Did anyone watch Wife Swap? (Gay Couple & Republican Couple)

[ScottieDog]

Very well said Binny!

She was the exact opposite of what Christian's should be and are taught.

I'm fairly familiar with Catholics, but not so much "Christians". I do, however group Bush supporters (party line republicans)….it seems to me that no matter how much you agree with the W on other issue his proposed amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage should be a deal breaker.

However, with poohandpiglets (sp?) comments in mind....one of my most favorite bumper stickers is "Another Man Against Abuse Towards Woman". With that saying in mind are any of the Christians out there doing anything to correct women like the one on that show?

Thank you,
Cathryn~

 

[bunnyfoo]

I think the Christian lady seemed to get really angry after started doing all of the chores I got the feeling that her children and husband did most of the work at her house. I also wonder what she'll say when she sees that her husband took dance lessons at a gay bar.

Her comments at the end were really inappropriate and totally uncalled for. I can't believed that she described the lesbians as depraved. I was disappointed that the husband stayed silent through the whole thing.

 

[ToriLammy]

I thought she was typical of today's christian ~ quick in her judgements of others without ever seeing how her own behavior is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Kind of interesting considering her husband and three children did not behave the same way as the woman but she is typical. Four versus one and yet that's how people see it. I'm not justifying her behavior but to say it is typical of today's Christian is really wrong.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I did not watch this show. But, I too have to say, to the OP, that your negative, judgmental, preconceived generalizations regarding Christians are NO DIFFERENT than the judgmental generalizations made by the Wacko lady on this show. You know, IMHO you just put yourself on her level....

 

[lucky_bunni]

Whatever, Bush voters voted for a man who thinks gay=depraved

 

[Microcell]

I never said you, I do not know you. My opinion is based not just on the people I have met/spoken to, but those who appear in the public eye that represent your viewpoint.

I am not saying all christians are bad or that they should be perfect. I am not. But it is weird that as a non-christian I try to live by the "golden" rule, and that seems to be the rule that most christians tend to toss out the window first.

Now I gotta take offense! I live by the golden rule as a general rule and do onto others. I also do not agree with the lifestyle choices of gay couples. I treat them as human beings though and do not harass or belittle them. I will treat them as fellow human beings, but I will be darned if I will accept and embrace it. Doing unto others is understanding that I do not agree with that lifestyle but still respecting me as a person and at least being civil, not attacking my choice to disagree. I do the same for gay couples. That is how most Christians are in the real world.

 

[shortbun]

I didn't see the show but the thread title was not something I could pass up. the idea is hilarious. does this show really exist? I must catch a rerun!

 

[ScottieDog]

Now I gotta take offense! I live by the golden rule as a general rule and do onto others. I also do not agree with the lifestyle choices of gay couples.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but what do you mean by the lifestyle chices of gay couples? I'm just curious as to what you think we're doing?

I treat them as human beings though and do not harass or belittle them. I will treat them as fellow human beings, but I will be darned if I will accept and embrace it. Doing unto others is understanding that I do not agree with that lifestyle but still respecting me as a person and at least being civil, not attacking my choice to disagree. I do the same for gay couples. That is how most Christians are in the real world.

As to the rest of your post, I'd like to say the following.....not ONE of my gay friends would tell that they decided to be gay. Though some would tell you that they went to great ends to deny to themselvs that they were gay.

For the life of me I can't imagine why folks continue to put forth that Gay is a choice?!?

I have my own thoughts on this, but I'm more interested in what others think.

Thanks,
Cathryn~

 

[PoohnPglet]

but I will be darned if I will accept and embrace it. QUOTE]

But vote for legislation against it. Why do christians think it their place to approve/disapprove in the first place?

 

[pw2pp]

Well I happen to be a Christian and I happen to almost always vote Republican, but I am not at all judgemental.
One of my friends at work happens to be gay and I love him dearly.
It is not my place to judge anyone.

It is people who "paint with a broad brush" and make general statements about certain groups/religions who are being judgemental. IMHO.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

How very strange that ER had a similar storyline last night.

Kerry Weaver finally got to meet her Birth mother, who was very involved with her Church, quoted the Bible, ect. So understandably, Kerry held back in telling her EVERYTHING about herself. She finally decided she wanted her mother to know everything about her. She told her about Sandy, and thet she was a Lesbian.

The mother then did what I believe all stubborn, "there-has- to -be- a -reason -for- it- because- it -is -too- scary -to -think -I -could -of-been- born- that- way -also" people do, and told her she chose to live that way.

PEOPLE..being gay IS NOT A CHOICE. I am Catholic, and yes, once when I was younger, I thought to be gay, it was gross. How could they DO THAT? I grew up. I have gay friends. They are human like you or I. I am not gay, and I want to stand on a roof top and scream to the world that this prejudice against gays is ridiculous. Why can't we live our own lives and let other's live theirs? Don't come back and tell me you are fine with letting gay's live their own lives, but you are against the lifestyle. You want bans on gay marriage and you will fight to get it. That is not letting gays live their life. How does it effect MY life if Joe and Tom want to get married? How does that make my marriage less meaningful? What it does is allow Joe and Tom the same rights that I have with my husband. If Joe gets sick, Tom can make medical decision's for him. Many gays have no family because they have been disowned.

I am Catholic and go to Church. I am raising my kids as Catholics. But I will not teach them that being gay is wrong. I will not fight to ban gay marriage. There are many things I don't agree with the Church on, this is my strongest. Sometimes I wonder if I have a right to call myself Catholic if I disagree with their teachings. If that is the case, I may have to stop going to Church. Let God judge me when it is my time. This is one of the biggest frustrations in my life. I am not even gay, so if I am this frustrated, I can't imagine how a homosexual must feel.

 

[ead79]

I hate to do this but this really bothered me.


Typical of Todays Christian?



Im really sorry if that's what your opinion of Christians is and obviously thats been your experience. I dont pretend to speak for all Christians, but from me, I apologize. Apparently someone has given you a really misguided view of how Christianity is supposed to be. I TRULY hope I dont project that. I have my ideas and my values but I like to think overall that I'm accepting. I may not agree with something but MY relgion teaches to love the person anyway. I really hope thats how I come across.


I have to say that Im very bothered by that generalization. Thats not how the Christians *I* know act either.

Very well said, binny. I am MORTIFIED and DISGUSTED by the way the conservative woman treated the lesbian couple. However, I am also very saddened and angered by the judgment on this thread. To make such sweeping generalities about Christians is just not fair or "tolerant." While I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I have several gay and bisexual friends and coworkers. I would NEVER treat them rudely in any way, nor would I ever call them or consider them to be "depraved." To me we're all the same in the sense that we have all sinned and all need God's forgiveness. I think it is wrong of Christians to single out one particular thing from the Bible and harp on it, all the while ignoring their own actions. It saddens me to think that people will think that the conservative lady represents how Christians feel about or should treat homosexual people. My goodness, I could not have been more offended by her actions/comments!

 

[Pete's Mom]

Kind of interesting considering her husband and three children did not behave the same way as the woman but she is typical. Four versus one and yet that's how people see it. I'm not justifying her behavior but to say it is typical of today's Christian is really wrong.

Well said ToriLammy!

 

[ericamanda01]

What I got from this show was that Chris was the one running her house. Her DH sat back and let her railroad that poor woman with comments such as the sexual predator. A real Christian doesn't judge, doesn't hurt other and is there to help everyone. I looked at my TV and found myself judge Chris and then I just felt sorry for her. She has all this money, diamonds, big house, ect. But she is obviously missing something to be so hostile toward an obvious loving family. Everyone should have the right to be happy and express that. Maybe she should check out this verse: He That Is Without Sin Among You, Let Him First Cast a Stone.

And that applies to everyone here as well!

 

[KimR]

I didn't see the show but I do have a question for those who have said they 'don't agree with the gay lifestyle'. (this is probably a stupid question but I'm going to go ahead and ask it anyway): what exactly do you mean when you say you don't agree with it? Other than being romantically involved with someone of the same sex, how is the gay lifestyle any different from the heterosexual lifestyle? What specifically do you not agree with? I suppose in a sense, I don't 'agree' with it either simply based on the fact that I'm heterosexual, but I'm assuming it goes a little deeper than that. Is is just that you feel it is immoral to have an intimate relationship with somone of the same sex? If so, how do you feel they should live their lives: should they 'pretend' to be straight, possibly marry and live a life that is a sham or should they spend the rest of their lives alone and without a significant other? (I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just want to understand. The only person I know who feels this way is my MIL and we cannot rationally discuss this topic! )

 

[PoohnPglet]

Kind of interesting considering her husband and three children did not behave the same way as the woman but she is typical. Four versus one and yet that's how people see it. I'm not justifying her behavior but to say it is typical of today's Christian is really wrong.

Would that be the same husband that sat there and said NOTHING the entire time his wife was berating those women?

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Very well said, binny. I am MORTIFIED and DISGUSTED by the way the conservative woman treated the lesbian couple. However, I am also very saddened and angered by the judgment on this thread. To make such sweeping generalities about Christians is just not fair or "tolerant." While I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I have several gay and bisexual friends and coworkers. I would NEVER treat them rudely in any way, nor would I ever call them or consider them to be "depraved." To me we're all the same in the sense that we have all sinned and all need God's forgiveness. I think it is wrong of Christians to single out one particular thing from the Bible and harp on it, all the while ignoring their own actions. It saddens me to think that people will think that the conservative lady represents how Christians feel about or should treat homosexual people. My goodness, I could not have been more offended by her actions/comments!

And well said Elisabeth. I was afraid this would be the fall out of that "show." Geez don't you think they knew they would get better ratings if they had someone like Chris on?

I also find it hypocritical that those who are complaining about someone being so judgmental are being so judgmental themselves.

 

[ScottieDog]

How very strange that ER had a similar storyline last night.

Kerry Weaver finally got to meet her Birth mother, who was very involved with her Church, quoted the Bible, ect. So understandably, Kerry held back in telling her EVERYTHING about herself. She finally decided she wanted her mother to know everything about her. She told her about Sandy, and thet she was a Lesbian.

The mother then did what I believe all stubborn, "there-has- to -be- a -reason -for- it- because- it -is -too- scary -to -think -I -could -of-been- born- that- way -also" people do, and told her she chose to live that way.

PEOPLE..being gay IS NOT A CHOICE. I am Catholic, and yes, once when I was younger, I thought to be gay, it was gross. How could they DO THAT? I grew up. I have gay friends. They are human like you or I. I am not gay, and I want to stand on a roof top and scream to the world that this prejudice against gays is ridiculous. Why can't we live our own lives and let other's live theirs? Don't come back and tell me you are fine with letting gay's live their own lives, but you are against the lifestyle. You want bans on gay marriage and you will fight to get it. That is not letting gays live their life. How does it effect MY life if Joe and Tom want to get married? How does that make my marriage less meaningful? What it does is allow Joe and Tom the same rights that I have with my husband. If Joe gets sick, Tom can make medical decision's for him. Many gays have no family because they have been disowned.

I am Catholic and go to Church. I am raising my kids as Catholics. But I will not teach them that being gay is wrong. I will not fight to ban gay marriage. There are many things I don't agree with the Church on, this is my strongest. Sometimes I wonder if I have a right to call myself Catholic if I disagree with their teachings. If that is the case, I may have to stop going to Church. Let God judge me when it is my time. This is one of the biggest frustrations in my life. I am not even gay, so if I am this frustrated, I can't imagine how a homosexual must feel.

Thank you for those wonderful and SANE comments!!!

I'm from MA also and was at all of the State House rallys that were held around the time of the vote. I can tell you that the crowd got pretty tough at times and never have I felt such hate being directed toward me and "my kind". But than there were the folks that came to support us...the law students from Suffolk (which is right down the street actually took shifts!) as well as several divinity school students. Also the representatives from the Unitarian Church were there in FULL FORCE as well as several representatives from area Synagogs.
But the group that I'll never forget was made up of a husband and wife who came with their children and elderly parents. It was just after a child from one of the church groups came up to my friend Jerry to ask if he had AIDS yet?, that I spoted this family...it was then that I knew we'll eventually win this fight. It'll take some but I have to trust that sanity/fairness will always win out.

Thank you again,
Cathryn~

 

[ToriLammy]

Would that be the same husband that sat there and said NOTHING the entire time his wife was berating those women?

The same husband who went to a gay bar for dance lessons, who welcomed the woman into his house and allowed her to interact with his children with no restrictions. Always thought actions spoke louder than words and given the situation at the restuarant maybe he didn't have a chance to speak up. Maybe he was so taken aback by his wife's attack that he didn't know what to say, maybe he is whipped and was afraid of his wife, maybe he did say something but the producers chose not to show it thus feeding the masses "controversial" TV. The fact remains that despite what his wife said, the man and his three children were very nice and respectful of Chris and open to her rules. Again Actions speak louder than words and I think the actions of the husband and the three children basically show true Christian values.

 

[jgmklmhem]

The same husband who went to a gay bar for dance lessons, who welcomed the woman into his house and allowed her to interact with his children with no restrictions. Always thought actions spoke louder than words and given the situation at the restuarant maybe he didn't have a chance to speak up. Maybe he was so taken aback by his wife's attack that he didn't know what to say, maybe he is whipped and was afraid of his wife, maybe he did say something but the producers chose not to show it thus feeding the masses "controversial" TV. The fact remains that despite what his wife said, the man and his three children were very nice and respectful of Chris and open to her rules. Again Actions speak louder than words and I think the actions of the husband and the three children basically show true Christian values.

I just think he was scared to death of his own wife that if he did say something he might get killed later!!!!