Debate: Giuliani for VP?

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Giuliani to replace
Cheney on ticket?
Bush camp considers switch leading to NYC convention

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Posted: June 9, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Joseph Farah
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com



Rudy Giuliani

WASHINGTON – There are whispers among high-level political advisers to President Bush suggesting the possibility of replacing Dick Cheney with former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as the vice presidential running mate prior to the Republican National Convention in New York beginning Aug. 30.

Cheney, who has no aspirations to run for president in 2008 and has had well-publicized heart problems, has been involved in the discussions and is open to the idea if it strengthens the ticket and helps position a viable Republican candidate to succeed Bush, sources tell WND.

Originally, Cheney was asked by Bush to lead the effort to find the best running mate in 2000. After months of interviews and offering advice, Bush surprised many by picking Cheney.

Giuliani, as well as New York Gov. George Pataki, has been expected to play a starring role at the convention. Both are also considered possible presidential candidates in 2008. Securing the vice presidential nomination, however, would instantly make Giuliani the front-runner among all potential Republican candidates.

"There is some thinking at the very highest political levels that this move could add some late sizzle to the campaign, steal any thunder generated by the Democrats in Boston and even potentially put the state of New York in play for the president," said one source close to both Giuliani and the White House.

No one is talking on the record, and the plan is not yet set in stone.

So far, the only people who have speculated publicly about such a move are Democrats.

"They'll probably play Rudy heavier than any other part of the convention," former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo told the Associated Press last week. "So Rudy will go up and people will start talking about him replacing Cheney or him running for president. It'll be very, very good for Rudy."

Giuliani became a national star in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks that brought down the World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people. He became known as "America's mayor."

"They'll make the most of 9-11, the most of Rudy," Cuomo said. "He is now still iconic, you saw that in 9-11 and that's it," the Democrat added. "He's received a stature which is, for the time being, absolutely unshakable."

Giuliani has said he may return to elective politics as early as 2006 by running either for governor, should Pataki call it quits after three terms, or for U.S. Senate against Democratic incumbent Hillary Rodham Clinton. In the face of prostate cancer, Giuliani withdrew from the 2000 Senate race won by Clinton.

By beating Clinton in 2006, Giuliani would not only position himself as a leading candidate for president in 2008, he would have eliminated the Democrats’ No. 1 contender. But it's a risky proposition for Giuliani. If he can't topple the popular Democratic incumbent, his chances of becoming president, or even winning the nomination in 2008, would be slim indeed.

There is little love lost between Pataki and Giuliani. Giuliani angered many Republicans in 1994 when he crossed party lines to endorse Cuomo's bid for a fourth term. Pataki beat Cuomo in that election.

The only potential political danger in replacing Cheney with Giuliani, said a source close to Bush, is that it would create problems with the president's right flank. Giuliani is widely perceived as less conservative than Cheney, and by elevating him to front-runner in 2008, Bush could anger many conservatives.

Giuliani is also being considered as a replacement for George Tenet as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. However, Bush appears to be in no rush to fill that slot. It's possible, one source said, it could be held open for Cheney.

Wouldn't that create quite a stir? I am looking ahead to 2008 when, assuming Bush is re-elected, Giuliani takes on Hillary for the Presidency. If I'm a Republican looking ahead on how to strategize and keep the p[olitical edge, this move would make some sense. I say it's a go.
 
Rudy doesn't play well outside of NYC. I don't think he has the clout to add to the ticket.

besides, he has his own health problems.
 
I don't know...I'm not sure conservative republicans could get over the fact that he cheated on his wife (while in office) and is divorced.
 

His health problems appear to be behind him (prostate cancer). BTW, in my experience, he plays *very* well outside NYC. He's a Republican, but one who's not afraid to speak up when he thinks the Republicans are wrong on something.
 
he's a moderate Republican, his politics won't mess well with the President's conservativism.
 
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Originally posted by Sirius
I don't know...I'm not sure conservative republicans could get over the fact that he cheated on his wife (while in office) and is divorced.

before he became such a hero on 9/11, his reputtion in NYC was...well, dictatorial and lacking in compassion.
 
Originally posted by Briar Rose 7457
Rudy doesn't play well outside of NYC. I don't think he has the clout to add to the ticket.


He plays VERY well here in Buffalo. ::yes::
 
He's a Republican, but one who's not afraid to speak up when he thinks the Republicans are wrong on something.

That's exactly why he wouldn't fit well on the ticket. They aren't looking for anyone to question what they do.

Since a politician's personal behavior/morals seem very important to conservatives, I doubt Rudy would be their first choice.
 
Originally posted by Sirius
I don't know...I'm not sure conservative republicans could get over the fact that he cheated on his wife (while in office) and is divorced.

Um, Ronald Reagan was divorced and later remarried a woman he loved dearly. I don't think most republicans really bat an eye at divorce anymore. Most mature adults realize that sometimes arrangements between two people do not work out.

I have one gripe with Giuliani - he would not overturn archaic legislature which made the keeping of domestic pet ferrets illegal in NYC.

Domestic ferrets are essentially, long, slinky, housecats. They are no more wild animal than a labrador retriever or a kitten. The fact that lots of people in NYC rallied for this law to be overturned so that they could keep their beloved pets and he ignored it, makes me wonder how much he really researches issues before deciding on that. He could have spent 5 minutes looking at the ferrets association web sites and made the right choice but he didn't, and as someone who has had pet ferrets her whole life, I have a hard time forgiving him for not fixing it when he could have, very easily.

Maybe it seems like a small thing to some, but to me and lots of other pet owners, it was not. ANY clear thinking person who looked at the facts would see that ferrets are harmless domestic pets. He either looked at the facts and didn't "get it" or worse, didn't bother looking at the facts at all.

To me that plays into everything else he will make decisions on.

He DID handle the big situations well. But one has to look at the smaller issues as well.

I'd rather see him in office than Hillary though. Hillary scares me. Any woman who would stay with a man who treated her the way Bill Clinton treated her does not have my respect.
 
Rudy's real strengths are mobsters and squeegee men. he has no experience with foreign policy or the armed services. he has limited federal government experience as US attorney.

if he had run against Hillary for senate, he might have won the election.


but he doesn't bring enough to the national ticket.
 
Esmeralda, Reagan divorced Jane Wyman and then met and married Nancy. very different from what Rudy did --

he carried on an affair with Judy Nathan while living in Gracie Mansion with his wife, donna Hanover (and Donna was his second wife, by the way). he humiliated his wife and children in a very messy public divorce battle.

being divorced isn't a crime -- having an affair while married, well...people are less fogiving of that.
 
Um, Ronald Reagan was divorced and later remarried a woman he loved dearly. I don't think most republicans really bat an eye at divorce anymore. Most mature adults realize that sometimes arrangements between two people do not work out.

Huge difference between getting a divorce and cheating on one's wife, particularly while in office, in my opinion. I was once told by the director of a large corporation that no boss ever trusts a man who has cheated on his wife. If they will cheat on the one person they swore not to, then what else would they do? They are obviously people who, given the right motivation, will lie and cheat and do what it takes to get what they want. I imagine a lot of people might feel the same way about a candidate.
 
I was prepared to vote for him for Senate - but alas, he didn't run.:(

So far Hillary has done absolutely nothing for this state as far as I can tell. Schumer has accomplished quite a bit - that's a Democrat I can support wholeheartedly.:D
 
Originally posted by Briar Rose 7457
Esmeralda, Reagan divorced Jane Wyman and then met and married Nancy. very different from what Rudy did --

he carried on an affair with Judy Nathan while living in Gracie Mansion with his wife, donna Hanover (and Donna was his second wife, by the way). he humiliated his wife and children in a very messy public divorce battle.

being divorced isn't a crime -- having an affair while married, well...people are less fogiving of that.

People forgave Bill Clinton.

Of course, he was not a republican, but I think the American people should hold everyone to the same standards.

I don't know. I don't really like Rudy. I want to because of 9/11 and what he did to clean up crime in NYC. But I just can't get over the stuff from my prior post. Such a small thing that his signature on a bill could have fixed. (Ferrets are legal everywhere in NY except NYC, to the best of my knowledge).
 
with a conservative president who is very public about his faith and who ran on a program of bringing back honor to the White House in light of Clinton's pecadillos, Rudy's extramarital affair won't play well.

here in NY, where Republicans tend to be moderates anyhow,
the Judy Nathan scandal will be less important to Rudy's electablity should he choose to run for state office.
 
Originally posted by EsmeraldaX
People forgave Bill Clinton.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Who? Heck, someone brought up Monica on these boards just yesterday.
 
People forgave Bill Clinton.

They did???? I don't know too many Republicans, conservative or not, that forgave President Clinton. To this very day, they just can't let it go.

If the reaction to President Clinton is any example, conservatives are extremely unforgiving as far as personal behavior is concerned. Since they are the base of the Republican party, I would think Rudy's infidelity, then divorcing his wife to marry his mistress would matter to them a great deal.
 














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