Disgrace

[dcentity2000]

Leaked papers from Scotland Yard reveal that the Brazilian Jean Charles who was shot dead by armed police in London was pretty much murdered.

He:

• Did not run from police
• Was restrained when shot seven times in the head and again in the torso
• Used his tube ticket to pass through the barriers
• Had initially been sitting on a tube train when armed police grabbed him
• Was not wearing a heavy jacket
• Was shot "executioner style"

This is disgusting.



Rich::

 

[bicker]

I wouldn't put much stock in "leaked papers" until they're definitively authenticated by a universally-recognized authority. There is so much bogus conspiracy thrown around, that it isn't worth trusting any of it.

 

[dcentity2000]

Photographs from the scene verify that he was wearing a light denim jacket and was inside a tube train when shot.



Rich::

 

[ThAnswr]

I guess the biggest question is "why"? None of this makes sense.

 

[dcentity2000]

The documents are the witness statements given to the police. All appear to say pretty much the same thing - no vaulting of gates, no running, a shock when two men with guns appeared, pinned him down, arms across back, and shot him steadily in the head repeatedly.

I'm sorry, but given the sources of these papers it seems more likely that they are truthful, especially when witnesses have been telling this to the papers all along over here.



Rich::

 

[jellymanoffspring]

That is just awful........if it is true. Why would they have done that? It makes no sense............
Why that man out of everyone on the car?

 

[Serena]

That is awful. It's horrible that the stress of fear makes people act like the ones we fear.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

I hope that once the investigation is complete that the entire story is known. The truth is out there... it just needs to be revealed.

 

[Keli]

If this is true why would the police act this way? Every decision people make is for a reason. Police don't just randomly shoot people, they have a reason for doing so. Not always the best of reasons ("I was scared and I reacted out of instinct", or worse reasonings than that but sometimes for very good reasons "He refused to stop and pointed something at us") Right now you have, at best, half a story, I would definitely wait until the whole story is revealed before making a judgement.

 

[jrydberg]

It would be imprudent to rush to judgment based on leaked documents that have not been authenticated. If it does turn out to be the case that he did not run from police, did not jump the barriers and was not wearing a heavy jacket, the police certainly have a lot to answer for. But until the facts are clear, I'll reserve judgment.

 

[Island_Lauri]

If this is true why would the police act this way? Every decision people make is for a reason. Police don't just randomly shoot people, they have a reason for doing so. Not always the best of reasons ("I was scared and I reacted out of instinct", or worse reasonings than that but sometimes for very good reasons "He refused to stop and pointed something at us") Right now you have, at best, half a story, I would definitely wait until the whole story is revealed before making a judgement.

"In February 1999, four New York City policemen searching for a rape suspect knocked on Amadou Diallo's door to question him. When he came to the door he reached inside his jacket, at which point the officers shot at him 41 times, hitting him with 19 bullets. The object Diallo was reaching for turned out to be his wallet."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/aroundthenation/nypd/

 

[dcentity2000]

There seems to be some suggestion amongst the witness accounts that the poor lad might have run a short distance in order to catch the tube train as it was about to leave. However, the distance was a few yards at tops and he was seated when the cops grabbed him. According to witnesses, he was "terrified".

I guess the police thought that he was going to do something terrible and believed that with full conviction because of all the hysteria that surrounds terrorism at the moment. People over here far too readily forget that it was as bad if not worse in the days of the IRA.



Rich::

 

[swilphil]

How very sad.

 

[bicker]

It would be imprudent to rush to judgment based on leaked documents that have not been authenticated.

Precisely. So often so many people are so quick to assign fault, just to get their pound of flesh. As a civilized society, we should act more mature and with a greater sense of justice than those we seek to label as miscreants.

 

[SherryNC]

It would be imprudent to rush to judgment based on leaked documents that have not been authenticated. If it does turn out to be the case that he did not run from police, did not jump the barriers and was not wearing a heavy jacket, the police certainly have a lot to answer for. But until the facts are clear, I'll reserve judgment.

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[dcentity2000]

Precisely. So often so many people are so quick to assign fault, just to get their pound of flesh. As a civilized society, we should act more mature and with a greater sense of justice than those we seek to label as miscreants.

You must remember that:

• This was what the majority of interviewed witnesses told newspapers. A minority said that he vaulted the gates and the rest was told by Scotland Yard. Specifically, witnesses said:
- That he had obviously no bomb on him
- That he was pinned down before being shot
- That his arms were visibly behind him when he was shot
- That there was no commotion upstairs or in the passages
- That the police grabbed him before identifying themselves
• The documents look real and appear genuine. That this is a conspiracy to pervert the rule of law is a little bit far-fetched for my liking.
• So far, leaked documents from the UK have proven true and valuable, with none of any magnitude denied in recent memory.
• The leaked papers also ratify a picture of the man dead, lying inside the tube train with a light blue thin jacket on next to a seat. I won't post that here; you can see it on the BBC website.



Rich::

 

[Chicago526]

Not that I don't beleive you or the leaked reports, but I'd heard the initial reports said he was wearing a HEAVY winter coat and he did run from the cops/soilders (whoever) when told to stop. I too will wait until the leak is authenticated. But it does sound fishy.

If what is in the leaked papers is true, charges should be filled and the family compenstaed (not that $$$ makes it okay, but $$$ is what hurts governments most, that and bad press).

 

[bicker]

Indeed. Besides, there is no constructive purpose to rushing to judgement. It is being investigated. If mob mentality doesn't distort the result, then justice will prevail and the truth will come out, all in good time. Rushing to judgement won't result in a more accurate resolution to the issue, nor will it make people feel better about the process.

 

[dcentity2000]

Reuters have twigged.

LONDON (Reuters) - London's police chief faced acute embarrassment on Wednesday after a leaked report revealed how a series of blunders led to a Brazilian man being shot dead by officers who wrongly thought he was a suicide bomber.

Jean Charles de Menezes was shot eight times by police on an underground train on July 22, the day after four would-be bombers failed in attacks on London's transport system.

A campaign group supporting de Menezes' family said the killing now resembled an illegal execution and called for the police's shoot-to-kill policy to be suspended.

"The police's version has not only been shown to be incorrect but the public were deliberately misled. It's evident we have been told lies and half-truths about how Jean died," Asad Rehman, a spokesman for the group, told Reuters.

Alex Alvez Pereira, de Menezes' cousin, said the officers involved should face murder charges.

"We won't rest until we have justice even if it takes years," he told the London Evening Standard newspaper.

Initial police reports said the Brazilian electrician was dressed suspiciously in a heavy coat, had fled armed officers, vaulted over ticket barriers and run onto a train.

But leaked documents obtained by ITV News said CCTV footage and eyewitness accounts showed he was not wearing a padded jacket which could have concealed a bomb, and walked calmly through the station, even stopping to collect a free newspaper.

Source: Reuters

That murder charges have not been filed is beyond me. We value life more than this over here - what's going on that this man be killed in so crass a blunder?

We now have the following to support the leaked documents:

• CCTV footage
• Crime scene photographs
• Majority of eye-witness accounts



Rich::

 

[Disney Doll]

The documents are the witness statements given to the police. All appear to say pretty much the same thing - no vaulting of gates, no running, a shock when two men with guns appeared, pinned him down, arms across back, and shot him steadily in the head repeatedly.

I'm sorry, but given the sources of these papers it seems more likely that they are truthful, especially when witnesses have been telling this to the papers all along over here.



Rich::

And what are the sources of these papers?????