rant, I think, against smokers? Maybe me? It’s very difficult to tell, but you do seem incensed and I would prefer to understand the reason.


Also, for those joining the discussion please stop saying, “it’s not a ban, or no one has been banned.” It is not helping you or anyone, this has been discussed, I think very thoroughly. Always good to see another point if view but just a statement without justification is not very convincing.
 
By the way you talk about smoking.. why not be the same for Coke or heroin addiction.. why don't we have safe places for them.. sounds silly right ? Mk also has no alcohol or not much.. what about all the alcoholics? Need a shop and space for them to get wasted.. if someone with this addiction in 2019 can't handle the walk outside the park to the space for it than maybe don't go to Disney..

I’m sorry I have a difficult time putting beloved family members in the same space as drug addicts, assuming that you are implying the bad kind who steal and hurt others to better themselves.

These smokers have won court cases against tobacco companies for addicting them. For a lot it was not seen as a choice but part of life. This is not opinion. Smoking used to be commonplace and it’s only very recently that it’s not socially acceptable. Why is this forgotten? Is it inconvenient?
 
Mull on this before attacking or putting unreasonable unrealistic expectations on smokers. Walt Disney was a smoker, it was most likely the cause of his death. He was unable to quit, not for lack of trying, and so hid his habit, and his symptoms.

Of course now I’m going to be mobbed by simply stating what is common knowledge.

It took me 17 years to finally quit, and it was only with the support of my family that I was able to finally conquer that demon habit. That was 10 years ago. This ban does not particularly have any effect on me because I was lucky enough to be able to quit. It is not a simple thing for anyone, please do not trivialize a battle which often ends up in death not life.
 
Mull on this before attacking or putting unreasonable unrealistic expectations on smokers. Walt Disney was a smoker, it was most likely the cause of his death. He was unable to quit, not for lack of trying, and so hid his habit, and his symptoms.

Oh stop, Walt Disney died in 1966. Tons of research has been done regarding smoking since then and the negatives are out there. If you can't quit so be it, but i'm not going to suffer with you because of it.
 
Disney does a lot of things without necessarily explaining their reasons. I do think that if the smokers disagree with this new rule, they should contact Disney with their concerns.
 
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