Dis board photo calendar?

[rtphokie]

Anyone interested in a DisBoard Photoboard calendar? I'd be happy to put something together and make it available on CafePress. Another way to share our photos with each other.

Anyone interested in having their photos included would be welcome. I'd put several pages together and put a couple up to a vote or invite others to put some pages together. Perhaps themed pages around a particular attraction, decorations, etc.

What do you guys think? Does this sound interesting? Would you buy a calendar for $14.99 with the understanding that no one here would be making a dime off it (just the base price of the item, nothing added one).

I did this once before with a photo mosaic project on the DCL Cruise board and everyone who participated enjoyed it .

 

[boBQuincy]

I like the idea. Maybe it should include the top 12 photos from the 2006 contests?

I know most of my photos look a lot better printed than they do on DisBoards, after being crunched down to 100KB. I bet most of the others would look really great too, and the calendar would probably be better than any other Disney calendar available.

Would a printing shop print it with all the copyright madness going around these days?

 

[rtphokie]

I like the idea. Maybe it should include the top 12 photos from the 2006 contests?

That's a good idea. Or perhaps each page could include a number of photos and follow some theme, not unlike the photo contests.

Would a printing shop print it with all the copyright madness going around these days?

I was a bit concerned about this as well but we didn't have a problem with this when we put together the Photomosaic from the Disney Cruise Line.

http://www.cafepress.com/dismosaic

 

[klmall]

I love this idea!

 

[Groucho]

A fun idea but I really think that it'd be inviting the wrath of the Disney lawyers.

I doubt Cafepress would notice (too much content going through them) but if Disney decided to see what's out there, I'm sure they'd be able to have it removed.

Of course, you could probably have plenty of calendars go through before they caught wind of it, and I really doubt that they'd go after any of us, but I'd hate to see a bunch of work get done then it removed from Cafepress immediately, if they do notice.

To sum up: I don't know where I stand on this. How's that for assertive?

The other problem is that we're already into January so it's a little late for a 2007 calendar (especially for $15)...?

...just thought of another idea. What about someone taking orders and having "x" number printed up by somewhere else, and whoever's in charge taking care of the mailing? It'd be a bit more work but would remove the uncertainty about Cafepress and would probably be a bit cheaper, too. (I assume - I've never priced what it costs to have your own calendar printed up.)

 

[jann1033]

i didn't vote cause in all honesty i probably wouldn't buy one due to my usual glut of calenders( they are like rabbits in my house ) but i think it's a nice idea for a project...

 

[MICKEY88]

If Disney catches wind of it, they will stop it very quickly..

 

[boBQuincy]

A new approach: everyone pick a month, contributors can make their pages full print size, and someone with a lot of web space can host the files for a time. We will download the files and print them ourselves.

No money changes hands and Disney has nothing to complain about, it's just sharing photos online.

We might even get more than 12 pages and can assemble more than one calendar.

 

[MICKEY88]

A new approach: everyone pick a month, contributors can make their pages full print size, and someone with a lot of web space can host the files for a time. We will download the files and print them ourselves.

No money changes hands and Disney has nothing to complain about, it's just sharing photos online.

We might even get more than 12 pages and can assemble more than one calendar.

it all sounds good but the bottom line is you are still trying to circumnavigate the copyright laws, and do something that will cut into disney's profit on calendars, while it appears great on the surface, you are blatantly doing this on a website monitored by Disney, although technically legal, Disney could be miffed enough to stop cameras from entering the parks...

having dealt with Disney LEgal team in the past regarding the sale ,profit or exchange of PArk Photos, I for one would not feel it worth the risk,

 

[rtphokie]

although technically legal, Disney could be miffed enough to stop cameras from entering the parks...

Wow, that's quite a statement.

having dealt with Disney LEgal team in the past regarding the sale ,profit or exchange of PArk Photos, I for one would not feel it worth the risk,

Care to share some more information about this?

Keep in mind what I'm proposing is not that much different than putting photos up on a photo sharing site that allows prints to be purchased. The photographer earns nothing, the purchase price covers the production and postage for the item.

 

[boBQuincy]

Wow, that's quite a statement.



Care to share some more information about this?

themagicinpixels offers a large selection of WDW prints for sale, and is quite open about it. If Disney wanted to stop someone from selling WDW photos I would think that site would be a lot more attractive to go after than a few camera buffs sharing some photos for free.

 

[MICKEY88]

Wow, that's quite a statement.



Care to share some more information about this?

Keep in mind what I'm proposing is not that much different than putting photos up on a photo sharing site that allows prints to be purchased. The photographer earns nothing, the purchase price covers the production and postage for the item.

back in 2001-2002 my daughter did the college program, I went to visit in October, and took a lot of pics, I made a book of 8x10's for her to get autographed by her fellow castmembers, many of them loved the book and asked if they could buy copies. to avoid any legal problems for myself , or getting my daughter in trouble, I contacted disney legal dept. and explained the situation to them.

they basically told me that I could sell copies to castmembers only, at cost or minimal profit,

they made it quite clear that if I expanded the sales, to anyone other than cast members or sold them at what they believed to be a serious profit, they would prosecute to the full extent of the law..


putting disney photos online for anyone to buy is violation of copyright laws unless you have a release from Disney, yes Disney allows you to take pics inside the park, they do so with an implied understanding that they are for your own personal enjoyment..

will I narc if the calendar plan is carried out...NO

will I participate...NO

just thought I'd share my experience and thoughts on the idea..

 

[Groucho]

The last time this came up, I asked Mickey88 if he had gotten Disney's permission to plaster their copyrighted character all over his car. I never got a response.

Look, this can be a contentious subject - but I can't say that it sounds good to be lectured about copyright infringement by someone who wants you to look at his "Mickey Mobile" or his "Black Pearl". Considering that you can't legally get a Disney tattoo on your own body, I'm pretty sure that custom graphics on your car are out, too.

Anyway, if anyone wants, I'll be happy to host a series of large images for use in a calendar. There's no reason to format them any larger than the original camera size so we wouldn't be looking at huge pictures, anyway. Someone wanting to contribute would just have to crop their photo to the correct dimensions (not sure what they are for a calendar off the top of my head - 4x3?) and do any of the touchup work that they want, but leave it as close to the original resolution as possible.

Does Disney even sell theme park calendars? I don't remember seeing such a thing when I was there, though I admittedly didn't look for them, either. Anyway, I paid $12 for a Disney theme park Uno game, they can cut me a little slack.

 

[MICKEY88]

The last time this came up, I asked Mickey88 if he had gotten Disney's permission to plaster their copyrighted character all over his car. I never got a response.

Look, this can be a contentious subject - but I can't say that it sounds good to be lectured about copyright infringement by someone who wants you to look at his "Mickey Mobile" or his "Black Pearl". Considering that you can't legally get a Disney tattoo on your own body, I'm pretty sure that custom graphics on your car are out, too.

Anyway, if anyone wants, I'll be happy to host a series of large images for use in a calendar. There's no reason to format them any larger than the original camera size so we wouldn't be looking at huge pictures, anyway. Someone wanting to contribute would just have to crop their photo to the correct dimensions (not sure what they are for a calendar off the top of my head - 4x3?) and do any of the touchup work that they want, but leave it as close to the original resolution as possible.

Does Disney even sell theme park calendars? I don't remember seeing such a thing when I was there, though I admittedly didn't look for them, either. Anyway, I paid $12 for a Disney theme park Uno game, they can cut me a little slack.

first of all I'm not lecturing anyone, someone asked if it would cause problems with disney so I replied, second of all I never saw the post you are referencing, lead me back to it and I'll answer it..

you might be pretty sure, but you are not correct, th difference being someone makes a profit doing the tattoos

the difference being I cut the decals myself, therefore no one profited from anything, my car spent 2 weeks in disney parking lots, on more than one occassion I returned to my car at the end of the day, or was stopped on my way into the parking lot, and was told by Disney employees, that it was a nice car, I checked on the legality before doing it, if a graphics shop was selling the decals, they would be prosecuted, because I did it myself, no one profited, disney didn't care, just like they don't care if you make disney crafts for your own use...or make all the calendars you want, of your own pictures for your own use.

I really don't care if the calendaar is done, I was simply sharing my experience and what I was told personally by the Disney legal dept.

next time I get the urge to share factual info with others, I will seek your permission first, that way I can avoid the personal attack...

as far as it being cheaper to have calendars printed elsewhere, if you find a cheaper place I'd be more than happy to have that info, my car club produces an annual calendar and cafe press is the cheapest place they have found thus far, the best price is had by ordering in bulk from cafe press, you get a price breaak, plus a break in shipping costs...

 

[MICKEY88]

Anyway, if anyone wants, I'll be happy to host a series of large images for use in a calendar. There's no reason to format them any larger than the original camera size so we wouldn't be looking at huge pictures, anyway. Someone wanting to contribute would just have to crop their photo to the correct dimensions (not sure what they are for a calendar off the top of my head - 4x3?) and do any of the touchup work that they want, but leave it as close to the original resolution as possible.

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cafepress recommends the following for calendars



200dpi
2300 x 1800

rgb

 

[Groucho]

you might be pretty sure, but you are not correct, th difference being someone makes a profit doing the tattoos

Do you not have photos on your site of your Mickey Mobile at car shows? Every car show I've been to is judged and prizes are awarded. Do you receive any advertising revenue from your web pages? If so, using that as an incitement to visit would count. Disney sells stickers, too, including car ones (we bought a die-cut vinyl sticker for my wife's car on our last trip) - in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some company bought the rights to produce authorized Disney vinyl decals, if we want to go into the "cut into Disney's profit" angle.

And, my understanding is that the profit has nothing to do with the tattoos. Day care centers have been forced to remove homemade Disney murals that were not making them any profit. Tattoos are not allowed whether they're done for profit or not.

Obviously, this doesn't stop countless people from getting Disney tattoos done, and no doubt Disney employees have complimented them on their tattoos just like you have been complimented on your car. However, when it comes right down to it, it's still unauthorized use of a copyrighted character and Disney is notorious for protected the use of those characters very vigorously. Talk to a Disney lawyer and you'll probably hear a different story than a cast member in the parking lot. It's unlikely that they'd ever bother doing anything about it, just like they're not going to start persecuting people with a Mickey tattooed on their leg while they're lying out by the pool...

Anyway, the calendar idea was clearly stated to be done "at cost" with no one profiting (except for Cafepress, who didn't take the pictures), so the profit angle is irrelevant and just confuses the issue. If you feel that doing this for no profit is OK, why have you written the rest of what you've written here?

 

[MICKEY88]

Do you not have photos on your site of your Mickey Mobile at car shows? Every car show I've been to is judged and prizes are awarded.


no profit is made from the making of the decals, entering car shows is the equivalent of entering a disney photo in a photo contest.

Do you receive any advertising revenue from your web pages?




uhhh nope, it's simply a photo storage site...

If so, using that as an incitement to visit would count. Disney sells stickers, too, including car ones (we bought a die-cut vinyl sticker for my wife's car on our last trip) - in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some company bought the rights to produce authorized Disney vinyl decals, if we want to go into the "cut into Disney's profit" angle.

no one "buys the rights" to produce anything disney oriented, at best companies are awarded short term contracts to produce such items...


again I repeat....if a vinyl shop made the graphics and sold them it would be a violation of copyright that disney would be interested in, I cut them myself, therefore the same as any crafter who makes disney themed crafts for their own personal use\\if you go back and read my prior post where I mentioned disney employees, I also mentioned that I checked into the legality before doing it

And, my understanding is that the profit has nothing to do with the tattoos. Day care centers have been forced to remove homemade Disney murals that were not making them any profit. the murals were considerd to be a profit making item, since they were used to attract customersTattoos are not allowed whether they're done for profit or not.

Obviously, this doesn't stop countless people from getting Disney tattoos done, and no doubt Disney employees have complimented them on their tattoos just like you have been complimented on your car. However, when it comes right down to it, it's still unauthorized use of a copyrighted character and Disney is notorious for protected the use of those characters very vigorously. Talk to a Disney lawyer and you'll probably hear a different story than a cast member in the parking lot. again I repeat....if a vinyl shop made the graphics and sold them it would be a violation of copyright that disney would be interested in, I cut them myself, therefore the same as any crafter who makes disney themed crafts for their own personal use\\if you go back and read my prior post where I mentioned disney employees, I also mentioned that I checked into the legality before doing itIt's unlikely that they'd ever bother doing anything about it, just like they're not going to start persecuting people with a Mickey tattooed on their leg while they're lying out by the pool...

Anyway, the calendar idea was clearly stated to be done "at cost" with no one profiting (except for Cafepress, who didn't take the pictures), so the profit angle is irrelevant and just confuses the issue. If you feel that doing this for no profit is OK, why have you written the rest of what you've written here?

as I stated before I initially posted what I did, because someone asked if it would attract trouble from disney, actually it was You who initially stated...

A fun idea but I really think that it'd be inviting the wrath of the Disney lawyers.

I doubt Cafepress would notice (too much content going through them) but if Disney decided to see what's out there, I'm sure they'd be able to have it removed.

Of course, you could probably have plenty of calendars go through before they caught wind of it, and I really doubt that they'd go after any of us, but I'd hate to see a bunch of work get done then it removed from Cafepress immediately, if they do notice.

so I simply backed up what you were saying, then for whatever reason you decided to turn this post into an attack on me.

if you would kindly take the time to re-read my posts you'll see that I've said several times that I did consult disney legal dept, before selling pics and before doing my car. I was not lecturing, merely stating an opinion based on past experience

this reminds me of a similar post on the community board a year or so ago, in which quite a few people tried to kindly warn a cast member not to post negative things on here about disney, the cast member took it as negative posting, just as you are now, weeks later the cast member returned apologizing, because she had indeed been reprimanded by disney, because they do indeed monitor this site..

 

[MarkBarbieri]

Why not just ask Disney if it is OK? I can think of three responses:

1) They could say that it's OK and our problem is solved.
2) They could say that it's not OK and be on sound legal footing to say so, in which case we know not to do it.
3) They could say that it's not OK but not actually be able to prevent us from doing so legally. If that's the case, most people would probably not want to do it anyway as most people here are fans of Disney. Whether they could stop us would be irrelevent; simply not wanting us to do it would suffice.

Non-lawyers arguing about the legality of something is amusing, but it rarely leads to an accurate assessment of law.

 

[rtphokie]

as far as it being cheaper to have calendars printed elsewhere, if you find a cheaper place I'd be more than happy to have that info, my car club produces an annual calendar and cafe press is the cheapest place they have found thus far, the best price is had by ordering in bulk from cafe press, you get a price breaak, plus a break in shipping costs...

I know cafe press produces good quality products. Their printing is good to very good. I wouldn't call it spectacular but for $15 I wouldn't expect spectacular.

Cafepress seems like the right choice for such a project to me because only 20 have indicated that they might buy one. That probably means that no more than 10-15 will actually place the order. I think we might have problems finding a print shop that will do such a short run, do it reasonable well and do it for less that $15 each could be a challenging. I've put a calendar together myself before and produced it locally, it was a pain. I wouldn't want to ask anyone else to do it.

I doubt Disney will have a problem with some chuckleheads from this board putting their photos together in a calendar if this cafepress shop filled with Disney logos, fonts, and trademarked graphics continues to exist:

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/walt+disney+world

 

[mla973]

I think this sounds like a fun idea, but I agree with a previous poster that I've already got all of the calendars that I need for this year. I would contribute photos if you decide to move forward with the project, but probably would not buy a calendar.

What about another photomosaic project? That is something I would not do myself, but would love a poster of the castle or some other Disney "icon" to frame.

Lastly, and I don't really want to jump in or start a debate, but I'm still confused on why you can't take photos in a Disney park and then sell them??? I work in marketing, and I understand that when we purchase stock photos that we can only use them for our own purposes, can't share them, can't use them for personal projects, etc. etc. But how can Disney tell you not to sell photos taken in the parks?

If you took the photos, you own them, right? Does it say in park brochures or is it written anywhere obvious that this is their policy? I just don't see how they can control it. I guess I've never seen Disney photo for sale, per se, somewhere that wasn't Disney or an official Disney site. But if photography is art, then how can they control art that we create???