DEBATE: The difference in philosophy

[BRERALEX]

There's a reason there is a "Quoteable Walt Disney" and not a "Quoteable Michael Eisner".

swear i was gonna say that as i was staring at my copy of the quotes book but thought nah too easy. darnit!

 

[raidermatt]

Nah, I took the easy way out. Your "pimpin" comment took much more effort!

 

[Cricket2]

I think that was the "revised fifth edition", which also went straight to video and Disney DVD:

JC

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Oh come on!

There you go again, Peter!!! Spouting off, condemning, criticizing and being plain old ornery without giving us your own views. I'm still waiting for you to tell us all what your thoughts on their philosophies are.

Still thinking it over? Good!! Take as much time as you need. Think it over carefully. I'll bet it will change the DIS community forever once you let us in on it!!! Heck!! It might even thaw out that frozen one!! Before you know it, we won't have anything to talk about except where to go for dinner!!!

But something tells me I shouldn’t hold my breath!!

Originally posted by Mr. J. Cricket
I think that was the "revised fifth edition", which also went straight to video and Disney DVD:

JC

WONDERFUL!!!!!

 

[SnackyStacky]

How could a man who, in efforts to realize his own dreams, went bankrupt COUNTLESS times before finding success use money as a bottom line? That doesn't make any sense. If he did, the first time he went bankrupt, he would have given up and did something lucrative yet completely unfulfilling.

He may very well have wanted money out of the realization of his dreams, but after all, who doesn't? Who doesn't want to leave a hearty nest-egg for their kids, grandkids, and any number of descendants to follow?

I'm not sure that there is enough understanding for what an artist feels. And let's face it, when all is said and done, Walt is an artist. An artist will go through ANYTHING to realize a dream. And while money is usually a byproduct of the realization of that dream, it is NOT the driving force.

This isn't something that's easy to explain to anybody that doesn't have a dream like that. When you hear a singer say "All I can do is sing.", or an actor say "All I can do is act.", it's not some cliché, horrible expression. It is the truth, and it comes from the heart. It doesn't mean that acting, or singing, or drawing or [insert art form here] is the only thing that the artist is capable of, it means that that is the only thing that they can do to be happy. They could easily take some office job, but be completely miserable. And when they look back after retiring from that office job, even if there are BILLIONS sitting in the bank, saying "I wasted my life. I accomplished nothing". It is the worst fear of an artist.

I can say this with some of the strongest convictions I've ever held for ANYTHING because I am there. I'm a singer, and the only thing I can do is sing. I won't get into specifics about exactly what I've given up, but I've given up a lot to be where I am. The paycheck I bring home is because I work my butt off as an ARTIST.

And the thought that I will have worked my whole life, to build something up, to have somebody come in, take it over, and focus on MONEY using MY NAME makes me sick to my stomach.

People have used different examples of things to show one side of Walt, and others have come along and said that it was due to his ego, or some other feeble excuse.

Walt's name was on his product, and it was his dream. Be it a movie, a theme park, a city of tomorrow...it was all HIS. And if it was his, then he wanted to make sure that his dream, his work were to his standard; to the quality that he deemed appropriate, and if that meant a strain on the budget, then that meant a strain on the budget. It didn't matter, because it was his DREAM.

I see absolutely none of that with Eisner. So there are some road signs. So there are some fountains. So WHAT?!?! There is NOTHING that has been accomplished by the hand of Eisner that tells me he can relate to that artist's feeling.

Would Walt have purchased cable networks? Maybe. He very well may have. But you can rest assured, that he would have made sure it was quality. Tell me where the quality, the vision, and the art are in running Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? four times a week until people are so sick of it that it is cancelled.

Walt very well may have ventured into internet services had he lived to see the internet. But it would have been quality. The only reason I can see that Go.com was bought is because of the boom of the .com's. And Eisner wanted a piece of that multi-billion dollar pie. But the pie overheated and blew up in his face.

Eisner, even if his motive isn't profit, has it all backward. The visionary should be head of the company. The finance people should be next. Eisner ain't no visionary.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

This isn't something that's easy to explain to anybody that doesn't have a dream like that.

Yeah!! I know the feeling!! I've tried my best to explain it to Mr. Kidds and he just doesn't get it!!!!

 

[BRERALEX]

Tell me where the quality, the vision, and the art are in running Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? four times a week until people are so sick of it that it is cancelled.

drew carey complained about this on Howard Stern last week relating to his own show saying that the ratings suffers because he is on TOO much.

Nah, I took the easy way out. Your "pimpin" comment took much more effort!

and look at the wand above Spaceship Earth {pimp stick}
selling out the brand at every turn

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Originally posted by BRERALEX
and look at the wand above Spaceship Earth {pimp stick}
selling out the brand at every turn

Yep!! Isn't it funny the way the different cars look at things? It seems as though I remember having this discussion with others who point to this sign as added magic. And yet, without ever really knowing Sir ALEX's take on it, I knew he would HATE it!! And he does!! I'll bet Sir Raider does as well!! And Scoop, Peter and Mr. Kidds either don’t care or may even like it!!

I don't think it's anything you can really put into words. It's more or less a feeling... an impression that attacks you the moment you see it! It just FEELS wrong!!

Hmmmmm. And after thinking about it for quite some time I think I know why.

JUST CAUSE IT IS!!!!

 

[raidermatt]

You know, you'll probably want to beat me with that wand for saying this, but I have trouble with that one...

I definitely don't like "Epcot" being up there. That's an insult to my intelligence (what limited amount there may be...). It would be like putting a "Magic Kingdom" sign on Cinderella's castle, or "Animal Kingdom" on the Tree of Life.

Duh!

But the wand with the stars.... its like I know it shouldn't be there, and I wouldn't have a problem if it went away, but I also can't hate it.

I guess its just one of those guilty pleasures... (Even though its only a "sort of" pleasure, if that makes any sense)

I know it doesn't fit with the concept of the park, and especially Spaceship Earth. I know the right thing to do is to take it down, and I realize the motiviation behind it is faulty. But still, I just can't get too angry about it... at least until I see the Epcot part.


Note: Edited for worse grammer than I usually spew out...

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

I know it doesn't fit with the concept of the park, and especially Spaceship Earth.

That's all I meant. Lord knows we all have guilty pleasures!! But it's that 'feeling' I'm talking about. That sense of "Disney". That sense of right and wrong!

 

[aalan]

for me, its very simple:

disney was an artist, a creative person with a vision. that's what drove him. i think he was aware of costs and money, but that was really roy's problem. walt understood "magic," no matter what the cost. i am an artist (painting, drawing, computer graphics), and its just a different point of view on life. pushing ahead, creating something NEW and different was what excited walt. he would be APALLED at the travisty that is called epcot. (another debate, i know, just mho)

ei$ner is a money man. this is all he really understands. he does not have a creative bone in his body and has little vision. its all about the bottom line. wells and katzenburg and ei$ner were a decent team, but without the other two, ei$ner is lost and has outlived his usefulness. he cant wait to collect his stock options. seeing a profitable bottom line is what ei$ney gets excited about, never mind that it got made by cutting shows, cutting hours, taking away ee, etc, while 2 half parks remain open and the other two parks havent even been seriously upgraded in any way in years...(hopefully ms is as good as it promises)

it wont be an easy person to find, but disney needs a creative visionary to replace the bumbling ei$ner a.s.a.p.

 

[SnackyStacky]

he would be APALLED at the travisty that is called epcot.

Definitely a different debate, but I just had to say that maybe he would have, but the vision he had for it, I believe, could have only been realized by him. I think that the Imagineers did a good job, and made it the best they could without Walt's vision and guidance.