Demographic is changing Covid-19

[luvsJack]

Bloomberg news is the most reputable one that I have come across that has shared that in one place.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ng-people-is-it-dangerous-data-show-it-can-be

This? It doesn’t say at what you are saying. It says that it’s WORSE for those with underlying medical conditions but in no way says that all of the younger people who have ended up in ICU have had anything else.

 

[Ben E N]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ng-people-is-it-dangerous-data-show-it-can-be

This? It doesn’t say at what you are saying. It says that it’s WORSE for those with underlying medical conditions but in no way says that all of the younger people who have ended up in ICU have had anything else.

I was actually viewing their quicktake videos that stated that (at a second look, it did state the outlook is much more 'dire' for these sorts of people), but this article is also interesting because that only 28% of people hospitalized were under 40, and also emphasizes that underlying health conditions are what make the cases much more serious.
It also shows how much information differs from day to day, and source to source. None of it should be taken as gospel. I just go around assuming that everyone, including myself, is sick, and I am also trying to stay as healthy as possible through diet and exercise.

 

[Christine]

We have a 44 y/o man, father of two, married that lives in my area hospitalized/on a respirator and going to be put on an "external lung machine" whatever that is. It's very serious for him and no mention that he had any other factors. Heard that on the local news last night.

 

[luvsJack]

I was actually viewing their quicktake videos that stated that (at a second look, it did state the outlook is much more 'dire' for these sorts of people), but this article is also interesting because that only 28% of people hospitalized were under 40, and also emphasizes that underlying health conditions are what make the cases much more serious.
It also shows how much information differs from day to day, and source to source. None of it should be taken as gospel. I just go around assuming that everyone, including myself, is sick, and I am also trying to stay as healthy as possible through diet and exercise.

The patient actually quoted in the article is young and healthy. We don’t need to look at this as only a “sick person” virus no more than we do an “old person” virus. It also mentions children and toddlers being at risk.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Have you guys seen the Instagram video Vanessa Hudgens made where she said her thoughts about the Coronavirus? She's 31 now. She was doing a beauty video on Instagram Live and someone asked her what she thought about the Coronavirus lasting to possibly July.

She said she thought that was such B.S. Like the virus and how it's being handled is interrupting her life. She said, "If everybody gets it, like, people are going to die. Terrible." She shrugs. "But, inevitable?"

She obviously doesn't think it's that terrible, as apparently she must have been hatched out of an egg and doesn't have parents or grandparents she cares about. Or that any of her followers watching will get it, so, oh well, too bad, so sad for those that die.

She doesn't get, no, it's not inevitable. Everyone should not be getting it. People shouldn't get it just so they can then go on with life. There still isn't enough known about this and whether getting it once means one can't get it again. So much for life being interrupted for a short time. (The first person in NYC who got it, got over it, and she was tested again yesterday. She showed absolutely NO signs of the virus in her. The doctors say they need that info to learn how long it stays in the body. But, didn't say if the info was good or bad. As in, can she still get it again as she has no signs of it?)

Vanessa's video went viral and she was BLASTED on social media for her comments. The next day she apologizes. Saying it was taken out of context. Except, those were her only comments on the matter. So it was in context. And she is staying home. And everyone else too. . . Because everyone has been ordered to, NOT because she gets how being out in the world, she could possibly infect others.

Here are the 2 videos. TMZ compiled them together. WARNING: FOUL LANGUAGE! She says bull **** in it at the beginning of the first one. So don't say I didn't warn you. If words like that offend you, stay away from the video.

Vanessa Hudgens videos - WARNING: foul language at beginning

If I told you all the nonsense my mother-in-law spouts (60s) it would take eternity. Seriously my mother-in-law several weeks ago was listening to a YouTube video that said drinking hot water would cure coronavirus and all you need to do is go out in the sun and a bunch of other uttery crap.

I honestly don't much see the point of your comment and I don't mean that in any mean way because that's like cherry picking some evidence to show something that just isn't true.

There are people in every single age group that thinks this is no big deal, that lacks empathy, and so many others. You only have to read the posts from people throughout the various threads loudly complaining about the utter lack of caring their elders have towards this to see it.

 

[SaintsManiac]

yep I’m staying home.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1240650761064845314

 

[erc]

All along I was confused why people were blowing off the risk to young people. All the stats I see indicate teens and 20-somethings have at least a 0.2% death rate. Obviously much lower than older people, but still more than twice as deadly as the flu!

Based on a very small and incomplete set of data.

 

[RamblingMad]

Everyone should do their part to reduce the spread. I’m not surprised that this virus isn’t skipping over people. And my understanding is that mild is equivalent to having the flu. Why would anyone want that?

 

[Ben E N]

The patient actually quoted in the article is young and healthy. We don’t need to look at this as only a “sick person” virus no more than we do an “old person” virus. It also mentions children and toddlers being at risk.

I don't think we should either, and I'm not sure if you thought I was somehow doing that. There are certainly certain demographics who are at greater risk for dying from this, as it releases the cytokine storm which is proving to be so deadly in a greater number of certain groups of people.
I hate that people did the whole "won't hurt me, so I can go to the bars/beaches/parties" not just because they can spread the virus and/or get hurt from it themselves, but also because it has caused just about everything else around me to get shut down in response to the actions of a few. Everybody is at risk to get this virus.
Some will be more negatively affected than others, and it is important for people to know who is most at risk, not so the ones who are less at risk can run around freely, but so that the ones in greater risk know to be that much more cautious.

 

[goodeats]

Or maybe this fake news from the government so young people listen to the quarantine orders?

I kind of agree with Vanessa. At some point it’s survival of the fittest and Darwinism.

 

[DopeyDame]

Based on a very small and incomplete set of data.

Definitely. But that's all we've got right now.

 

[godisney14]

We have a 44 y/o man, father of two, married that lives in my area hospitalized/on a respirator and going to be put on an "external lung machine" whatever that is. It's very serious for him and no mention that he had any other factors. Heard that on the local news last night.

That external lung machine is the ventilator that all doctors here are afraid of being in short supply soon. Costs around $30,000 each, and most rural hospitals only have a couple at most.
If that area where the news is from had ventilator shortage, that 44 y/o man is 100% gone.
And, in Italy, forget ventilators, some smaller places are out of PPE, gloves, and masks for the healthcare workers.

Based on a very small and incomplete set of data.

Small dataset is better to go off of than no data. But, don’t worry, that dataset is growing by the second.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Could this be related to more older people taking it very seriously, while more younger people feel that they are completely invincible? Makes sense to me, and reiterates how we all have to work together to get through this.

Nope. It's sheer numbers. They're 40% of those hospitalized according to the quote from the OP but I checked and they make up about 45% of the population. Meanwhile, people older than 54 represent about 29% of the population but a much greater percentage hospitalized than that. All this shows is that younger people are not as invulnerable as many of our Dis "experts" have claimed them to be. It doesn't show any other conclusion anyone would like to make about that age group not taking it as seriously as others. Maybe they don't. Maybe they do. But this by itself doesn't support conclusions in that regard.

 

[monsterkitty]

Or maybe this fake news from the government so young people listen to the quarantine orders?

I kind of agree with Vanessa. At some point it’s survival of the fittest and Darwinism.

My niece was in High School Musical 2. My niece is the same age and incredibly smart. Going off what she has said of Vanessa, I'm not sure I'd be bragging that you kind of agree with her.

 

[Christine]

That external lung machine is the ventilator that all doctors here are afraid of being in short supply soon. Costs around $30,000 each, and most rural hospitals only have a couple at most.
If that area where the news is from had ventilator shortage, that 44 y/o man is 100% gone.
And, in Italy, forget ventilators, some smaller places are out of PPE, gloves, and masks for the healthcare workers.


Small dataset is better to go off of than no data. But, don’t worry, that dataset is growing by the second.

So what's the difference between the "respirator" and this "ventilator" because they said he was already on a respirator and they wanted to move him to this other piece of equipment.

Edited to add the link to his story (his 9 year old is now positive). https://www.insidenova.com/news/pri...cle_afe5acb2-687a-11ea-aabc-dfb28f9f82f1.html

These stories don't reference the second piece of equipment, only our local news station did. He's apparently on an experimental drug also. Seems he may have picked it up on a visit to New York.

 

[DisneyOma]

The data in the Bloomberg report was so badly presented it would have gotten an F in any science class I've ever taken. The age spans were non-comparable (really 19-50?, one chart lumped 20-44 together, yet the next brackets are all 9 year spans) and just designed to exaggerate their claim.

If you look at the real data, hospitalizations of the 20-44 bracket is lower.

 

[Ben E N]

The data in the Bloomberg report was so badly presented it would have gotten an F in any science class I've ever taken. The age spans were non-comparable (really 19-50?, one chart lumped 20-44 together, yet the next brackets are all 9 year spans) and just designed to exaggerate their claim.

If you look at the real data, hospitalizations of the 20-44 bracket is lower.

The NYT article posted at the start of this thread was even worse - lumping 20-54 year olds together. If you read into it a bit more, 18% of the 38% (they rounded up to 40%) were from 45-54 years old, and only 20% were 20-44, accounting for 12% of ICU visits.
Once again, this does not mean that if you are young you are invincible. This data is pretty obvious. The human body is designed to have a better chance of surviving during the years it can reproduce. Just because someone is younger, it does not mean they cannot be hurt, it just means they have less to worry about than older, sicker people.

 

[godisney14]

So what's the difference between the "respirator" and this "ventilator" because they said he was already on a respirator and they wanted to move him to this other piece of equipment.

Edited to add the link to his story (his 9 year old is now positive). https://www.insidenova.com/news/pri...cle_afe5acb2-687a-11ea-aabc-dfb28f9f82f1.html

These stories don't reference the second piece of equipment, only our local news station did. He's apparently on an experimental drug also. Seems he may have picked it up on a visit to New York.

Don’t see anything about respirator in that link.
But, the news probably got the terminology wrong as they do often with fatality ratios we all hear about.
He was maybe on a positive air pressure machine that forces oxygen into the lungs to make the breathing easier. It’s the apparatus with a plastic mask and a tube.
Mechanical ventilators are negative pressure machines. They physically make a patient’s lungs breathe with a tube inserted into the patient.

The term respirator is supposed to be used in reference to the standard filtering masks.

If a patient gets to the point of needing a ventilator, even if s/he recovers, they will likely live with some amount of reduced lung capacity due to scarring of the tissue.

 

[Christine]

Don’t see anything about respirator in that link.
But, the news probably got the terminology wrong as they do often with fatality ratios we all hear about.
He was maybe on a positive air pressure machine that forces oxygen into the lungs to make the breathing easier. It’s the apparatus with a plastic mask and a tube.
Mechanical ventilators are negative pressure machines. They physically make a patient’s lungs breathe with a tube inserted into the patient.

The term respirator is supposed to be used in reference to the standard filtering masks.

Yeah, it's hard to tell. The news said he was first on respirator and then he was going on an external lung machine. The link posted is an update to a previous story on him which identifies his daughter as positive. That initial story is embedded in the second story and they discuss the respirator and then the drug. So maybe they just got it mixed up.

 

[Miffy]

Besides the risks to young people or any people, many many asymptomatic people are carriers. This is one of the main avenues for the spread of the disease. People of every age have to care about this.