Disabled accessible Room Rant

I had the opposite happen to me. I had four rooms booked at Pop Century with pool view (what was available with the discounts I had). I then made the request for one of the rooms (for my 82 year old wheelchair bound dad) to be a king bed, handicapped accessible. After that call, I received a call back from Disney saying the only room they had to meet that need was a standard view. I then asked about switching all of us to standard view and was told only one other room could be moved as it was the marathon weekend so the two rooms whose occupants were staying through that weekend couldn't be moved.

Fastforward to check in. All four rooms were moved to accommodate my one request of the handicapped accessible room. All four rooms were standard. Disney went way above and beyond to get things the way I wanted them even during a very busy time.

And the all of these rooms were lower than that pool view so Disney lost a bit of money from doing this. Not quite sure what the OP is talking about.
 
I thought those rooms were also in preferred locations...will be interested to see the answer to this.
People assume the accessible rooms are in the preferred locations, but according to the ADA, the accessible rooms are supposed to be dispersed around the resort, including different views and categories.
So, some might be in the preferred location, others not.
They are allowed to charge more for location (just as they are for other guests who have that location). They are not allowed to charge more for a room in the same location or category just because it has features that make it handicapped accessible.
Actually, that would be considered illegal. They can not charge more for a HA room then they charge for a COMPARABLE non-HA room.

I still stand that the category or view is sold out, thus bumping the OP (and others) to the next rung.
I agree
My guess is because there are no longer any HA rooms that fit your needs in other booking categories. All the HA rooms that are a standard view may already be booked, so all that is left are move expensive views and locations. Disney only has to offer X% of rooms in each category as HA accessible to create equal access.
Also, the number of rooms with roll in showers is smaller than most people probably realize.
The ADA has guidelines for the number of accessible rooms that are required by the size of a hotel/resort.
The numbers include accessible rooms with grab bars and those with roll in showers. For each 100 rooms, they might only have 1 room with a roll in shower. This is from the grid at the ADA website:

number of rooms is lists first, then the number of rooms required to be accessible.
*301 to 400 12 (4 with roll-in showers)
*401 to 500 13 (4 with roll-in showers)
*501 to 1000 2% of all rooms (plus 1 room with a roll-in shower for each 100 rooms)
*1001 and over 20 plus 1 for each 100 over 1000 (plus 1 room with a roll-in shower for each 100 rooms)

Because of the relatively small number of rooms with roll in showers at each resort, and the fact that they are scattered, it is possible that all the roll in shower rooms in a location/view may be booked.

Location in a hotel is not part of the ADA, so if someone feels their disability requires some specific location ( such as close to the lobby), if other guests are charged for that location, the guest with a disability can be charged too.
If there is any extra charge, guests can put it in as a request, but the only way to guarantee it is to pay the up charge for the location.
I recently booked a FD trip online, requesting a roll in shower, and noticed that there are many categories of accessible rooms. At first I did not look carefully and ended up with a room rate that was $550 more than if I had made a different choice. There are upcharges that apply to EVERYONE for king bed and preferred location, also for different views such as standard view ( least costly) up to, at some of the deluxes, MK view. Once the standard rooms are booked, then you will either have to choose a different resort in your category ( value, mod, deluxe, villa) with a preferred view or whatever is left with a roll in shower.

Per ADA, Disney cannot charge more for the same accommodations and accommodations must be available in all room types. Standard rooms are often booked first, and once they are gone, then you have no recourse but to book something else. It's not because you need a roll in shower.
::yes::
The "deal" is when the CM saying the "pretty ridiculous things" is the one who is supposed to meet the need. For example, we travel with a person with a limb difference (no fingers). The CM at the turnstiles said "you need to put your finger on the scanner" the person holds up their hands and shows they don't have fingers. The CM INSISTS no fingers no entry! They were not going to let her in!

In the case of the room, we too have been told "ridiculous" things. We can know the law, we can have "reasonable options for the future", but when you are standing at the front desk talking to the hotel manager (who is the CM saying the stupid things) it is frustrating.
For the finger scan, that is pretty heartless and that CM needs retraining - so getting a supervisor involved is important. And, maybe the only option if the CM at the turnstile is asking for something that is not physically possible.
My DD can't reach the finger scanner from her wheelchair and no one has ever made a fuss about it.

For the unreasonable things at the resort, the manager should know, but if they don't, a complaint higher up the ladder will hopefully help prevent the problem in the future for other guests.
 
I would think the higher room rate for this particular case is because of the location. Maybe it's because of the "view". Water/river views are a bit more expensive.

I stayed at CSR once, and requested a standard view (no water view), and the only room available was a handicapped room, but I was not charged a higher rate than what I was going to be charged for a standard room
 
The "deal" is when the CM saying the "pretty ridiculous things" is the one who is supposed to meet the need. For example, we travel with a person with a limb difference (no fingers). The CM at the turnstiles said "you need to put your finger on the scanner" the person holds up their hands and shows they don't have fingers. The CM INSISTS no fingers no entry! They were not going to let her in!

In the case of the room, we too have been told "ridiculous" things. We can know the law, we can have "reasonable options for the future", but when you are standing at the front desk talking to the hotel manager (who is the CM saying the stupid things) it is frustrating.

Oh my gosh, that's horrible.

Did she eventually get in?
 
I will no longer post on this thread. I told EXACTLY what happened to me - EXACTLY the way it happened.

You can argue among yourselves, but you cannot change WHY I will no longer use the XYZ resort at Disney.

All statements that I made are TRUE. All arguments are RIDICULOUS. No, I did not book at the last minute, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I can read, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I have been to Disney - a LOT - several times a year for the last 20 years. Yes, I am an annual passholder.

How can all of YOU know what happened or what was said to ME better than I can? Your "crystal balls" must be utterly fantastic, because YOU can make them say anything YOU want them to say! :worship:
 
I will no longer post on this thread. I told EXACTLY what happened to me - EXACTLY the way it happened.

You can argue among yourselves, but you cannot change WHY I will no longer use the XYZ resort at Disney.

All statements that I made are TRUE. All arguments are RIDICULOUS. No, I did not book at the last minute, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I can read, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I have been to Disney - a LOT - several times a year for the last 20 years. Yes, I am an annual passholder.

How can all of YOU know what happened or what was said to ME better than I can? Your "crystal balls" must be utterly fantastic, because YOU can make them say anything YOU want them to say! :worship:

If what you say is true, then why did you not do your duty and report it? Or did you?

I for one find it hard to believe that what you say is going on, and no one has reported it. People are so quick to sue, that it is almost impossible that Disney is charging more just because a room is a HC room, and has not been sued. It is way more likely that the room type you wanted was not available, and the CM either didn't explain things very well, or you misinterpreted what you heard. I'm not saying you are lying, I'm saying you are mistaken.
 
Things like grab bars and roll in showers are accomodations that cannot be charged extra for. Things like "close" to pool, bus, elevator, ect are things that are a request or bookable category and can be more expensive than a standard room overlooking the parking lot at the back of the resort.
 
I'm very keenly aware of the ADA requirements at resorts that took place March 15th of this year in compliance with new booking requirements passed down by the Department of Justice.

Essentially, the law requires that ADA rooms be held for Guests needing it until all the other rooms in that booking category have been occupied - then it can be offered to normal guests. To go along with that, the rooms need to be able to be booked by the same methods as a normal guest would - so a call to any special department is no longer required. The rooms can be booked online or through a normal reservationist during their normal operating hours.

What Disney and other hoteliers have done is basically break apart their ADA categories from the rest of their normal categories - keep in mind the law provides for about 4% of all rooms to be ADA in some way and it should be evenly distributed between different categories/views. When a person goes to book, basically they get the real inventory availability for any given ADA room - try it for yourself on disneyworld.com by getting a quote and clicking the box for accessible room. Instead of selling you a normal "standard view" category it will book you into the "standard view, roll in shower, 1 king bed" category instead (yes, this is a totally separate category). Any special promotions, like free dine, if available on the standard view rooms would be available on the ADA standard as well.

In the past, the way Disney managed ADA requests basically was through that special department, using funky processes that were difficult to manage and an unknown sales process. That's not allowed anymore - and their processes and systems have changed to reflect that much.

What's the net result here? Why would rooms appear to cost more?

  • Disney doesn't oversell the ADA categories, as you can imagine that would be nightmare because all these guaranteed requests for accessibility can't be granted on most rooms.
  • So, with that in mind, Disney will provide you options for booking based on ACTUAL ADA rooms avaialble at any given time. If all the standard view ADA rooms are sold out, they will sell you the next category up that has an ADA room in it at the prevailing rate for that category (including the availability of promotion in that higher category if one applies). Selling at the higher category applies even if standard view rooms (non-ada) are available. This is perscribed for and allowed with the DOJ ADA act - which may lead to the perception that ADA rooms cost more, but that's not really the case. You simply are forced to book what is actually available, in this case a higher category, because the hotel has to manage its inventory to know exactly how many ADA rooms they have and guarantee certain features in the room.

It is, in my mind, the fairest way to handle things like this where certain things are guaranteed. You simply book into what's available, and if its in a "better" category then what you would have normally purchased, that's luck of the draw. I know Disney offers ADA rooms in its lowest categories, and as with anything else, these categories book first because of their price. The difference now is, the ADA special-category rooms are held until someone needs them or it's the last room available to reserve - so it's first come, first served.
 
Thank you WavyGravy for your very clear explanation of the new procedures. I did assume from the start it was something along those lines, but your explanation was very helpful.
 
I have read the responses, but thought I would share our experiences just to add to the mix.

In 2008, we had 4 rooms. 3 double occupancy standard rooms at POP, with one HA (roll-in shower) standard room at POP-single occupancy. The HA room was the same price as the other rooms, minus the additional cost of tickets and dining for the 2nd person in the other 3 rooms.

In 2011, we had 3 rooms. 1 double occupancy standard room at POP, 1 single occupancy standard room at POP, and 1 single occupancy HA standard room with roll-in shower. The single occupancy rooms were the same price down to the penny, despite one being HA and the other not. Our room cost more for the second person's tickets and dining.

The person who needs the HA room has made multiple other trips, and this has ALWAYS been her experience.

Anyway...As long as the room category is the same, and the number of occupants and options the same, the prices are the same. CMs do give out incorrect information at times, which is why it is critical that we, as consumers, are educated in our rights (ADA) AND things that can make a difference in cost, such as the categories.
 
The accessible room, like all other rooms, fall in to different categories. When I first booked my June trip at the Pop the only category available with a roll in shower was pool view, which was a bit more expensive then a standard. Not wanting to be in a pool view (more for the noise then the cost) I booked what was available and then started calling back. Sure enough a standard room became available.

I suggest booking the cheapest room you can and call back regularly and see if something cheaper opens up

Good Luck
 
I spoke to the official individual - face to face - at the XYZ resort (which shall remain nameless) last July.

I was told that if I had special needs to be met, then I needed to pay more for this (in the preferred category). I will pay for preferred ONLY if I want preferred, not because a CM told me that I had to pay more for my HC needs.

:thumbsup2

Unless it is different from resort to resort the person you talked to do no know what they are talking about.

Last year (and this) I needed a roll in shower for being 6 weeks post Achilles tendon reconstruction. (having complications currently) and last year I was charged the rate code as all other standard rooms. (the same this year too)
 
Pulled up my dates at the Pop (9 nights in June). Here are the rack rate accessible rooms that are available. Notice in the beginning of the line where it shows different categories...

Standard Room/Hearing Accessible with Visual Alarms and Notifications/2 Double Beds +$0.00
Standard Room/Wheelchair Access with Roll-in Shower/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$0.00
Standard Room/Florida Special Accessible Room/Option for Hearing Accessibility/2 Double Beds +$0.00
Standard Pool View/Wheelchair Access with Roll-in Shower/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed, 1 Double Bed +$50.85
Standard Pool View/Wheelchair Access with Roll-in Shower/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$50.85
Standard Pool View/Hearing Accessible with Visual Alarms and Notifications/1 King Bed +$50.85
Standard Pool View/Florida Special Accessible Room/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$50.85
Standard Pool View/Florida Special Accessible Room/Option for Hearing Accessibility/2 Double Beds +$50.85
Preferred Room/Florida Special Accessible Room/Option for Hearing Accessibility/2 Double Beds +$152.55
Preferred Room/Florida Special Accessible Room/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$152.55
Preferred Room/Hearing Accessible with Visual Alarms and Notifications/2 Double Beds +$152.55
Preferred Room/Hearing Accessible with Visual Alarms and Notifications/1 King Bed +$152.55
Preferred Room/Wheelchair Access with Roll-in Shower/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed, 1 Double Bed +$152.55
Preferred Room/Wheelchair Access with Roll-in Shower/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$152.55
Preferred Pool View/Wheelchair Access with Roll-in Shower/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$203.40
Preferred Pool View/Hearing Accessible with Visual Alarms and Notifications/1 King Bed +$203.40
Preferred Pool View/Florida Special Accessible Room/Option for Hearing Accessibility/1 King Bed +$203.40

Luckily now you can book the accessible rooms online so if ever you think you may have been misinformed you can look it up online.
 
The "deal" is when the CM saying the "pretty ridiculous things" is the one who is supposed to meet the need. For example, we travel with a person with a limb difference (no fingers). The CM at the turnstiles said "you need to put your finger on the scanner" the person holds up their hands and shows they don't have fingers. The CM INSISTS no fingers no entry! They were not going to let her in!
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WOW!!! I would have been so tempted to take off my shoe and have the rest of my party hold me up so I could put a big old stinky toe on the scanner!!!

Sorry this happened. I sure hope y'all reported this CM to someone because that was way beyond wrong!
 
I will no longer post on this thread. I told EXACTLY what happened to me - EXACTLY the way it happened.

You can argue among yourselves, but you cannot change WHY I will no longer use the XYZ resort at Disney.

All statements that I made are TRUE. All arguments are RIDICULOUS. No, I did not book at the last minute, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I can read, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I have been to Disney - a LOT - several times a year for the last 20 years. Yes, I am an annual passholder.

How can all of YOU know what happened or what was said to ME better than I can? Your "crystal balls" must be utterly fantastic, because YOU can make them say anything YOU want them to say! :worship:

:hug:
 
In my experience of booking rooms at WDW there is no difference in price if booking a handicapped accessible room. Your room type may not be available so they would ask if you wanted a different category or resort. They are treated the same as a regular room.
 
Out of curosity I picked a random date in August for 7 nights for 2 A 2 C children. Looked at a value and moderate. HC vs regular both standard view.

Exact same price which is what I was expecting.

Denise in MI
 
I will no longer post on this thread. I told EXACTLY what happened to me - EXACTLY the way it happened.

You can argue among yourselves, but you cannot change WHY I will no longer use the XYZ resort at Disney.

All statements that I made are TRUE. All arguments are RIDICULOUS. No, I did not book at the last minute, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I can read, etc, etc, etc. Yes, I have been to Disney - a LOT - several times a year for the last 20 years. Yes, I am an annual passholder.

How can all of YOU know what happened or what was said to ME better than I can? Your "crystal balls" must be utterly fantastic, because YOU can make them say anything YOU want them to say! :worship:

I'm really curious as to why you refuse to say which resort this happened at. What's the big deal? Why the coded 'XYZ' reference? I should think folks would like to know which resort this happened at so they can check prices themselves and if they have the same experiences as you, they can complain to the proper people. What your claiming happened to you, and im not saying it didnt, is illegal. It should be looked into.
 
The purpose of the coded resort was so we didn't have to get the opinions of all who LOVE a certain resort, no matter what. I felt strongly about the XYZ resort until all of this happened, and would defend that resort, no matter what. I thought I knew EVERYTHING about that resort. I was wrong.

XYZ is CBR. The person my daughter & I spoke to is a female - My daughter & I both forget her name momentarily, but she was a very, very nice person. We have her card, but I can't seem to locate it right now. I have looked.

I am NOT the OP - so I have NO IDEA why all of you have been pouncing on me. I have told all as it happened.

Thank you for listening. Now - please listen, not just read & criticize. Again - thank you for listening. :goodvibes
 
The purpose of the coded resort was so we didn't have to get the opinions of all who LOVE a certain resort, no matter what. I felt strongly about the XYZ resort until all of this happened, and would defend that resort, no matter what. I thought I knew EVERYTHING about that resort. I was wrong.

XYZ is CBR. The person my daughter & I spoke to is a female - My daughter & I both forget her name momentarily, but she was a very, very nice person. We have her card, but I can't seem to locate it right now. I have looked.

I am NOT the OP - so I have NO IDEA why all of you have been pouncing on me. I have told all as it happened.

Thank you for listening. Now - please listen, not just read & criticize. Again - thank you for listening. :goodvibes

I believe fully you were told what you state. I just wonder whether policy is different from resort to resort or the person telling you these things was wrong.

The good thing now is the cost are in black and white on the website. So if you did choose to book on the phone you could check on the website first :)

Take care
 












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